Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game, Prodos loses license to AvP. p.266

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**warboss**

Why would mantic need prodos to make that? I thought mantic made plenty of resin and metal minis themselves in the past? Did they stop making anything on their own with the kickstarters and the switch to various forms of plastic?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

French and Spanish translations were also linked in their latest news letter

http://calc.prodos.co.uk/photos/avp_french.pdf

http://calc.prodos.co.uk/photos/avp_spanish.pdf

**DaveC**

warboss wrote:
Why would mantic need prodos to make that? I thought mantic made plenty of resin and metal minis themselves in the past? Did they stop making anything on their own with the kickstarters and the switch to various forms of plastic?

No idea but several people in the KoW thread have reported that Prodos made Blaine so they seem to be outsourcing some of the miniatures at least and Prodos have got some of that work.

**warboss**

Ah, thanks. It appears BOLS was able to get a copy of AVP at gencon and have posted an unboxing. I'm guessing they didn't buy it but rather were given a gratis review copy instead due to their relatively high profile as a blog.

**Cyporiean**

DaveC wrote:
warboss wrote:
Why would mantic need prodos to make that? I thought mantic made plenty of resin and metal minis themselves in the past? Did they stop making anything on their own with the kickstarters and the switch to various forms of plastic?

No idea but several people in the KoW thread have reported that Prodos made Blaine so they seem to be outsourcing some of the miniatures at least and Prodos have got some of that work.

I got this a year ago, wouldn't be surprised if Mantic got the same message and decided to use Blaine as a test piece.

Hello,
My name is Jim Vidlak from Prodos Games; we would like to let you know about the services that we are offering to other miniatures companies like yourself. I know your current project is done, but we might be able to help you in your future projects.

We are a miniatures company that offer 3d design, printing and casting services to members of the game industry. We can do any or all of these services for you depending on your needs.

Have you truly considered how efficient 3D design and printing is for the miniatures gaming industry? In less than a year we here at Prodos Games have created an entire miniatures range with over 80 individual units and are about to release a second range using these cutting edge 3D design and print technologies.

Just imagine you could add to or update your product like in a mere fraction of the time it would take to create and update them by traditional methods. With 3D sculpting and printing your models can be made and in production in weeks as opposed to months or years.

The team we have assembled has been responsible for some of the cutting edge 3D model designs you have seen from such companies as Puppet Wars, Micro Art Studios, and Modiphius Entertainment.

We provide a full service option for all your 3D design needs; from concept art, the 3d sculpting process, 3d printing, and casting your project in Liquid Plastic. We can provide services from small runs to large scale production. We provide services based upon what suits your project's needs best.

Here are links to our website http://prodosgames.com/ and to our webshop http://shop.prodosgames.com/en/ where you can find pictures of our miniatures.

Thanks for your time,
Jim Vidlak
Prodos Games
Jim.vidlak@prodos.co.uk

**Moses Bad**

Somehow I can't see, Prodos doing this for long ...
Stalling their own KS (say, has their first one been done by now?).
Stalling two other games.
Even if no company looks here to see, how Prodos are doing, they are killing yet another moneysource.
Yaih, Prodos. You know King Midas? The guy that turned everything he touched to gold (yeah, died at the end, like any good greek tragedy - but that's not what I'm aiming for)? Guess what everything turns into, you lay your paws onto?
You have three guesses and the first letter is an S.

**dekinrie**

i got the KOW pledge with the blaine quite a nice mini so they can make the stuff just trouble getting it anywhere

**CptJake**

Moses Bad wrote:

Yaih, Prodos. You know King Midas? The guy that turned everything he touched to gold (yeah, died at the end, like any good greek tragedy - but that's not what I'm aiming for)? Guess what everything turns into, you lay your paws onto?
You have three guesses and the first letter is an S.

Silver?

Sambuca?

Sapphires?

**Moses Bad**

They'd wish.

**Grumpae**

Soup? Who doesn't like soup?

**angelofvengeance**

Heh. Prodos just told a guy on Facebook to have faith and the game is coming lol

**Grumpae**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Heh. Prodos just told a guy on Facebook to have faith and the game is coming lol

Ahhh yes, I see, I thought it was just breathing hard...

**JohnHwangDD**

Taco Bell just unboxed a copy of AvP from GenCon!

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/08/prodos-games-avp-the-hunt-begins-unboxing.html

Good thing they were backers, right?

**GiraffeX**

I believe they have also stalled the fulfilment of the Wolsung kickstarter as well for Micro Art Studio.

From their latest update

Posted by Micro Art Studio
Hi Guys,
the Giant Golem is produced, the cards are ready, but we are still waiting for the package from Prodos games we were supposed to get last week. There still is no sign of it, so we are unable to give any definite dates. What we can assure you of though is that the shipping will start as soon as Julia and Benito casts arrive from Prodos. We really hope is only a matter of a few days.

That's from the update on the 12th of august

**Moses Bad**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Heh. Prodos just told a guy on Facebook to have faith and the game is coming lol

So Prodos now has some god-complex? That would explain a lot of things ... too bad for them, I'm atheist.

