Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game, Prodos loses license to AvP. p.266

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**biggusdoggus**

I suggest you go put yours on some scales. The KS box definitely doesn't weigh 6Kg. It might have that on the shipping label, but it's not at all uncommon for shipping labels to state weights heavier than the contents.

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and if you got yours yesterday, I'd be surprised if you even got a KS spec anyway.

**Grumpae**

Still haven't heard anything here in Canada. I just wish I had some idea of what is truly going on. That last update (read here in the cesspool) didn't even mention Canada. Maybe I'll try emailing Prodos directly and see if I can get an answer of some sort. I was hoping ND would be handling Canada as well. The news over this last week is very disheartening to say the least. Congrats to those that have received their shipping notice. If I hear anything I will post it here.

**biggusdoggus**

I thought Ninja (and by inference, this 3rd party distributor, whoever they are, were shipping to all backers across the American Continent, and therefore by definition, Canada as well as all points below the USA. They've obviously chosen to prioritise US addresses, which would suggest that your box is on a boat still (or stuck in customs perhaps by now).

**Joyboozer**

Oh for feths sake, the pledge manager is open again, and now they've only just realised they didn't actually send out an update. It will also reopen October 2. fething why? Seriously.
Prodos, you fething suck. Surely it must be obvious now even to your selves.
I'd recommend checking your address carefully, details in mine mysteriously changed.
"65% of the KS has shipped. We stopped last week due to the recall from the market. " no explanation of what the feth this means, I'm guessing it's when they realised they were fething up with retail/ Kickstarter copies.
"We are working on our marketing plan for Wave 2, with Fox right now, hence the lack of photos of Wave 2 from us. You are free and welcome to share any you can find on the internet or using a Wayback machine. We cannot and will not stop you. "
What the feth does this mean? They are about to send out wave two, unapproved?
Seriously, I'm completely gak faced, I hope my post makes more sense then their update.
A few years ago the idea of AvP was formed under a bridge, by 4 trolls...

**Forlorn**

Nothing was shipped from Ninja as they were waiting for the complete shipment. Now that has changed and they are shipping what they have as of the 25th Ninja release. I'm wondering who this 3rd party undisclosed party is that will supposedly be shipping the remaining US boxes. And if those boxes received are the retail boxes they that PRODOS thought they'd quietly send everyone this could literally be endless.

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Joyboozer wrote:
Oh for feths sake, the pledge manager is open again, and now they've only just realised they didn't actually send out an update. It will also reopen October 2. fething why? Seriously.
Prodos, you fething suck. Surely it must be obvious now even to your selves.
I'd recommend checking your address carefully, details in mine mysteriously changed.
"65% of the KS has shipped. We stopped last week due to the recall from the market. " no explanation of what the feth this means, I'm guessing it's when they realised they were fething up with retail/ Kickstarter copies.
"We are working on our marketing plan for Wave 2, with Fox right now, hence the lack of photos of Wave 2 from us. You are free and welcome to share any you can find on the internet or using a Wayback machine. We cannot and will not stop you. "
What the feth does this mean? They are about to send out wave two, unapproved?
Seriously, I'm completely gak faced, I hope my post makes more sense then their update.
A few years ago the idea of AvP was formed under a bridge, by 4 trolls...

My pledge manager isn't open again.

**shingouki**

Mine is.

**Forlorn**

And I hope they reopen the pledge manager so I can drop the Wargame rulebook which may never see the light of day at this point. Might as well use the funds for minis I may never get instead.

**RiTides**

Is there any way to stop receiving their private messages on Kickstarter? Thankfully, I had second thoughts right after this ended and sold my pledge, so I don't need to be updated via private message from them...

**angelofvengeance**

RiTides wrote:
Is there any way to stop receiving their private messages on Kickstarter? Thankfully, I had second thoughts right after this ended and sold my pledge, so I don't need to be updated via private message from them...

Err report it as spam?

**RiTides**

I thought about that... but it seems unfair since I backed the project. Just wondering if there was a way to opt out of private messages from a campaign like there is to opt out of updates... but probably not.

**Forlorn**

RiTides wrote:
I thought about that... but it seems unfair since I backed the project. Just wondering if there was a way to opt out of private messages from a campaign like there is to opt out of updates... but probably not.

It's not like they send out many updates.

**angelofvengeance**

Forlorn wrote:
RiTides wrote:
I thought about that... but it seems unfair since I backed the project. Just wondering if there was a way to opt out of private messages from a campaign like there is to opt out of updates... but probably not.

It's not like they send out many updates.

To be fair, they've picked up the pace a bit with the updates. We're getting more than we did when they went dark during the FOX bull gak.

**Stormonu**

*Sigh*

Well my FLGS gave me store credit for the copy I ordered and is now about a month overdue, and I just spent it on Adeptus Mechanicus and Necrons (they didn't have any Tyranids in stock...).

All I really wanted was the minis themselves - namely the aliens and marines, guess I'll pick them up on e-bay or look for older versions/knock-offs at this point.

Such a shame.

**angelofvengeance**

So I had an email from Michal today- I suspect there's going to be more disgruntled backers...

I will be returning my retail copy of AvP to Prodos.. at my own expense. So not only have Prodos taken my 125 bucks of my money. I now have to pay for their failure to deliver the correct items. Good luck to anyone backing Panzerfauste... Christ.

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

@angelofvengence was your copy from a kickstarter pledge or through the pledge manager. If through the pledge manager you should be covered by the same rights as a retail purchase.

