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yeah,

 warboss wrote:
Did they say why you were banned? Did you swear, flagrantly insult, or something else on Panzerfauste?

KickStarter email wrote:While I understand there are a lot of emotions involved with the fulfillment of this project, it's important to remember our Community Guidelines, which stipulate that messages and comments should be polite and judicious at all times. In addition, it says, "Don’t post personal information."

As for the current limitations on your account, your commenting and messaging restrictions are set to expire on Oct 22nd.

Revealing personal information.
- I linked to Rob's Linkedin page where he said he's a director at Prodos.
- I posted a screenshot of the same info.

Panic...

OK... The personal info does break them then even if was very pertinent to the real risks of backing a Prodos related project.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
It's amazing how FUBAR this was. With a franchise like this, it should have been an amazing and resounding success.

*Funding* is the success, managing something else entirely.

After following various KS projects, I'm avoiding those with multiple not-so-interested parties (eg. outside investors, "board of directors", corporate movie suits) involved.

ced1106 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
It's amazing how FUBAR this was. With a franchise like this, it should have been an amazing and resounding success.

*Funding* is the success, managing something else entirely.

After following various KS projects, I'm avoiding those with multiple not-so-interested parties (eg. outside investors, "board of directors", corporate movie suits) involved.

Given that Fox weren't even mentioned on the original kickstarter and that there was not even a hint of issues between Prodos and Fox until long after they'd been funded, you'd have been hard pushed to identify a problem in this case.

biggusdoggus wrote:

ced1106 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
It's amazing how FUBAR this was. With a franchise like this, it should have been an amazing and resounding success.

*Funding* is the success, managing something else entirely.

After following various KS projects, I'm avoiding those with multiple not-so-interested parties (eg. outside investors, "board of directors", corporate movie suits) involved.

Given that Fox weren't even mentioned on the original kickstarter and that there was not even a hint of issues between Prodos and Fox until long after they'd been funded, you'd have been hard pushed to identify a problem in this case.

Do we have any proof of those problems with fox? I mean, I never found another source saying that except for Prodos themself. And they lied so many times (especially if it came to excuses for delays and broken promises), that I take everything they say with a lot of salt until I have enough evidence to believe it. Has Fox ever said something that would confirm Prodos Statements that everything is basically Fox fault? Otherwise it sounds pretty convenient for an excuse...

shadowtyrant wrote:
Do we have any proof of those problems with fox? I mean, I never found another source saying that except for Prodos themself. And they lied so many times (especially if it came to excuses for delays and broken promises), that I take everything they say with a lot of salt until I have enough evidence to believe it. Has Fox ever said something that would confirm Prodos Statements that everything is basically Fox fault? Otherwise it sounds pretty convenient for an excuse...

Other than if it wasn't true Fox would usually say something, otherwise they tend to not respond. What Prodos has described with approvals, updating and licensed obligations is about normal when dealing with IP products. Even more-so when dealing with Fox traditionally, this is about norm for them.

I agree we've never seen proof that it's Fox at fault, but it does seem incredibly likely that Prodos have struggled to deal with them. Some of that must surely be Fox's doing, but I'd suspect that some of it is also down to the way Prodos have approached it. For example, it would seem they got initial approval on the minis for the board game based on completed and constructed minis (possibly even greens or even 3d sculpts) and then made all 115k minis for the 5000 box print run (2500 more boxes than they had actually sold - causing a future KS exclusivity issue) and only then presented 7-8 part minis to Fox in their final form. Not surprisingly Fox appear then to have rejected them as too many parts for a boardgame, causing months of delay while Prodos redesigned the moulds, got the 2-3 part models re-approved and then had to scrap the original 115k models and remake the lot. I don't see fethups like that as Fox's fault, it's nothing more than bad project management on Prodos' behalf, wasting both time and huge amounts of money (and probably pissing Fox off in the process).

Have Fox been helpful? probably not. But for sure Prodos have attempted to shoot themselves in the foot with their gun of incompetence at practically every turn.


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and I think it's hard to blame Fox for the poor communication throughout. It's not Fox's fault that Prodos don't appear to be able to make more than a handful of games per day, that's just poor planning from them.

+1 to that biggusdoggus.

Fox have a process to be followed. They are not hell bent on making Prodos' life difficult. It's a process. It's up to Prodos to be able to follow that process in full. Their regular failure to do so has been the root of their issues from multiparts to retail shipping to funding goals to misleading communications.

They should chuck in some of those 'rejected minis' as freebies for backers to cheer us all up, but we know that won't happen.

they said the rejected minis had been ground up and recycled. I'm not sure how viable that is, but I'd think at the least it could be used as filler to bulk out further batches of resin.

biggusdoggus wrote:
they said the rejected minis had been ground up and recycled. I'm not sure how viable that is, but I'd think at the least it could be used as filler to bulk out further batches of resin.

I didn't think it was possible to "recycle" resin minis like that (unlike metal). Obviously I don't know the exact chemical makeup of the resin nor would I be able to do much with it given my last chem engineering class was about two decades ago but surprising nonetheless and not to be taken without some salt given the suppposed source.

biggusdoggus wrote:
Given that Fox weren't even mentioned on the original kickstarter and that there was not even a hint of issues between Prodos and Fox until long after they'd been funded, you'd have been hard pushed to identify a problem in this case.

Not a problem, but something of a yellow flag.

The more fingers in the pie, and all that. Actual problems with third parties, unfortunately, tend to surface after the funding.

A guy on BGG was doing a tutorial on assembling his Queen. Sounds like he paid a premium for a gak product. The resin of the legs does not hold up to the weight of the figure. Hopefully he just got one out of a bad batch...

http://boardgamegeek.com/article/20744134#20744134



A day later:





Then a night spent held like above:

Damn you Fox!

