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Come on guys! Do we really need to fight amongst ourselves? Who does that serve? I know we are all frustrated with the way things are progressing, I myself am very frustrated, but I really don't see how we benefit by slamming other backers. There have been a few vocal backers that were able to get their stuff quicker by complaining loudly (and apparently to the right people), a few of whom have posted about that success here. I don't blame them, I blame those that capitulated to them. Most of my life I have watched this type of behaviour be rewarded and yet have always felt that it was entitled behaviour. I don't want to be treated better than any other backer, I don't feel I should have to raise a gak storm to get what I want.. I want all backers to get their stuff. I want clear and reliable and honest information. I want a community where we can be happy for each backer that gets thier pledges, without people making attacks / insulting those that got theirs first. If you have to be upset with someone, look not to the person who makes the most noise, but to the one that rewards them. JMHO.

I don't begrudge any KS backer who got their stuff. If threats or loud public complaining work, so be it.

I put the blame square on Prodos' shoulders for putting us backers in the position where we have to engage in that behavior just to get what we paid for.

Good for all the backers who have time/energy to piss off/scare Prodos enough that they get their stuff. I just don't have it in me at this point.

My policy is to do what every archetypal Englishman does when faced with appallingly bad service : form an orderly queue whilst grumbling occasionally under my breath and internalising the rage in an unhealthy manner.

But sure, I guess I can't blame people for doing all they can to get their pledges. I will be pretty annoyed if they bring this whole poop-house down before I get anything though! >__>

Lets face it, if anything gets brought down it's due to the inadequacies of Prodos management.
If the company's plan is that reliant on people not asking questions of them then it's a pretty poor company plan

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 CURNOW wrote:
Hang on people are getting free sample minis ?

I would suggest to re-ready my post about what we are sending to whom... the Samples miniatures I mentioned are not AvP related...

Nowhere in your previous posts did you state that the free sample minis weren't avp ones and the fact we are in a avp topic one could safely assume that you ment avp ones its also not the first time that free promo samples and copies of the game to reviews has been mentioned.

Maybe you can answer me a question on here as you dont answer emails as my pledge doesn't include a copy of the game its just minis am i in the queue as normal or am i at the back of it due to you getting box games out first ?

Promotional products aren't free to produce or distribute. Whilst I understand spending some resources to promote Prodos' range. What I do struggle with is the logic of leaving so many backers with nothing causing significant damage to their reputation. I can't see why the shops down the road have multiple "kickstarter exclusive" boxes sat on shelves and I'm left waiting on "weekly" updates which aren't very weekly.

I've said before, I'd possibly have ordered more, had I a copy of the game. In the meantime, I've seen copies of the game sell for as little as £40.

(My comment of using the rules as toilet paper was only in jest. I don't intend on using the rules, I don't think they were play tested enough but eventually there may be a fix. I laughed at the suggestion of printing them out, envisaging printing them out on some luxuriously soft and absorbent toilet paper)

I don't want to see Prodos fail, I'm a backer because I wanted them and the AVP range to do well. But months down the line, it's still the familiar faces here when this topic could have been full of win. I hope that the lastest estimate is accurate, but I'm prepared for disappointment.

"I've seen copies of the game sell for as little as £40. "

Ouch. That's painful to see. When I saw the chance to back this after the KS, I really thought I was helping to support the range. I even went on to order extras later on. But both actions were a complete mistake, and I could have just waited to get it cheaper in the shops.

Since I 've not received any e-mails from Prodos, I checked my pledge manager again. Still at awaiting. Awaiting the fall of civilisation and the end of mankind at this rate. As the last light flickers, an e-mail will appear from Prodos...

...telling me that they've opened the pledge managers again, on the off chance some of the mutant zombies that have replaced mankind want to jump on board. Muppets.

Yep i can walk 20ft across the road to my flgs and pick up everything thats in my pledge that im still waiting for off the shelf for less than i paid on the kickstarter ok we got some freebies chucked in but i would of rather of spent the extra £50 or so and buy those bits now and had the money in my account for the last 2yrs .

