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Rayvon wrote:
I wish I could use third party sculpts, there are indeed some quality ones, but I will be playing at Warhammer World most of the time.

I am also waiting for some extra orc blockers and black orcs to be released as well as the gobbo, not sure why they decided to release star players before they made these.

It seems like a pretty half arsed re release of the game so far to me.

Yeah....that's a bad spot to be in. I'm pretty lucky in that my LGS that does Blood Bowl doesn't care about minis being official or what not, or as an Undead player I'd be screwed. GW doesn't even make anything that remotely resembles a mummy anymore, and their Zombies are hideous (not in a good way).

I will agree that this has been a pretty half-arsed re-release (though I think this isn't the Forgeworld guys fault, they don't seem to be allocated enough resources to do much with it.....in their interviews and the podcasts I listed to with them....they all seemed really excited about it). It would be nice if we could get a new plastic team every other month or so. I don't think they have plans for any more plastic teams beyond the Goblins. Which is kind of odd as Blood Bowl sold very well by all accounts I have heard.

The choice of teams they offered in Season One was really bad too. Three elf teams out of Seven was a bit much, especially considering the Elf Union is an "All-Star" style team and a new one at that. We got no Undead teams of any stripe, and we got Nurgle instead of normal Chaos. I would have imagined the first nine teams would be something like: Humans, Orcs, Dwarves, Dark Elves, High Elves, Skaven, Chaos, Undead, and Lizardmen. That seems that would cover the more popular teams right off the bat (barring Wood Elves....who should have been be an early expansion with that lineup).

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I cannot wait for the Amazons.

Amazons would be awesome, but at this rate I think we are looking at something like 2020......

Goblins in plastic seems a little ridiculous, especially if the special weapons will be resin add-ons.
Oh well, limits my regret for converting a plastic high elf team.

Amazons are the very LAST taem they should bother with.

Not mentioning the5 female teams Shadow Forge makes(Dwarf, Orc, Gridiron girls, dark elf, elf, bunnies) there must be(excluding Gw's piss poor amazon models) a dozen female teams. I use the broad term "female team" because there are dark elf girls, dwarf ladies, etc. And most can be used for say, humans or, whatever.

Look, I have about 2,000(yeas. 2,000+) Blood Bowl/Fantasy Football figures(and I don't even collect sideline staff. But I do have a soft spot for REF figures), and I love new teams. But the amazon thing is played.

They never really look like they may be playing a violent sport. They are ridiculus in their bodily proportions(I'm a FREAK for big tities(as long as they are real), but some of these ladies would have trouble standing up), and they all basically look like they are pole dancing.

I know, I know...They sell. But its played. Lets move on to something new for the game.

Deathroller arrived this morning.. I knew it wasn't going to go on the 32mm.. way too small.. but it seems after putting it together its footprint was too big for even 40mm in my mind, so put it on a 50mm.. which makes not much difference at the end of the day as you still need to get the model on the line no matter how tiny the base is.



And a scale shot to show it next to other players.



I adore the model.. although as with a lot of FW stuff, struggling to see how it warrants a £38 price tag when Morg was £20, but still happy I got it. Might get another if I ever do a second Dwarf team.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Deathroller arrived this morning.. I knew it wasn't going to go on the 32mm.. way too small.. but it seems after putting it together its footprint was too big for even 40mm in my mind, so put it on a 50mm.. which makes not much difference at the end of the day as you still need to get the model on the line no matter how tiny the base is.



And a scale shot to show it next to other players.



I adore the model.. although as with a lot of FW stuff, struggling to see how it warrants a £38 price tag when Morg was £20, but still happy I got it. Might get another if I ever do a second Dwarf team.

oooooooooooooo! thx for posting! Gotta get me a deathroller

I'm thinking I might do a Halfling team in the next local season. Probably use the new medium sized Sylvaneth models for the Treemen and Warmachine Dwarves for the Halflings.

Multiple plastic kits and several resin star players, an expansion book.

