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 filbert wrote:

Fantastic strawman. I didn't mention anything about kitbashing and it has nothing to do with what I am saying. Nor am I saying that you can't have an old team play a new team - I am merely suggesting that it will be hard, and in most cases will look crap where new models are mixed with old. We have seen the same thing in 40K and Fantasy. How many old style Terminator models do you see mixed in with new style ones? Not because the aesthetic has changed (and in fact, for Terminators, old and new are very similar) but because the old ones look stupid and out of scale when mixed with new. It is the same case here; for those of us who may have wanted to use the opportunity of newly released models to bolster and augment existing teams now cannot as the scale difference prohibits it.

My Deathwing army has few 2nd edition metal Terminators mixed with AoBR, DV and regular plastic Termies. When put on same 40mm base they don't really stand out much, pose is bit more static and compact, that is.
In 40K of course size of the model has direct effect on game play because of TLOS, that is one thing which discourages some people using old smaller models.

 Mymearan wrote:


Much more likely is that they have upped the scale because they did it with all the rest of their miniatures, and that they did that because they think it looks good, just like the rest of the industry is going bigger and bigger. Most new games are doing GW scale or bigger, even going up to 35-40mm in some cases. When was the last time you saw a new 25mm game? Bigger models are easier on the eyes, can have more detail and are easier to paint. It doesn't really have to be more complicated than that... upping scale by a couple of mm would be a very roundabout way to try to increase sales of new models. When they changed from 25mm to 32mm bases and were asked why, their reason was that some designer had thought it would look better and everyone agreed, so they did it. No reason why that wouldn't be true.

And the new Epic will be 8mm.

Based on the interview that the Head of Specialist Games gave when Skulls and Ones asked, this is exactly the reason they when with a larger scale. Aestetics... pure and simple. If they really wanted to screw everyone over, they would have gone with a SMALLER scale, so that your teams don't fit on the board.
I've played a couple of games on the 40mmx40mm fields that Impact produces... the game feels much more like American football to me.

They might make Epic at 10mm... same scale as Dropzone Commander.

Adeptus Titanicus is rumored to be 8mm in scale, and I think if they release anything other than Titans/Knights later it will match that.

I don't think the scale adjustment is a huge problem for any of these, personally!

 Mymearan wrote:
? Bigger models are easier on the eyes, can have more detail and are easier to paint.

Well apart from different scale better for different uses(15mm, 10mm and 6mm are all vastly superior to 28mm in terms of visualizing big battles) the easier to paint is extremely dubious 15mm is easier to paint than 28mm, 10mm easier than 15mm and 6mm is by far easiest to paint. Not sure why 32mm would make it easier then...Especially as bigger models tend to require more from blending, freehanding etc advanced techniques to make them look good.

 filbert wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 filbert wrote:

Because the scale increase automatically invalidates every single existing team, both GW and third party, that exist out there. Because you won't be able to mix the new with the old.

You'd better tell all of the people who have kitbashed teams or players from current models that they're doing it wrong and those slightly larger models cannot be mixed with old Blood Bowl sized minis because it invalidates them.

Fantastic strawman. I didn't mention anything about kitbashing and it has nothing to do with what I am saying. Nor am I saying that you can't have an old team play a new team - I am merely suggesting that it will be hard, and in most cases will look crap where new models are mixed with old. We have seen the same thing in 40K and Fantasy. How many old style Terminator models do you see mixed in with new style ones?

You stated that models which are slightly larger "automatically invalidates" all existing teams - I'm pointing out that people have been playing with models exactly the same size as the new ones for ages without a problem so clearly your statement was ridiculous hyperbole.

Quite apart from the size change I've no idea why you expected that old stuff would match. The aesthetic has changed substantially since then. I mean, look at the human team - every iteration of them has been different enough that the minis don't really match.

The Orc teamm is even more striking - modern Orcs look nothing like '90s Orcs. Were you expecting Orcs with skinny legs and big grins?

We're talking about models that are 20 years old and, let's be honest, the Gary Morley blood bowl minis were pretty bad. How many models from that time period (40K 2nd edition) could fit nicely into an army of modern minis? Especially Morley models...

 filbert wrote:
Because the scale increase automatically invalidates every single existing team, both GW and third party, that exist out there.

Willy miniatures, Rolljordan and RNe Studios already make miniatures to that new larger scale. Starplayer miniatures are in between the old 28 mm scale and the new size. Most miniatures are taller tan original gws and the size disparity is hardly noticeable. Saying it invalidated EVERY 3rd party company is a bit of misnomer.

Also no one has ever looked at me and said..."your minis are too big/small you can't play"

I don't like GW...but this is really looking for a reason to complain.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/28/new-blood-bowl-models-from-forge-world/





EDIT From the Warhammer 40,000 FB page. Although it is in regards to the rerelease of Space Hulk, it most likely applies to Blood Bowl as well

Warhammer 40,000 wrote:This run of Space Hulk is limited again, as all boxed game runs are. By "limited" we simply mean there are only so many copies of it available. If you want it, get it as soon as you can!

Put together my box set today, first time putting together GW models in about 15 years. I see why people rate their plastics so highly now, so easy to put together, I love how everything just effortlessly interlocks and fits like a glove , step by step numbering on the sprues , very little mould lines to remove, impressive levels of detail....hard plastic that doesnt feel cheap just all around great. I assume the skaven will go together just as nicely if the postman delivers tomorrow.

