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**Theophony**

jullevi wrote:I must admit that clampack Griff Oberwald and Varag Choulchewer at £12 each is much cheaper than I expected. Why can't we have this price range in AoS or 40k?

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:That’s a bloody good point on the prices.

Hush both of you

, Someone will agree and write that to GW and they will see the error of their ways and reprice these and everything else up to correct the lost possible sales revenue.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

I do not want that on my conscience, along with the Puppy Kicking and Saying Boo to Geese. Consider me hushed!

Also, for any long term BB fans, I’ve decent copies of Blood Bowl Star Players and Companion from the Astrogranite pitch edition, complete with the Star Player cards.

It’s not really my jam, so looking to move them on to an appreciative home.

PM for me a chat

**Baxx**

Here is my review of the new book:

Loads of old stuff, refreshed for BB2020 edition. That's good for those of us who actually invested time and money into getting stuff like the Giant. This book opens up extreme flexibility, generalizing and streamlining much of the rules. Other rules are reprinted almost as-is. The custom Mercenary character creation rules will allow anyone to field (almost) anything, in addition to star players. You could probably recreate a lot of the lost stars with these rules if you want, and induce them as mercenaries instead (on top of all the BB2020 stars).

If you want to go extreme, a team like Ogre can field a lot of big guys now, both on and off the pitch! 6 from the team, Morg, Deeproot, Giant, Freebooter Mercenary Big Guy. That's 10 ST 5+ Mighty Blow +1 (and 3 of them with Mighty Blow +2). Could also add a Firebelly Wizard and even an Ogre referee.

Quality is overall quite good. Few mistakes and errors (as I managed to spot so far anyway).

Universal changes:
- Team restrictions are updated according to BB2020 categories, so in general a lot of stuff is available to many more teams now. For example Chaos Dwarf can now take Waaagh! Drummer (previously Orc only), Master of Ballistics (previously Humies only) and Kari Coldsteel. It feels odd, but makes thing more accessible at least (for those who want it).
- All existing named referees are now "Biased Referees" with cost and availability.

Various minor changes I noticed (so far):
- Team Mascot: Nerfed to 5+ (instead of 4+).
- Warpstone Brazier: Massively Obese gives +1 AV instead of Thick Skull.
- Kari: Counts as 3 cheerleaders (instead of 2).
- Galandril: -10 cost. Gives +D3 Cheerleaders (if the team already having at least 1) instead of doubling the amount. Gain re-roll on a 15+ when rolling for Prayers to Nuffle (instead of 6+ whenever scoring a TD, Intercept or inflict Casualty).
- Papa: Favour of the Gods (8) now gives 2 mutations instead of picking any result.
- Krot: -10 cost. What is Really Stupid (4+)? Really Stupid (5+)? That's not how Really Stupid works.
- Fink: +40 cost. Can only re-roll a single Bribe. No longer counts as 3 Assistant Coaches.
- Wizards (universal): Spells are mostly cast in the opponent's turn (start/end) instead of your own.
- Chaos Sorcerer: Rampant Mutation now lasts for the drive (instead of 1 round).
- Slann Mage Priest: +50 cost. Gains Temporal Distortion (same as Asur High Mage) as an additional 3rd spell. Tectonic Shift is replaced by -1 GFI.
- Horticulturalist: Strange Flora changed to Strange Fauna (haha). Hits on 3+ (instead of 4+). Cannot hit prone players.
- Sports Necrotheurge: Vanhalables Dans Macabre affects line positionals (instead of skeletons & zombies) and you must choose one of the stats (MA, AG, AV) to improve instead of all.
- Warlock Engineer: +30 cost. Gain Thunderbolt as a 2nd spell. Warp Lightning hits on 3+, gains Mighty Blow and is otherwise simplified to only hit players in the line.
- Firebelly: Column of Fire can now also be cast at the end of the opposing turn.
- Night Goblin: Foot of Gork (or Mork) can now kick or stomp. Stomp is heavily simplified. Kick is throwing the player (wildly inaccurate). Spore Cloud is boosted to inflict Loner (5+).
- Horatio: Finally balanced! Only works once per match.
- Waaagh! Drummer: Triggers on 4+ (instead of 6+). Only pushed 1 square (instead of D3). The same player can be pushed multiple times.
- Cavorting Nurglings: -10 cost. 0-3 (instead of 0-1). +1 Fan Factor
- Runesmith: +20 cost. Mighty Blow (instead of +1ST). Sprint & Sure Feet (instead of +2MA). Dauntless & Frienzy (not Mighty Blow).
- Bottles of Heady Brew: Available to all Tier 3 teams.
- Halfling Hot Pot: +20 cost (any team), -20 cost (halfling, classic).
- Giant: -50 cost. Mercenary (no longer Star Player). Gained Break Tackle. -1AG. Mighty Blow (+2) (instead of +1). Clarifications on what happens if falling over while moving over other players.
- Sponsorships: Modifiers changed. The threshold is set to 20 for all types (one-time, ongoing and major). Ongoing sponsorships now randomizes among those players eligible to play next match when inflicting MNG.
- Stadia: Astrogranite bounce is in a single direction like Ice (instead of extra bounce). Solid Stone is +1 to AV rolls (instead of Injury rolls). Apathetic Officials: Clarified that unspent bribe transfers to next half. Desperate Exposure: D6x10 income (instead of D3x10). Broadcast Studio: Discount also applies to Mercenaries, Wizards (named), (In)Famous Coaching Staff, Mercenaries and Biased Referees. On-site Apothecaries: Gives Mortuary Assistant or Plague Doctor to teams that can't take Apothecary (instead of re-roll). Bunch of Pacifists: Re-roll Pitch Invasion. Pushed into the Crowd only ignores Injury on a 4+. Fair Weather Fans: Changed to Fickle Fans. The ball is always thrown back in during the last turn of the half.
- Unusual Balls: Goblin lost access to using 3 in one game. All balls are no longer team-specific, instead pick any ball or randomize.