Games Workshop have supported Blood Bowl more in the last five months than they for almost all of the 1990s. I don't see this as half-arsed at all. There's a release schedule. We're half a year in. You're simply not going to have got everything you wanted yet. Calm down.

 ekwatts wrote:
Multiple plastic kits and several resin star players, an expansion book.

Games Workshop have supported Blood Bowl more in the last five months than they for almost all of the 1990s. I don't see this as half-arsed at all. There's a release schedule. We're half a year in. You're simply not going to have got everything you wanted yet. Calm down.

The very first two teams they came out with, did not even have enough positionals to make a full team, If i want to make an Orc team, I need to buy two boxes just to get enough blitzers and black orcs, and even then I would have four identical blitzers and four identical black orcs. The has still not been rectified, the first team is still missing players and goblins and yet they are already releasing a fifth team.

This is why it is half arsed, I can appreciate that there is a release schedule and I can cope with having to wait for my team, but it does show that these releases are somewhat shoehorned in at the last minute and not much thought seems to have gone in with it.


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 Sabotage! wrote:


Yeah....that's a bad spot to be in. I'm pretty lucky in that my LGS that does Blood Bowl doesn't care about minis being official or what not, or as an Undead player I'd be screwed. GW doesn't even make anything that remotely resembles a mummy anymore, and their Zombies are hideous (not in a good way).

I will agree that this has been a pretty half-arsed re-release (though I think this isn't the Forgeworld guys fault, they don't seem to be allocated enough resources to do much with it.....in their interviews and the podcasts I listed to with them....they all seemed really excited about it). It would be nice if we could get a new plastic team every other month or so. I don't think they have plans for any more plastic teams beyond the Goblins. Which is kind of odd as Blood Bowl sold very well by all accounts I have heard.

The choice of teams they offered in Season One was really bad too. Three elf teams out of Seven was a bit much, especially considering the Elf Union is an "All-Star" style team and a new one at that. We got no Undead teams of any stripe, and we got Nurgle instead of normal Chaos. I would have imagined the first nine teams would be something like: Humans, Orcs, Dwarves, Dark Elves, High Elves, Skaven, Chaos, Undead, and Lizardmen. That seems that would cover the more popular teams right off the bat (barring Wood Elves....who should have been be an early expansion with that lineup).

The teams they chose do seem pretty random, it would have been easy for them to find out the most popular and it would have made sense to bring them out first, I am a bit gutted that there is no sign of the undead or Necro.

Ah well, thats enough moaning I guess, I am grateful that they re released the game, even if I cannot yet play it !!

It would have made more sense to do boosters for human, orc and Skaven before star players - but it's a bit harsh to call it half arsed just for that.

The thing that worries me is if they're doing human and orc boosters at all, we've heard nothing about them :(

Vorian wrote:


The thing that worries me is if they're doing human and orc boosters at all, we've heard nothing about them :(

I often wondered where this idea of boosters came from, they never did it with any previous versions of the game that im aware of, or any army units either really with the exception of specialists.

Vorian wrote:
It would have made more sense to do boosters for human, orc and Skaven before star players - but it's a bit harsh to call it half arsed just for that.

The thing that worries me is if they're doing human and orc boosters at all, we've heard nothing about them :(

Maybe it is a bit harsh, but the order they are picking the teams seems pretty random as well, which adds to the half arsed ness of it for me !!

stato wrote:

Vorian wrote:


The thing that worries me is if they're doing human and orc boosters at all, we've heard nothing about them :(

I often wondered where this idea of boosters came from, they never did it with any previous versions of the game that im aware of, or any army units either really with the exception of specialists.

The previous versions of the game supplied a full team straight out of the box.

The previous versions of the game supplied a full team straight out of the box.

What do you mean? The 3rd edition sprues came with exactly the same positionals as the new box. But the 3 linemen on each sprue were identical

2nd edition had boosters for certain, 3rd had some as well.. you had the team blisters as well.. (one of my rare items is an old Blood Bowl Team booster) but you could get touch up boosters.. and Star players came that way as well.

 Rayvon wrote:
The previous versions of the game supplied a full team straight out of the box.