Makes me wish other company's could engineer their sculpts to go together this well. I guess they will catch up eventually? Everything went together in probably less than 2 hours....no way can I put that many together that many models from other manufacturers in that time frame. I usually find construction of models the least enjoyable part of this hobby, the way the stuff went together today I actually kinda enjoyed it. Looking forward to getting some paint on 'em next weekend!

It takes a boatload of money to engineer plastic molds that effective that can use that hard plastic.

And for a while GW was the only company that had that boatload of money to spend.

Hard for other companies to come up with the funding.

Loving the ref models, since the starter set is lacking in character its nice to have fluffy models like this to bring in that goofy element. Can't wait to see what else FW does for the game.

I however have yet to get the starter box, kind of regretting blowing all my money on the heresy stuff a little while back.

A troll and some goblins wouldn't hurt, would it?

Why isn't that halfling fat!
GW have destroyed my immersion!

Joyboozer wrote:
Why isn't that halfling fat!
GW have destroyed my immersion!

He's got to be fit enough to run away from the angry players (and fans) whenever he calls a foul

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Gotta say, the dwarf team is my least favorite so far. They look the most AoSified and the one on the top left has weird stuff going on around his eyes. The NMM scheme certainly isn't doing the sculpts any good either. The linemen and blitzer at least look fairly decent though.

Since when did slayers wear helmets, let alone ones to guard their mohawks....thats how you know its AoS. Thats no troll slayer! its a fyreslayer !

And since when did having slayers on a team make sense at all?
They're supposed to be wandering loners, their oath making them effectively dead in the eyes of polite dwarf society; to a traditional dwarf, seeing a slayer is equivalent to seeing a corpse walking around.
Plus their sole goal in what remains of their lives is to absolve their mortal sins with a suitably glorious death.

Hanging out with your buddies, playing team sports, and accumulating fame is exactly what a dwarf shamed to the point of suicide should not be doing.

Or, in other words, the Blood Bowl universe runs on its own rules, with precious little recourse to the "rules" of the Old World.




As for the armour, I love it. It's exactly what a sports team made of dwarves should be wearing: perfectly fitted and engineered for maximum utility within the context of the sport.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
And since when did having slayers on a team make sense at all?
They're supposed to be wandering loners, their oath making them effectively dead in the eyes of polite dwarf society; to a traditional dwarf, seeing a slayer is equivalent to seeing a corpse walking around.
Plus their sole goal in what remains of their lives is to absolve their mortal sins with a suitably glorious death.

Hanging out with your buddies, playing team sports, and accumulating fame is exactly what a dwarf shamed to the point of suicide should not be doing.

Or, in other words, the Blood Bowl universe runs on its own rules, with precious little recourse to the "rules" of the Old World.




As for the armour, I love it. It's exactly what a sports team made of dwarves should be wearing: perfectly fitted and engineered for maximum utility within the context of the sport.

Really? Slayers are one of the most iconic images of Warhammer and since BB was always in its own lil' Warhammer universe it works that all these types of races fit. Some have rules: loner. Hell, Vampires play during sunny weather. But maybe you were just having a laugh.

 reds8n wrote:
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Heh. I just figured everyone saw them when Lady Atia posted them three days ago...

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1417

Those dwarfs look rubbish

Not a fan of the dwarves either =/. I thought the render teased a while back looked awesome, but these don't seem to match that?

Are these plastic or resin ala FW?

They are FW IIRC .

On the topic of scale, it makes things quite difficult when trying to convert the doubled monopose miniatures, where do you get bits that fit correctly at that scale?
One of the great things about blood bowl was personalising your team using models or bits from the fantasy range.

I'm not sure who is sculpting the models, but the referees are guaranteed resin from FW. The dwarfs however are likely to be a plastic kit in the same format as the recent Skaven team.

 MangoMadness wrote:
Those dwarfs look rubbish

Could just be the colors. There's something over the top about that slayer though, I really don't like the beard.

The Slayer model tells much about the sturdiness of Dwarven beards - they can even use them as coil springs!

BB was the first of the new FW plastics. Nice...

Damn. Took a few looks to get used to the new Dwarf proportions (as a 90s dwarf player that favoured Marauder sculpts I'm used to a beard with boots, gloves and helmet stuck to it) but I think I really like these.
If the AoS Duardin are going to look like this I might be in trouble.


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Joyboozer wrote:
On the topic of scale, it makes things quite difficult when trying to convert the doubled monopose miniatures, where do you get bits that fit correctly at that scale?
One of the great things about blood bowl was personalising your team using models or bits from the fantasy range.

I haven't opened my box yet but I assume the Orcs will still be easy enough. Not sure if you'd need to look at Brutes or if they are more black orc sized in terms of arms etc.

Humans you'd probably have to go with old marauders or the blood nouns. Sisters of silence might make a good base for female blitzers.

Dwarves are probably going to be the toughest initially as these look a significant step bigger than even the fairly recent armoured dwarf plastics.

 plastictrees wrote:


I haven't opened my box yet but I assume the Orcs will still be easy enough. Not sure if you'd need to look at Brutes or if they are more black orc sized in terms of arms etc.

The New Orc Giants? :p

Nobz look like they'd be a reasonable approximation. In fantasy equivalents that's black orc sized with the brutes being a bit bigger, isn't it?

Im not really liking this new AoS style of blood bowl players, I was pretty hyped they were bringing it back but none of the new sculpts really do it for me.

I hope some of the Elves look better !