**Nora**

Baxx wrote:
Here is my review of the new book:

Loads of old stuff, refreshed for BB2020 edition. That's good for those of us who actually invested time and money into getting stuff like the Giant. This book opens up extreme flexibility, generalizing and streamlining much of the rules. Other rules are reprinted almost as-is. The custom Mercenary character creation rules will allow anyone to field (almost) anything, in addition to star players. You could probably recreate a lot of the lost stars with these rules if you want, and induce them as mercenaries instead (on top of all the BB2020 stars).

If you want to go extreme, a team like Ogre can field a lot of big guys now, both on and off the pitch! 6 from the team, Morg, Deeproot, Giant, Freebooter Mercenary Big Guy. That's 10 ST 5+ Mighty Blow +1 (and 3 of them with Mighty Blow +2). Could also add a Firebelly Wizard and even an Ogre referee.

Quality is overall quite good. Few mistakes and errors (as I managed to spot so far anyway).

Universal changes:
- Team restrictions are updated according to BB2020 categories, so in general a lot of stuff is available to many more teams now. For example Chaos Dwarf can now take Waaagh! Drummer (previously Orc only), Master of Ballistics (previously Humies only) and Kari Coldsteel. It feels odd, but makes thing more accessible at least (for those who want it).
- All existing named referees are now "Biased Referees" with cost and availability.