Only in the same way the new teams do. The third edition plastic teams were identical in composition to the new edition – two blitzers, two throwers, two catchers, and six linemen for the the humans and two blitzers, two blockers, two throwers and six linemen for the orcs. The metal teams (Gouged Eye and The Marauaders) of the period that came out afterwards were identical in composition except for substituting a third blitzer for a thrower.


The same applies for the other teams – the Skaven got a third gutter runner instead of a thrower, for example; but they were all 12-man. The only team that was full out of the box was the Specialist Games 2004 humans; even the Pro Elves were supplied as a 12-man team.

I understand the frustration that you can't put together your particular orc team owing to a lack of models, but a little conversion work (even a paintjob) on some spare linemen – or picking up some older blocker sculpts, or looking at third-party options – is a small price to pay to have a decent 12-man team from the start.

As with everything, it'll come with time. From what we've heard, GW have been caught a little flat-footed with Blood Bowl's success. It's presumable easier to sculpt and release individual stars – to keep things ticking over – than boosters or full teams, so I'm willing to give them time

pogey wrote:

The previous versions of the game supplied a full team straight out of the box.

What do you mean? The 3rd edition sprues came with exactly the same positionals as the new box. But the 3 linemen on each sprue were identical

In the 2nd edition it was the rings around the bases that denoted the different positions, I did not have to buy two lots of teams or any extra models to complete my teams as I do with the new version.

Plenty of the metal teams I bought came complete with every mini I needed as well.

I was not familiar with 3rd ed, so I was wrong about that one, apologies

stato wrote:

Vorian wrote:


The thing that worries me is if they're doing human and orc boosters at all, we've heard nothing about them :(

I often wondered where this idea of boosters came from, they never did it with any previous versions of the game that im aware of, or any army units either really with the exception of specialists.

The idea comes from the (reasonably reliable) rumour that Skaven are getting a resin booster

Vorian wrote:

stato wrote:

Vorian wrote:


The thing that worries me is if they're doing human and orc boosters at all, we've heard nothing about them :(

I often wondered where this idea of boosters came from, they never did it with any previous versions of the game that im aware of, or any army units either really with the exception of specialists.

The idea comes from the (reasonably reliable) rumour that Skaven are getting a resin booster

The Skaven resin "booster" wasn't just the Rat Ogre, was it?

- There will be a Skaven booster done in Resin but with styles to match the plastic (2-3 new Gutter runners included).

News that came from one of the WHW open days

For Orcs, get a pack of Orruk Brutes. They fit really well as black orcs. Use the original 2 black orcs as blitzers instead.

Or resculpt/convert, orc team is the easiest to work with.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Hand swap with AoS Fellwater Troggoths?

A Fell whatnow?

*searches*

Oh. River Trolls. Right... how could I not know.

LOL, I literally had the same reaction

Great conversion potential in that troll model. Would make a cool Rock Lobber and the goblin can easily be swapped out for other items (nets, rocks, a horse!).

2nd edition came with a full team... Of completely identical, hideously ugly plastics that used coloured rings to denote positions. There's just no comparison with the current version at all, I don't even know why you'd make it.

And I loved 2nd edition.

Sorry, I just feel like some people enjoy complaining (yeah, yeah, welcome to dakka) when this is without a doubt the best-looking Blood bowl we've ever had, using a really good ruleset, and with steady, regular releases planned a year in advance. With 24+(?) teams to get through, no, you aren't necessarily going to get that exact one you want within the first five months of the release schedule. Statistically. Boo hoo. But nothing I've seen sk far suggests that this is half-arsed.

A couple of slightly dodgy resins. Still, boo hoo...

 ekwatts wrote:
2nd edition came with a full team... Of completely identical, hideously ugly plastics that used coloured rings to denote positions. There's just no comparison with the current version at all, I don't even know why you'd make it.

And I loved 2nd edition.

Sorry, I just feel like some people enjoy complaining (yeah, yeah, welcome to dakka) when this is without a doubt the best-looking Blood bowl we've ever had, using a really good ruleset, and with steady, regular releases planned a year in advance. With 24+(?) teams to get through, no, you aren't necessarily going to get that exact one you want within the first five months of the release schedule. Statistically. Boo hoo. But nothing I've seen sk far suggests that this is half-arsed.