**CptJake**

That is fethed up.

**angelofvengeance**

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
@angelofvengence was your copy from a kickstarter pledge or through the pledge manager. If through the pledge manager you should be covered by the same rights as a retail purchase.

Kickstarter campaign sadly.

**Morikun**

I've asked Jarek and Michal for the pred tiles because I've already built my stalkers...

Michal answered me :

" I`ve noted the fact about Predator Tiles."

The french printable version is still not available anyway...

And to be honest, I wouldn't pay one € more to re-send my 4,5 kg retail box in the Uk or Poland to see it shipped to a retailer or a lambda customer while I would be obliged to wait for an hypothetic KS version.

"One yours is better than two you'll have" as we said in France (sorry for the bad translation) and I can count on a box now...Whereas a lot of backers. All this project is a f...g mess indeed...

Serviteur,

Morikun

**Moses Bad**

And by now, I've received Rise of the Kage and Blood Rage. Two projects that started after AvP and delivered on time in full.
I wonder if the guys from Prodos can even manage their morning coffee without messing that up.

**warboss**

angelofvengeance wrote:
So I had an email from Michal today- I suspect there's going to be more disgruntled backers...

I will be returning my retail copy of AvP to Prodos.. at my own expense. So not only have Prodos taken my 125 bucks of my money. I now have to pay for their failure to deliver the correct items. Good luck to anyone backing Panzerfauste... Christ.

That's the first thing I thought (and posted) when I saw the "offer" to return and replace the items. That has to run afoul of consumer protection laws regarding faulty products.

**Big Jim**

Remember if you are in the UK check consumer advice sites and legislation on distance selling. For UK backers we have some of the best consumer protections.

Which is a good start.
http://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/consumer-contracts-regulations

As is the distance selling regs.
https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses

These should cover the legal position regarding costs for returns etc.

Don't be side lined by the Kickstarter T&C's or other "it's not a shop" malarkey, it's covered by the distance selling regs.

As Prodos apparently keep an eye on this, my suggestion would be for them to have a look at the UK regs as I'd suggest they could fall foul of them if they are not careful.

**JohnHwangDD**

Good news for all of you AvP backers!

Ninja Division wrote:AvP US Kickstarter Fullfillment Shipping

Published by deke, on September 25, 2015. Filed under Alien vs Predator News.

Ninja Division Publishing has completed packing of our entire stock of approximately 180 copies of Alien v Predator. The packages were picked up today, September 25th. If your ZIP code is between 77042 and 99645, you should be receiving your copy soon! In order to make sure that as many people as possible can start enjoying the game we sent one copy to each backer. If you ordered multiple copies your additional copies will be coming with the remaining quantities as detailed below.

As stated in our previous update, the remaining quantity needed to complete the fulfillment is currently on a ship heading to the US. In agreement with Prodos Games, a third party fulfillment center will be handling the final fulfillment. The fulfillment center is located in the port city, allowing the elimination of the travel time needed to transport the product to Ninja Division’s warehouse in Idaho. Prodos will coordinate with the third party fulfillment center and ensure delivery of the final items.

For further inquiries regarding your Kickstarter Pledges,

Contact: Prodos Games
+441926431831
service@prodos.co.uk
www.prodosgames.com

http://ninjadivision.com/avp-us-kickstarter-fullfillment-shipping/

Here's my tl;dr:

See that picture? That's a photo of EVERYTHING that those fethers at Prodos shipped to us, finally arrived today.

We are shipping EVERYTHING that we received, and we're getting this gak out the door as soon as possible.

Got a problem? Not our problem. Call those fethers at Prodos.

**warboss**

That's the "why the hell did we step in that pile of poop and we're wiping our shoes clean ASAP" update.

**JohnHwangDD**

Yeah, ND wants to wash their hands of AVP ASAP!

**krazynadechukr**

Just an FYI for those who might be doing what I did.

I sold 3 preds for $30 & $17 postage (to Germany), then another 3 preds for $30 & free postage (USA). (for some reason my set had 3 baggies of preds, so I kept one set of 3 for myself).

I sold the 99% complete boxed game - minus the minis - for $50 & it cost $19 to mail ground (sold in USA/mailed to USA)...

Not fetching the prices I had thought they would.

There are sites selling the complete game on the web for $100 now.....

**Moses Bad**

Well, it gets sort of complicated by now ...
There's the original KS Version, the Retail Version, the new KS Version. Is there even a new Retail Version?
I lost track somewhere along the way ...

**ced1106**

angelofvengeance wrote:
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
@angelofvengence was your copy from a kickstarter pledge or through the pledge manager. If through the pledge manager you should be covered by the same rights as a retail purchase.

Kickstarter campaign sadly.

Dunno about the UK, but, in the USA, you can always appeal to the highest order -- your credit card company.

(Also, in the USA, KS "rewards" are seen as retail purchases, so it doesn't matter if you got the stuff through KS or not. Good luck!)

http://blog.credit.com/2012/07/your-secret-credit-weapon-the-chargeback-60676/

**CptJake**

Way too late for my credit card company to help out. I tried several months ago, basically any charge over 6 month old and you're screwed. You may be able to get a year, but you have to fight hard, and even with that this charge was too old.

**timd**

Rec'd my copy (in CA) from Ninja Division today.

Have not been following the "KS vs retail version" details so don't know whether I have a KS or retail version...

T

**warboss**

The differences are listed somewhere in the last page or two of the thread in a handy dandy post.