Various minor changes I noticed (so far):
- Team Mascot: Nerfed to 5+ (instead of 4+).
- Warpstone Brazier: Massively Obese gives +1 AV instead of Thick Skull.
- Kari: Counts as 3 cheerleaders (instead of 2).
- Galandril: -10 cost. Gives +D3 Cheerleaders (if the team already having at least 1) instead of doubling the amount. Gain re-roll on a 15+ when rolling for Prayers to Nuffle (instead of 6+ whenever scoring a TD, Intercept or inflict Casualty).
- Papa: Favour of the Gods (8) now gives 2 mutations instead of picking any result.
- Krot: -10 cost. What is Really Stupid (4+)? Really Stupid (5+)? That's not how Really Stupid works.
- Fink: +40 cost. Can only re-roll a single Bribe. No longer counts as 3 Assistant Coaches.
- Wizards (universal): Spells are mostly cast in the opponent's turn (start/end) instead of your own.
- Chaos Sorcerer: Rampant Mutation now lasts for the drive (instead of 1 round).
- Slann Mage Priest: +50 cost. Gains Temporal Distortion (same as Asur High Mage) as an additional 3rd spell. Tectonic Shift is replaced by -1 GFI.
- Horticulturalist: Strange Flora changed to Strange Fauna (haha). Hits on 3+ (instead of 4+). Cannot hit prone players.
- Sports Necrotheurge: Vanhalables Dans Macabre affects line positionals (instead of skeletons & zombies) and you must choose one of the stats (MA, AG, AV) to improve instead of all.
- Warlock Engineer: +30 cost. Gain Thunderbolt as a 2nd spell. Warp Lightning hits on 3+, gains Mighty Blow and is otherwise simplified to only hit players in the line.
- Firebelly: Column of Fire can now also be cast at the end of the opposing turn.
- Night Goblin: Foot of Gork (or Mork) can now kick or stomp. Stomp is heavily simplified. Kick is throwing the player (wildly inaccurate). Spore Cloud is boosted to inflict Loner (5+).
- Horatio: Finally balanced! Only works once per match.
- Waaagh! Drummer: Triggers on 4+ (instead of 6+). Only pushed 1 square (instead of D3). The same player can be pushed multiple times.
- Cavorting Nurglings: -10 cost. 0-3 (instead of 0-1). +1 Fan Factor
- Runesmith: +20 cost. Mighty Blow (instead of +1ST). Sprint & Sure Feet (instead of +2MA). Dauntless & Frienzy (not Mighty Blow).
- Bottles of Heady Brew: Available to all Tier 3 teams.
- Halfling Hot Pot: +20 cost (any team), -20 cost (halfling, classic).
- Giant: -50 cost. Mercenary (no longer Star Player). Gained Break Tackle. -1AG. Mighty Blow (+2) (instead of +1). Clarifications on what happens if falling over while moving over other players.
- Sponsorships: Modifiers changed. The threshold is set to 20 for all types (one-time, ongoing and major). Ongoing sponsorships now randomizes among those players eligible to play next match when inflicting MNG.
- Stadia: Astrogranite bounce is in a single direction like Ice (instead of extra bounce). Solid Stone is +1 to AV rolls (instead of Injury rolls). Apathetic Officials: Clarified that unspent bribe transfers to next half. Desperate Exposure: D6x10 income (instead of D3x10). Broadcast Studio: Discount also applies to Mercenaries, Wizards (named), (In)Famous Coaching Staff, Mercenaries and Biased Referees. On-site Apothecaries: Gives Mortuary Assistant or Plague Doctor to teams that can't take Apothecary (instead of re-roll). Bunch of Pacifists: Re-roll Pitch Invasion. Pushed into the Crowd only ignores Injury on a 4+. Fair Weather Fans: Changed to Fickle Fans. The ball is always thrown back in during the last turn of the half.
- Unusual Balls: Goblin lost access to using 3 in one game. All balls are no longer team-specific, instead pick any ball or randomize.

Hi
I just looked at an overview of the new additional rules and what stuck me was how dirty cheap and good the mercenaries seams to be. If I under stood it correctly you can use your Petty Cash to by these similar to other inducements, and the price is similar to what a standard player with the respective stat-line would cost (with the disadvantage to have loner). For example an elf (6,3,2+,3+,8+) for 70k. And then you can by additional skills. This is much better payoff than buying additional Re-Rolls or Coaches etc there the inducement price is typically twice the normal price. Also, for the low-cost-linemen teams this will super good there you get the hiring cost back as petty cash in the same time as this can be spend on requiting 2-3 payer with traits that you lacks the most.

**Baxx**

Yeah, you are right, it should be possible to get some excellent elf players or blodge allrounders here. Need to investigate further on what's possible to do here. Here's one experiment, trying to recreate Griff (didn't get that far):
4,4,4,6+,9+ Blodger for 140. Can be improved to MA 6 for a total of 190. A ST4 Blodger for 140 sounds quite nice. Tempted to give Stand Firm for +30, would be a real pain in the ass.