I've seen loads of great new kickstarers complete since this one started and i know that most have issues but this one is starting to be one of the worse.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:



Regardless, I think I am too old for this and we are too busy at this stage.

The typical answer of someone who knows they are in the wrong yet are too much of a coward to admit it while ignoring half of the accusations put towards you.

@Jarek

You didn't answer me so, you complain about tour child because he is broken, but mine it's not important he can be broken but, only you is important.

The problem jarek is, you cannot give apologiz to my son, but if you had finish the AVP KS at time,

YOUR SON HAD NEVER READ FB, IF YOU HAD FINISH KS AT TIME !!!!!!!!!!

And your son is too young for read...............Lies again

 CATACHANTV wrote:
@Jarek

You didn't answer me so, you complain about tour child because he is broken, but mine it's not important he can be broken but, only you is important.

The problem jarek is, you cannot give apologiz to my son, but if you had finish the AVP KS at time,

YOUR SON HAD NEVER READ FB, IF YOU HAD FINISH KS AT TIME !!!!!!!!!!

And your son is too young for read...............Lies again

I think you are getting really confused here.

If you have an issue with AvP please direct your anger towards Prodos Games not my person , that's my issue.

If I am not happy with a company I make a complaint to the company not to their employees and I would not attack any of its employees or make it really personal with any one from the company.

Let me give you an example, you make miniature videos, if I wouldn't like I would make a comment about Video not his creator or his family and I would not keep sending you Personal messages demanding to change something ,answers or call you a liar....

As for my son he is 14y old in 1 week time, knows 2 languages fluently and I can assure you he can read.

Thanks.

You ARE the company for all intents and purposes, you are the public face. You are the spokes person, self anointed or not. You use the same account for personal and Prodos business.

Complaining to 'Prodos' as some entity is fething stupid, Prodos is (as you and other employees like to remind us) is small employee run company. 'Prodos' is not at fault, you and a small number of other people operating under the umbrella of Prodos are the fault.

As much as i hate to say it .... but this isn't helping anyone can we get back to not screaming at him so he may actually want to give us some news or updates ?

 CptJake wrote:
You ARE the company for all intents and purposes, you are the public face. You are the spokes person, self anointed or not. You use the same account for personal and Prodos business.

Complaining to 'Prodos' as some entity is fething stupid, Prodos is (as you and other employees like to remind us) is small employee run company. 'Prodos' is not at fault, you and a small number of other people operating under the umbrella of Prodos are the fault.

Actually Prodos is 32 employees for you information, many decisions have been made or agreed by several key peoples in Prodos that are still in or have gone some time ago...

I may be the face of the company at this stage, however I wont accept personal attacks nor an attack on my family, and in all fairness I don't expect you to understood this, if it easer for you this way they feel free to say whatever you want about my person but how this will change anything?

Really creative and intelligent approach to the situation - lets make a personal attack ... clap, clap, clap...

Marvellous now thats all sorted maybe we can move on . .

Do we have a list on what we are waiting on to be ok'd by fox ?

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
You ARE the company for all intents and purposes, you are the public face. You are the spokes person, self anointed or not. You use the same account for personal and Prodos business.

Complaining to 'Prodos' as some entity is fething stupid, Prodos is (as you and other employees like to remind us) is small employee run company. 'Prodos' is not at fault, you and a small number of other people operating under the umbrella of Prodos are the fault.

Actually Prodos is 32 employees for you information, many decisions have been made or agreed by several key peoples in Prodos that are still in or have gone some time ago...

I may be the face of the company at this stage, however I wont accept personal attacks nor an attack on my family, and in all fairness I don't expect you to understood this, if it easer for you this way they feel free to say whatever you want about my person but how this will change anything?

Really creative and intelligent approach to the situation - lets make a personal attack ... clap, clap, clap...

Except again, you are lying. The Jarek Ever account Facebook Account was used by you as a business account - the fact you used it to PM out UPS numbers proves as much. There were no 'attacks' on your family either, or personal attacks on you, you were accused of lying on your business used account. Simple.

You have been lying to backers, you've been caught in the act on several occasions, You made the threats, there has been evidence submitted to prove this and now you're attempting to act like you're the hurt victim in the whole AvP fiasco while still ignoring valid points made by people and not acknowledging everything you've been accused of.