**AlexHeap**

I've actually been emailing Prodos recently about a quote for producing some Miniatures. I'm definitely glad I did some research on them and read this thread as they certainly won't be getting any of my business now.

**Alpharius**

AlexHeap wrote:
I've actually been emailing Prodos recently about a quote for producing some Miniatures. I'm definitely glad I did some research on them and read this thread as they certainly won't be getting any of my business now.

You still might be able to use them - timing is critical/key here. They are delivering to the other campaigns, just a bit...late!

Also, Maxmini does good resin casting too - in case you're wondering!

**cincydooley**

Well I guess the good news is that, whenever it comes, you know the Blaine miniature will look good. That's not a guarantee you can make with Mantic all the time.

**Nostromodamus**

So I now am waiting on 3 projects that have been delayed by Prodos' incompetence.

I wish there was a "gouging my eyes out" Orkmoticon.

**Mymearan**

Very surprised when I saw a stack of copies at a FLGS here in Sweden over a week ago!

**Moses Bad**

Why? They're all over the place, except with backers ...

**cincydooley**

Moses Bad wrote:
Why? They're all over the place, except with backers ...

And the miniatures and overall game components are glorious.

Really great looking stuff.

**Moses Bad**

cincydooley wrote:
Moses Bad wrote:
Why? They're all over the place, except with backers ...

And the miniatures and overall game components are glorious.

Really great looking stuff.

But you better go and buy at your local shop, because Prodos, your trustworthy, communicative, reliable and truthfull creators will rather send the fifth restock, before you get yours.

**cincydooley**

Moses Bad wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Moses Bad wrote:
Why? They're all over the place, except with backers ...

And the miniatures and overall game components are glorious.

Really great looking stuff.

But you better go and buy at your local shop, because Prodos, your trustworthy, communicative, reliable and truthfull creators will rather send the fifth restock, before you get yours.

We already established I got mine from Prodos.

I may even order a 2nd copy from them.

**Grumpae**

cincydooley wrote:
Moses Bad wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Moses Bad wrote:
Why? They're all over the place, except with backers ...

And the miniatures and overall game components are glorious.

Really great looking stuff.

But you better go and buy at your local shop, because Prodos, your trustworthy, communicative, reliable and truthfull creators will rather send the fifth restock, before you get yours.

We already established I got mine from Prodos.

I may even order a 2nd copy from them.

Fill your boots man! I'm sure it won't affect the dismal (at best) delivery of my copies. Honestly I'm glad someone is liking the game enough to buy another copy.

**Moses Bad**

What I see there is a troll that is just trying to provoke people with his cheerleading.
Reason why I put him on ignore.
I could be running to some mod, whining I feel offended by him, but since I'm no crybaby ... it's just bye bye.

**richred_uk**

Rob Prodosgames Whoa! That escalated...
Okay, it was set at 9999 units in stock, because we are the manufacturer. It doesn't mean we are sitting on a mountain of AvP's... tongue emoticon
If we had 9999 copies of AvP in our warehouse, we would be over the moon!

We do have issues with both manufacturing and shipping at this stage.

We have to generate turnover (which is not a problem) in order to continue shipping the Kickstarter.

As a USA backer, your order will ship from Ninja Division at the end of September. We know it's been pushed back, but that is our problem, not NDs. Our final shipment to them has been delayed and they think the best thing for the US market is to get it all shipped at the same time. We agree!
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From the Facebook Group. The first time that Prodos have explicitly acknowledged that they cannot afford to ship KS backer rewards without funds from retail sales. I applaud their belated honesty while raising an eyebrow at their dubious programme management abilities.

**Grumpae**

Thanks for sharing, I'm not a fb person so I would never have seen this otherwise. Not at all surprised by this information. I'm sure we all suspected this. Especially due to them constantly reopening the pm, making retailers their priority, etc. I'm not going to believe any shipping announcements until the product shows up on my doorstep. I sure wish I could somehow stop thinking about it all the time though...

**BrookM**

Well, maybe if cincy is a good sport and buys a few more boxes they can use that money to send backers their rewards as well.

**richred_uk**

Hmmm, just re-reading that (I skimmed the bit about the US as I'm not there)

On 14th August, we (or you/ they) get:

Jim Prodosgames
14 August at 16:53
This is Rumor Control and these are the Facts for August 14, 2015:
<SNIP>
3. Shipping and Wave 1 completion, we are doing our best to get all Wave 1 boxes shipped by the end of August, however this may slip until the middle of September. We understand this will be upsetting too many and are sorry that it is the case, but we want to be as honest as we can here. All North American backers will be sent by the end of August via our US partners Ninja Division.

On 20th August that becomes:

Rob Prodosgames <SNIP>

As a USA backer, your order will ship from Ninja Division at the end of September. We know it's been pushed back, but that is our problem, not NDs. Our final shipment to them has been delayed and they think the best thing for the US market is to get it all shipped at the same time. We agree!

That's a heck of a shift to the right to announce in a reply to someone else's post and not an 'official announcement', especially when not all NA backers are in the group, so the news seeps out from forums like this.