Was successfully able to recreate Bo Gallanté (160k), but at a much higher cost! The equivalent mercenary would be 270k!
Flint Churnblade (130k) can now be perfectly recreated as a Mercenary at 140k. Slibli (250k) recreated at 260k.

Some of those custom mercenary options were on the other hand awful. A big guy (130k) can be given Ball & Chain for +80k, that's a lot for a ST7 secret weapon. The blocker (70k) can be given Ball & Chain for +90k.

**Mr_Rose**

Some of these options are clearly “for the lols” type because someone will have the means and the madness to try it sometime.

Also, an ambitious league commissioner might be tempted to make up a fixed set of mercs for the league using these rules, rather than allowing free customisation every game. Would also certainly speed things up for a weekend tourney.

**Zetan**

Just noticed that Deeproot Strongbranch, Willow Rosebark, Skrull Halfheight, Zolcath The Zoat, and Eldril Sidewinder are now showing Sold Out (not just Temporarily out of Stock) on Forgeworld. The only other time I can remember Forgeworld discontinuing star players is when the new box came out and released plastic versions of the same characters... could this be a sign that plastic versions of more stuff is coming?

Seems really weird otherwise... especially since some of them (like Zolcath and Skrull) are so recent. I'm a little disappointed; I was hoping to pick those up at some point, but never had the money at the same time as they were in stock. I would absolutely jump on a plastic release... can you imagine if they released a plastic box with a whole bunch of star players in it?

**Mr_Rose**

Nah, they’re probably just changing the packaging. Gretchen Wächter has a new style paper insert, with the blue and red slashes across the top and bottom, contrasted with the old grey with black cracked border. As the old style stock depletes, they’ll run off a new batch with new artwork which will have a new SKU for logistical purposes if nothing else, which means a new store entry.

**Baxx**

An unfortunate change for Necromantic is the Farblast & Sons sponsorship, as their only line players are Zombies with PA '-', so if given Bombardier, they can only fumble the bomb! All other teams can at least attempt to pass it (except Elven teams which are prohibited from using this dwarven tech). In order for Necromantic to be able to fulfill the slogan "blast things that are very far away", a zombie needs to save up at least 18 SPP, and then roll a 8-14 for random characteristics (less than 44%). That's never going to happen :(

**Mr_Rose**

A roll of 16 is free choice any characteristic so it’s actually 50%.

Besides, suicide bombzies sound hilarious. Model one up with a bomb instead of a head!

**Danny76**

Theophony wrote:
jullevi wrote:I must admit that clampack Griff Oberwald and Varag Choulchewer at £12 each is much cheaper than I expected. Why can't we have this price range in AoS or 40k?

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:That’s a bloody good point on the prices.

Hush both of you , Someone will agree and write that to GW and they will see the error of their ways and reprice these and everything else up to correct the lost possible sales revenue.

I’d love to say it’s a test, and that they want to see if characters sell better at this price.

But in reality even then they’d think, oh they sold well put the price up rather than they sold well make more for the same price

If only more for BB, and maybe Necro characters and all that came out at these prices.
I guess it’s just because the box recouped a lot of the costs, is that still available with all the extra? I guess they can’t sell these expensive when you can just buy that box?

**Baxx**

Mr_Rose wrote:
A roll of 16 is free choice any characteristic so it’s actually 50%.

Besides, suicide bombzies sound hilarious. Model one up with a bomb instead of a head!

Yeah it is funny, but also tier 4 bad (even worse than goblin bomma or snotling fungus flinga).

**Baxx**

Mr_Rose wrote:

The dugouts are the new “actually useable” size they just invented and now actually fit in the box properly. The pitch itself will be identical.

You are right, the rural idyllic pitch rules was actually identical this time, that's not been the case for the previous re-release updating subterranean stadium conditions to BB2020 edition (and several others now in Death Zone 2021).

**Ancient Otter**

I see the 12 model Naggaroth Nightmares box is listed as both sold out and no longer available online, anyone know anything about that?