You speak of creativity and intelligence yet have shown a complete lack of either. Man up, accept that you've done wrong, tell people the answers that they want to know. You want to 'reinvent the wheel?' Try actually being honest.

A public apology for threatening to reveal my personal details and blame me for AvP potentially failing wouldn't go amiss either, but I severely doubt I'll see that.

Yes my vote is for more real info on the status of this project please. What items still need approval, etc?

I don't really care to have to filter out or decipher drama that is being caused by personally provoking people, or "liar" accusations based on partial bits of information, or people standing on their morality soapboxes judging people and shaking their finger at them, or how good their grammar/spelling is, etc.

Ok i see, you cannot be honnest with you, so you couldn't be honest with people.

The best for you is now, silent and work for the stuff we paied, we gave to your company money so now make your job and stop complain about your family, we dont care.

Can you understand is for the future of company or not? Because many people stop KS with your name inside (prodos).

Perhaps Jarek, it would help if you came here to talk to backers instead of only turning up to argue with people?

"Yes my vote is for more real info on the status of this project please"

I only need to know one thing: where's my box?

"As for my son he is 14y old in 1 week time, knows 2 languages fluently and I can assure you he can read. "

Why don't you put him in charge?

When something has turned into a fething mess, there's an Aliens quote that covers it.

Jarek,

I just wanted to let you know that the AVP kickstarter 25% off codes are all on display when you check out of the Prodos Games shop. This means any visiting customer could use them. You may want to hide those codes.

Oh no! He better get right on that as soon as possible or a bunch of customers might rush through some orders to take advantage and overspend without thinking, and thus filling up the rewards shipping coffers. Tout suite.

A little less personal attacks, a little more dicussion please ? I haven't received my pledge either, and I'm not happy with it.
Still, this isn't PB, and Jarek's had the courage to walk into the "wolf's den".
I don't think attempts at communication should be shot down that viciously. You don't have to be nice and happy, but at least be polite folks.

Yes indeed, all I'm really interested in at this point is:

- When the remaining core game boxes are due to ship out (which last I heard was by the end of January).

- Whether these boxes are going to be the original 'Kickstarter' versions or the later 'Reduced Retail' versions.

- If the latter, how I can submit my request for the free Predator Ship tiles to be shipped with my package.

- What models have been approved for release and will be shipped by the end of January in the same package. I'm assuming at least everything currently being sold at retail, but there may be others.

I would be grateful if someone in the know, which includes Jarek, could give answers about these, since I have not officially received a single email or communication from Prodos since backing the project post-Kickstarter in September 2014. The less direct information I have, the more I end up having to trawl through arguments and hearsay to get an idea of what is going on.

Yes - good point. RULE #1 seems to be taking a beating as of late in here. Please remember to keep things polite - at all times.

 Bioptic wrote:
Yes indeed, all I'm really interested in at this point is:

- When the remaining core game boxes are due to ship out (which last I heard was by the end of January).

- Whether these boxes are going to be the original 'Kickstarter' versions or the later 'Reduced Retail' versions.

- If the latter, how I can submit my request for the free Predator Ship tiles to be shipped with my package.

- What models have been approved for release and will be shipped by the end of January in the same package. I'm assuming at least everything currently being sold at retail, but there may be others.

I would be grateful if someone in the know, which includes Jarek, could give answers about these, since I have not officially received a single email or communication from Prodos since backing the project post-Kickstarter in September 2014. The less direct information I have, the more I end up having to trawl through arguments and hearsay to get an idea of what is going on.

Hi there, thanks for questions :


- When the remaining core game boxes are due to ship out (which last I heard was by the end of January).

End of January is our estimation for Wave 2, we would like to make in the same Wave 3 as long as we will get approval on still-to-approved items.

- Whether these boxes are going to be the original 'Kickstarter' versions or the later 'Reduced Retail' versions.

