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 stubacca wrote:

PomWallaby wrote:

 stubacca wrote:
To be fair UK backers had access to AvP at Cons before US backers.

Agreed, in fact this was the 1st time in several years I didn't go to Expo. 700 Uk backers after only 50 copies, I didn't fancy my chances. A friend went but I didn't want him put out lugging the box around. Ultimately I thought picking up from Expo was a bit of a gimmick as we were expecting the game to be dispatched shortly after.

ah, man. I derped and misquoted you by accident, sorry!

Some dude earlier said it was a choice that UK backers didn't pick it up at a con but, as you said, 700 compared to 50 + the expense of getting down to London. It wasn't much of a choice

Anybody mad enough to travel to Expo specifically to pick up their game was simply crazy, and likely wasted their journey. I got there 10 minutes after the place opened on the Saturday and I was lucky enough to pick up box number 50. The queue of disappointed backers behind me was 20 deep, and by all accounts Prodos spent most of the day turning people away.

Big Jim wrote:
Well I have received a shipping notification from Prodos for my Kickstarter order. Let see if it's as swift as buying direct from them.

More than happy to eat humble pie as and when it arrives.

Although I have updated my complaint with his, until this Kickstarter is actually delivered in full, it'll remain open as a watching brief.

So the trend for backers so far is to kick up a fuss and make themselves an pain in the bum and they will send stuff out to keep the peace ...while everyone else .... hope you get your stuff .

I've kicked up a fuss with them before and received no special treatment.

 CURNOW wrote:

Big Jim wrote:
Well I have received a shipping notification from Prodos for my Kickstarter order. Let see if it's as swift as buying direct from them.

More than happy to eat humble pie as and when it arrives.

Although I have updated my complaint with his, until this Kickstarter is actually delivered in full, it'll remain open as a watching brief.

So the trend for backers so far is to kick up a fuss and make themselves an pain in the bum and they will send stuff out to keep the peace ...while everyone else .... hope you get your stuff .

That really is taking conspiracy theory to an extreme.


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BTW - lots of reports of shipping notifications today and yesterday throughout Europe but also including in the US, and even as far afield as NZ It does appear that they are finally getting themselves organised.

Glad to hear about the shipping notifications going out. I would really love to get one as well. Although, I do know that living in Canada puts me pretty low on their priority list.

Being a backer puts you pretty low on their priority list.

 CptJake wrote:
Being a backer puts you pretty low on their priority list.

Oh snap!

 CptJake wrote:
Being a backer puts you pretty low on their priority list.

Fair enough I'm heading to Florida for a couple of weeks mid September so I would really like to have it before then, just so I don't have to worry about it whilst on vacation.

For anyone looking for some solid infected bases for their set, Secret Weapon makes one that I think is pretty perfect:



I'm going to mix them with the regular set:



to make a nice mixture of infected and non-infected.

Those do look nice. I think the plastic bases from Sedition Wars would be really good for this game too. And since you can pick up copies dirt cheap you get the bases at a very reasonable price. You may be able to use the tiles for AVP as well.

 CptJake wrote:
Those do look nice. I think the plastic bases from Sedition Wars would be really good for this game too. And since you can pick up copies dirt cheap you get the bases at a very reasonable price. You may be able to use the tiles for AVP as well.

I thought the same. They do look good, but I'll admit I simply don't have the patience to sculpt any of the "alien creep" on them.

If you're not concerned with that, I think they'll be great!

My brother was over last night and was asking where the cocooned bodies were....I may have to figure that out as an objective or something. Maybe a 40mm with a cocooned body and an alien egg in front of it?

I would probably use a square base. It would fit better up against 3D walls or tile edges (and be different from round bases with playable figures on them).

Maybe get a couple short lengths of plastruct I-Beam in a size you think appropriate, set a couple two inch or so lengths up from the base, add a piece of plastic card between them as a base for your green stuff 'alien weirdness' with a spare head and maybe an arm sticking out. Egg(s) in front would make it look pretty cool.

As for making such a thing ...
Eggs can be found.
The body, all you really need is a head, the rest of the body can be pretty obscure due to cocoon.

 Grumpae wrote:
Glad to hear about the shipping notifications going out. I would really love to get one as well. Although, I do know that living in Canada puts me pretty low on their priority list.

if I understand things correctly, all the Americas stuff has been shipped to Ninja Division (Soda Pop) who are distributing from the US, so your wait shouldn't be too long now - they have something like 4-500 to send out. At least it's already on the right side of the pond.


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re bases - a lot of backers have gone with the Sulaco, Arc and Hive tiles from Fenris Games. They seem pretty much a perfect match.

IMHO, the SW bases, while cool, are not quite the right design - they look too high tech (more Infinity than grungy mining/research station)

Fenris Games bases and tiles for me:

Sulaco Bases:



Sulaco: Hive Bases:



and Tiles



All sitting in a box in the corner since Salute - all I need now is Prodos to ship the fething game out.

biggusdoggus wrote:


IMHO, the SW bases, while cool, are not quite the right design - they look too high tech (more Infinity than grungy mining/research station)

Mine are painted as if rusty and old.

 Alex C wrote:
Just watched another playthrough.

God, these rules are terrible.

The environmental effects and door mechanics are junk, Marines die too easily, Preds are waaaayyyy OP, and so on and so on...