The KoW Tyrant Blaine had the same problem the resin Prodos is using just isn't able to support the weight of top heavy models it may not be isolated incidence that said the heat in your country may have an impact.

 DaveC wrote:
The KoW Tyrant Blaine had the same problem the resin Prodos is using just isn't able to support the weight of top heavy models it may not be isolated incidence that said the heat in your country may have an impact.

Is it really REALLY hot in Germany? That is where the guy on BGG is from.

 DaveC wrote:
The KoW Tyrant Blaine had the same problem the resin Prodos is using just isn't able to support the weight of top heavy models it may not be isolated incidence that said the heat in your country may have an impact.

"Disclaimer: Your country may cause our minis to melt"

Maybe he had the queen near a heat source. I just realised that his queen is pretty blue. It's a known problem with Prodos that they are not able to adequately mix their restics/resine. The composition varies from model to model. You can easily see that by the color. Some models are more gray, and others are more blue, or any mix between gray and blue. In generel, the more blue a prodos miniature appears, the softer and more heat sensitive it is.

I was lucky. My queen is nearly completely gray, with just the slightest glance of blue in it, and it is pretty solid and does not bend. I also have some gray alien warriors which are fine, and some blue ones which are bendy. With Prodos it's the luck of the draw...

But if a model is "too blue" to work, thats a faulty product and I would ask for a new one or a refund.

Latest post from the BGG topic:

wow, that was fast. Jarek from Prodos answered me already:

"Hi there, It's caused with 1st casts from a fresh mould, Resin gets into reaction with alcohol, to be honest is should be scrapped at manufacturing, however sometimes it may go through.

Please send us your address for replacement, Agata (in CC) will send you a new model, thanks."

So, this will solve the problem definitely.

So, it is a quality control issue. Not sure how 'sometimes it may go through' happens. If you know the first X out of the mold are gak, you toss out X or even X+1 automatically.

These guys really are a gak show. At least they are going to replace the bad queen for the guy though.

And of course, some of us have yet to get anything...

Did that update, that was supposed to be on Friday, that was delayed, ever get posted up anywhere?


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This just up....

Prodos Games Ltd
Prodos Games Ltd
Oct 27 2015
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Hello all,

First things first, we'd like to clear up some confusion regarding our last update. Our intention was not to cause any panic, but to explain that if we split ship AvP, it will cost us money that we have not included in the calculations we made during our KS.
There is no between the lines here, just that we will have to pay some money towards this. Apologies for the lack of clarity!

Shipping of Wave 2 will begin tomorrow. That consists of the Board Game and all available add-ons, plus the Berserker Model, Royal Guard Model and Predator Tiles.

Wave 3 will include all outstanding items – this will begin immediately after Wave 2.

We are predicting that Wave 2 will take 6 weeks to complete, due to the cost of shipping.

As for USA backers, the Board Games have made their way through customs and are now in a dispatch centre, awating the add ons. However, more than 300 backers have not yet updated their Pledge Manager with their real name or surname (using usernames instead). We will update you all with a link to the affected Post Codes in the next few days.

Last week, we visited Fox in London. We have agreed to continue manufacturing AvP as it is, as well as releasing a standalone AvP product that will have less of the 'wargaming' features of the current version – but it will be fast and furious!. More information about this when it comes and, don't worry, it won't be a Kickstarter release!

Many thanks,
Prodos Games LTD

You can pin the legs of the queen to give it more rigidity. I would expect Wargamers to be able to do this, but it isn't practical for teenage boardgame players.

Questions for Prodos:

Will Wave 2 be shipped out to US / North American backers with their board games? Or, will that be shipped separately?

Will Wave 3 contain the 3D tile board?

I recall speaking to a Prodo's representative at Adepticon and he said that the 3D board pieces will have removable wall segments so you can play it flat(er) or higher. They did this in response to the change of design in making the walls too shallow.

 grossey wrote:
You can pin the legs of the queen to give it more rigidity. I would expect Wargamers to be able to do this, but it isn't practical for teenage boardgame players.

Seriously? How are you going to fully pin the legs with the bends they have?

How about instead we expect Prodos to cast the damned things correctly and QC their damned product?

 Alex C wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
The KoW Tyrant Blaine had the same problem the resin Prodos is using just isn't able to support the weight of top heavy models it may not be isolated incidence that said the heat in your country may have an impact.

"Disclaimer: Your country may cause our minis to melt"

"Yeah but its a dry heat !" - " stow it hudson !"

 CURNOW wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
The KoW Tyrant Blaine had the same problem the resin Prodos is using just isn't able to support the weight of top heavy models it may not be isolated incidence that said the heat in your country may have an impact.

"Disclaimer: Your country may cause our minis to melt"

"Yeah but its a dry heat !" - " stow it hudson !"

I watched the movies again the other day and it's genuinely quite hilarious how many quotes can be applied to the KS saga

 Alex C wrote:
I watched the movies again the other day and it's genuinely quite hilarious how many quotes can be applied to the KS saga

"How do I get out of this [EXPLETIVE DELETED] outfit?"

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crazy_cat wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
I watched the movies again the other day and it's genuinely quite hilarious how many quotes can be applied to the KS saga

"How do I get out of this [EXPLETIVE DELETED] outfit?"

As said by Mark Rapson, Rob Alderman ...... others?

I like the KS/Aliens similarities...

Eg. Any request for a shipping update -
(Vasquez: Look, man. I only need to know one thing: where they are.)

Eg. Any Prodos shipping update -
(Bishop: I'm afraid I have some bad news.
Hudson: Well that's a switch.)

I could go on... (Aliens is awesome)

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hopefully the revenue will help get more of the KS sets out of the doors

Still don't have my fething replacement.. ffs.

I still don't have a damned thing.