One of the mistakes we have made was to release Retain (different to KS version. This decision was driven due to huge increase of manufacturing costs (30% up) to the cost we have been quoted in 2013 during KS.
Thus, manufacturer capacity was divided to produce the revised Retail and Kickstarter version at the same time, causing delays. However, all backers are receiving only KS version, we have made optionally available game in Spanish OR German (retail version) to backers, only if they are happy to receive such copy instead of KS one.

- If the latter, how I can submit my request for the free Predator Ship tiles to be shipped with my package.

Tiles are part of wave 2, thus if you have not received wave 1 as of yet it will come with the board game and all available add-ons.

- What models have been approved for release and will be shipped by the end of January in the same package. I'm assuming at least everything currently being sold at retail, but there may be others.

January approval is pending: https://gyazo.com/ba5839422624d71854da14afdf950d16 , Duch, Lin and Young Bloods are still to be approved for Jan: Sentry Guns, Predator Female just been reviewed and awaiting the final green light (samples tick off).

Thanks and sorry for lack of communication, please sing up to newsletter at shop.prodosgames.com for latest news regarding KS releases. Thanks.

By the way, thanks for rectifying my order status Jarek, I hope to see a delivery notice soon!

Really getting excited from the pics shown in the other thread. I've been wanting high quality Alien miniatures for a LONG time.

- What models have been approved for release and will be shipped by the end of January in the same package. I'm assuming at least everything currently being sold at retail, but there may be others.

January approval is pending: https://gyazo.com/ba5839422624d71854da14afdf950d16 , Duch, Lin and Young Bloods are still to be approved for Jan: Sentry Guns, Predator Female just been reviewed and awaiting the final green light (samples tick off).

Thank you very much for the answer Jarek.

Does that means tokens (aliens/predators/CM ones) + cloaked predators + facehuggers are already and definitely approved by FOX ?

If yes, are they in the wave 2 too or will be shipped with Wave 3 ?

Thank you very much,

Serviteur,

Morikun

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

Spoiler:

 Bioptic wrote:
Yes indeed, all I'm really interested in at this point is:

- When the remaining core game boxes are due to ship out (which last I heard was by the end of January).

- Whether these boxes are going to be the original 'Kickstarter' versions or the later 'Reduced Retail' versions.

- If the latter, how I can submit my request for the free Predator Ship tiles to be shipped with my package.

- What models have been approved for release and will be shipped by the end of January in the same package. I'm assuming at least everything currently being sold at retail, but there may be others.

I would be grateful if someone in the know, which includes Jarek, could give answers about these, since I have not officially received a single email or communication from Prodos since backing the project post-Kickstarter in September 2014. The less direct information I have, the more I end up having to trawl through arguments and hearsay to get an idea of what is going on.

Hi there, thanks for questions :


- When the remaining core game boxes are due to ship out (which last I heard was by the end of January).

End of January is our estimation for Wave 2, we would like to make in the same Wave 3 as long as we will get approval on still-to-approved items.

- Whether these boxes are going to be the original 'Kickstarter' versions or the later 'Reduced Retail' versions.

One of the mistakes we have made was to release Retain (different to KS version. This decision was driven due to huge increase of manufacturing costs (30% up) to the cost we have been quoted in 2013 during KS.
Thus, manufacturer capacity was divided to produce the revised Retail and Kickstarter version at the same time, causing delays. However, all backers are receiving only KS version, we have made optionally available game in Spanish OR German (retail version) to backers, only if they are happy to receive such copy instead of KS one.

- If the latter, how I can submit my request for the free Predator Ship tiles to be shipped with my package.

Tiles are part of wave 2, thus if you have not received wave 1 as of yet it will come with the board game and all available add-ons.

- What models have been approved for release and will be shipped by the end of January in the same package. I'm assuming at least everything currently being sold at retail, but there may be others.

January approval is pending: https://gyazo.com/ba5839422624d71854da14afdf950d16 , Duch, Lin and Young Bloods are still to be approved for Jan: Sentry Guns, Predator Female just been reviewed and awaiting the final green light (samples tick off).

Thanks and sorry for lack of communication, please sing up to newsletter at shop.prodosgames.com for latest news regarding KS releases. Thanks.

How do I go about reporting missing bits? I have an Alien Queen missing a set of her vestigial arms (they have 6 arms, right?)