Seriously considering getting Genesha Games' "Swatters" ruleset to play this with. Sounds miles better while being 10x less complicated.

Age of Sigmar, perhaps?

One could do worse...

I am very seriously thinking of adapting the core AoS engine to the various miniature collections that have minis I like, but gakky rules that I can't stand. This way, I can just focus on the things that matter, rather than nonsense and minutiae. Not Heavy Gear comes to mind, along with the stalled Not Car Wars project I was fiddling with. Not Sedition Wars, too.

I wonder if GW would consider Open Sourcing or Licensing the AoS engine to other OEMs, like WotC did with d20 OGL. Hmm...

You wonder if GW would...open source something?

You don't *really* wonder that, do you?

 Alpharius wrote:
You wonder if GW would...open source something?

You don't *really* wonder that, do you?

... or License.


The AoS engine is 2 pages (subtracting the magical Terrain, extra deployment and Sudden Death options), and easily adapted. As a board game engine, it does basically everything you need. Then, tack on the 2 pages of AvP stuff. Or Car Wars stuff. Or whatever. Being forced to tighten to the true core is a good thing.

 CptJake wrote:
Those do look nice. I think the plastic bases from Sedition Wars would be really good for this game too. And since you can pick up copies dirt cheap you get the bases at a very reasonable price. You may be able to use the tiles for AVP as well.

I don't think i could stand to use the sedition wars bases even though i have 100+ of them .the painful memory of what could of been coupled with the rubbish experience of the avp kickstarter would be too much ! fenris for me I've got some of the larger bases for vehicles and they are great quality.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
You wonder if GW would...open source something?

You don't *really* wonder that, do you?

... or License.


The AoS engine is 2 pages (subtracting the magical Terrain, extra deployment and Sudden Death options), and easily adapted. As a board game engine, it does basically everything you need. Then, tack on the 2 pages of AvP stuff. Or Car Wars stuff. Or whatever. Being forced to tighten to the true core is a good thing.

GW saying, ever, to basically play their games with other people's models?

That is so far from their current business model and stated goals to be...impossible!

 Alpharius wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
You wonder if GW would...open source something?

You don't *really* wonder that, do you?

... or License.


The AoS engine is 2 pages (subtracting the magical Terrain, extra deployment and Sudden Death options), and easily adapted. As a board game engine, it does basically everything you need. Then, tack on the 2 pages of AvP stuff. Or Car Wars stuff. Or whatever. Being forced to tighten to the true core is a good thing.

GW saying, ever, to basically play their games with other people's models?

That is so far from their current business model and stated goals to be...impossible!

GW licenses their IP all the time, so I don't see why they wouldn't take a few bucks for the generic "Age of X". After all, it wouldn't be Warhammer or Sigmar or any of that IP. Just the engine that defines model action on the tabletop / board.

Licensing their IP vs. 'Play Our Game But Don't Buy Our Models'?

Yeah...no.

It is so far fetched that it seems...slightly trollish.

 Alpharius wrote:
Licensing their IP vs. 'Play Our Game But Don't Buy Our Models'?

Yeah...no.

It is so far fetched that it seems...slightly trollish.

Are you deliberately choosing confuse things? I will take one last stab at explaining / clarifying:

It's not "playing their game", because it's a GENERIC ENGINE that is adapted to whatever IP is appropriate, in the same way that FFG's "flight path" engine is used (licensed) for (WizKids) Star Trek, (Wings of Glory) WW1 dogfighting, and (WotC) D&D Dragons in addition to Star Wars. None of the flight path licensees is playing Star Wars X-Wing or using any of the Star Wars universe IP. They are all using a version of FFG's Flight Path game engine IP. As a general engine, it could easily be adapted to Car Wars, Wooden Ships & Iron Men, BFG, or any other vehicle movement system.

GW licensing the "Age" engine for other skirmish boardgames would be great, due to the simplification and standardization.

I honestly don't think you actually believe that GW will ever get behind anything that says "Don't Bother Buying Our Models"!

Seriously!

But I guess I'll be a bit more clear in here too now:

This thread is contentious enough without straying further off topic while suggesting AoS would be the cure to whatever ails this game!

As far as using other game systems for the rules, I'd throw in for using Savage Worlds/Rail Wars to handle the game. I have a box on preorder from my FLGS (supposed to be in on 9/17), and if the base game rules don't fit my fancy, I'll be converting it to SW.

Just read on the Prodos forum that we will need to watch our pledge managers again. Apparently when the wave two products receive approval they will be opening the pledge manager again. Heads up! I'm sure this will go smoothly and by the numbers...

... that is exactly what I was saying a few weeks back - rince and repeat for another round of available excuses, why they don't ship - stupid backers forgot to lock their PM.

By the looks of it, Prodos' management is so incredible stupid, they should run politics - no matter where you are, your politicians can't be any dumber than that.

 Moses Bad wrote:
... that is exactly what I was saying a few weeks back - rince and repeat for another round of available excuses, why they don't ship - stupid backers forgot to lock their PM.

So the onus is on Prodos to ensure backers lock their PMs? Am I understanding you correctly?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Moses Bad wrote:
... that is exactly what I was saying a few weeks back - rince and repeat for another round of available excuses, why they don't ship - stupid backers forgot to lock their PM.

So the onus is on Prodos to ensure backers lock their PMs? Am I understanding you correctly?

If they keep reopening it without telling the backers, then yes.