**Chopstick**

Reboxed for new season, old box : black border, new box : blue and red stripe..

**Orlanth**

Not paid attention to Blood Bowl for a while now, someone explain, is the revamping a means to Age of Sigmarify the background or is it still set in it's original alt-warhammer world.

**Chopstick**

They wouldn't be called "orc" ,"elf" , "dwarf" or "lizardmen" in Age of Sigmar.

**Ancient Otter**

Chopstick wrote:
Reboxed for new season, old box : black border, new box : blue and red stripe..

I thought the 12 figure boxes were the re-boxed teams, guess I was wrong.

**Dysartes**

Orlanth wrote:
Not paid attention to Blood Bowl for a while now, someone explain, is the revamping a means to Age of Sigmarify the background or is it still set in it's original alt-warhammer world.

We're still in the Blood Bowl version of the Old World, fortunately.

**Sunny Side Up**

Dysartes wrote:
Orlanth wrote:
Not paid attention to Blood Bowl for a while now, someone explain, is the revamping a means to Age of Sigmarify the background or is it still set in it's original alt-warhammer world.

We're still in the Blood Bowl version of the Old World, fortunately.

Um, no. Blood Bowl isn't and never was set in the Old World.

It's always been an alternate timeline / universe around Roze-El, the first BB game and all that.

**Olthannon**

I mean it is still set in the Old World, all the locations and races are the same. Its just that Orcs and Dwarves fighting a battle found a pigskin and awoke Nuffle. Everyone decided Blood Bowl was a way to settle their differences instead of fighting. Hooray.

**Dysartes**

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Dysartes wrote:
Orlanth wrote:
Not paid attention to Blood Bowl for a while now, someone explain, is the revamping a means to Age of Sigmarify the background or is it still set in it's original alt-warhammer world.

We're still in the Blood Bowl version of the Old World, fortunately.

Um, no. Blood Bowl isn't and never was set in the Old World.

It's always been an alternate timeline / universe around Roze-El, the first BB game and all that.

Glad I specifically stated that this was the "Blood Bowl version of the Old World" then - not just "the Old World".

The BB-verse has always taken the Old World as a frame, then stapled the Blood Bowl aspects over the top - you have the same factions/nations/powers/races, plus Nuffle. High Elves are still based in Ulthuan, Dark Elves in Naggaroth (hence the name of the Nightmares), etc, etc.

Read what people actually write before trying to correct them, dude - especially in terms of the question I was answering.

**Baxx**

Went through the new Black Orc & Imperial Nobility cards, turns out GW is now copying existing cards from other teams. That's just lazy. If they gonna have the same card for multiple factions, what's the point of faction decks? Isn't that what the universal cards are for?

"I Wouldn't Drink That" (Black Orcs Random Events) and "Half-Time Snack Sabotage" (Skaven Dirty Tricks):
A random opposing player cannot be set-up this drive.

Skaven got the worst version as theirs can only be used at the start of the 2nd half. Black Orcs can use theirs at the start of any drive.

**Dysartes**

Frank'n'Stein Preview

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Another amazingly characterful model. Love it!

**Baxx**

New FAQ is up:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/?fbclid=IwAR0SxQhpOGzBFZUH-Cdae69kiqJbtNCKcW07lpeD1TjxKDwC_9ot21j0Ja8#blood-bowl

**Mr_Rose**

Great! Looks like they either directly answered or otherwise addressed almost every question I submitted. More or less the way I expected, mostly, as well.

**Dysartes**

Huh - the This Week in Warhammer video seems to have gone live a bit early on YouTube.

Why have it linked it here? MTO for High Elves and Vampire Counts are confirmed within it...

**Mr_Rose**

Oh, MTO… had me going for a second there.
Still, hope that means new stuff coming soonish.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Yeah previous teams to go MTO went plastic pretty quickly afterward.

Been looking forward to seeing what GW does with the redesign of High Elves, hopefully not long to go now.

I'll be skipping both mind, Vampires is a weird one, I'll probably only ever have one team and I'll wait for the plastic redesign and High Elves in my mind were one of the worst looking teams of 3rd edition.