A couple of slightly dodgy resins. Still, boo hoo...

Sorry for not agreeing with everything you say and sorry for not liking the things you like.
no need to give it the chlidish boo hoo rubbish though, just disagree.

The 3rd edition teams needed some add-ons if you wanted to run max blitzers etc. But those days you could still order individual metal models and bits from mail-order, so you could easily fill out a team as you pleased,

I personally see no point in buying the current teams since I'd have to use a lot if identical models (I can live with two copies in a team bit no more), so I won't be buying any of the new teams until they come out with some sort of booster models, if ever they do.

I would be open to convert, but the models seem out of scale with anything previously released so that don't seem worth the effort.

 Zywus wrote:
The 3rd edition teams needed some add-ons if you wanted to run max blitzers etc. But those days you could still order individual metal models and bits from mail-order, so you could easily fill out a team as you pleased,

I personally see no point in buying the current teams since I'd have to use a lot if identical models (I can live with two copies in a team bit no more), so I won't be buying any of the new teams until they come out with some sort of booster models, if ever they do.

I would be open to convert, but the models seem out of scale with anything previously released so that don't seem worth the effort.

I think you exaggerate a little bit. As has been mentioned you can take the Orcs and mix them with Brutes to fill out the Black Orcs, they aren't out of scale. The Skaven team is almost full except for the Gutter Runners (you can only take 2 Blitzers and 2 Throwers anyway, which is what comes in the box) and 2 Gutter Runners is a decent starting team (you'll want more over time, but I've won a decent proportion of games just using 2 Gutter Runners) if you really want you can convert the Deathrunners from Silver Tower (you used to be able to get them on ebay reasonably cheap, haven't checked recently).

Not to mention the Dwarf team which comes with 2 Troll Slayers, 2 Runners and 2 Blitzers.... which is all you're allowed to take anyway.

The human team is the only one I don't really know how to expand. If you don't mind the models I suppose you could use Griff and Zug as positionals instead of Star Players.

Personally I'm not overly interested in league play anyway, so I'm happy enough with the teams out of the box and I'm just waiting to see if they release more positionals over time.

Human Blitzers are easy to convert. Just carve the larger bird crest on their helmet out of a piece of plasticard and glue it on and presto.

 AduroT wrote:
Human Blitzers are easy to convert. Just carve the larger bird crest on their helmet out of a piece of plasticard and glue it on and presto.

Yeah, I guess the main reason I don't like that idea is the human blitzers already look too similar to linemen and all the blitzers/linemen have very similar and boring poses But yeah, I guess that could work.

Might not be real news, but the BB troll is already sold out on the U.S. Site

 Theophony wrote:
Might not be real news, but the BB troll is already sold out on the U.S. Site

i hope the shadow wars and blood bowl troll sell out are april fools

 Zywus wrote:
The 3rd edition teams needed some add-ons if you wanted to run max blitzers etc. But those days you could still order individual metal models and bits from mail-order, so you could easily fill out a team as you pleased,

I personally see no point in buying the current teams since I'd have to use a lot if identical models (I can live with two copies in a team bit no more), so I won't be buying any of the new teams until they come out with some sort of booster models, if ever they do.

I would be open to convert, but the models seem out of scale with anything previously released so that don't seem worth the effort.

I pretty much agree with this, back in 2nd ed, I did not mind them all being the same because it was that or nothing, but this latest release seems like its just trying to get us all to buy two lots of teams or models from other ranges to use instead.

I just dont have time for converting, not even cutting weapons off hands, and with the current state of AoS I dont even know which models I am suppose to use as elves anyway !!!



Saying that, I would instantly buy an agility four team as soon as it was released, thankfully the team rosters i use for Elves only have two of each positionals, so I think that would fit with the current GW way of doing things.
I hope it is sooner rather than later too, all these leagues I see have a boatload of slow bashy teams, and most of them seem to be in dire need of having rings ran around them !!

Bloodbowl is coming to Made to Order next weekend