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It's like some people haven't seen beefy farm girls before.

The spider cultists look cute (especially if they can be converted to add some guns), and I agree with HMBC that the star of the box is the mining terrain.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think the assumption that any criticism is just "misogyny" is equally as embarrassing.

I mean... these aren't good minis. They just aren't.

They are up to the shoulders. And then the sculptor's technical skill apparently ran out.
Which has been a long running problem when it comes specifically to female faces (and only female faces) and wargames.

More importantly, what’s this set going to cost

Apparently 210 usd.


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I really hope there is more Warcry on the horizon. I would love to see it expand out of the Eightpoints and give us an opportunity to see what warbands across the realms could look like.

JWBS wrote:
I don't think anyone is trying to say your fetish is wrong, they're just indicating a lack of interest, your mockery seems misplaced here.

Yet you fell right into it; the models aren't supposed to be attractive and evaluating them on those grounds while being oblivious to the double-standard applied is exactly what I am mocking.


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Voss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think the assumption that any criticism is just "misogyny" is equally as embarrassing.

I mean... these aren't good minis. They just aren't.

They are up to the shoulders. And then the sculptor's technical skill apparently ran out.
Which has been a long running problem when it comes specifically to female faces (and only female faces) and wargames.

I think it is worth withholding judgement on the faces because the studio paint job has seriously screwed up decent face sculpts before. A lot. If they actually look like that though I agree.

Dread Master wrote:
Apparently 210 usd.


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I really hope there is more Warcry on the horizon. I would love to see it expand out of the Eightpoints and give us an opportunity to see what warbands across the realms could look like.

Well, that was fun yet stupid optimism on my part. I really don’t need anything beyond my skaven anyway.

Dunno, I'd personally consider them ugly women, about as much as some female bodybuilders I've seen, both in the internet and in real life, back when I was going to a gym.

They also look like they'd use me as a toothpick, so I think they're good enough.


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Voss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think the assumption that any criticism is just "misogyny" is equally as embarrassing.

I mean... these aren't good minis. They just aren't.

They are up to the shoulders. And then the sculptor's technical skill apparently ran out.
Which has been a long running problem when it comes specifically to female faces (and only female faces) and wargames.

That might have to do with the fact that most sculptors really don't have many experience sculpting females, specifically anything other than "regular" pretty ones.

I guess the female Darkoath aren't unfixable. Not sure if they're worth the effort, but then again, GW doesn't exactly have many suitable stand-ins in the current range.

To be fair it's just GW painting their faces like gak again, because they couldn't paint a female face to save their life's

Besides being badly sculpted there's also the issue of being another generic marauder reboot nobody needed. Bad concept and bad execution makes for an all around fail. Spider guys are at least interesting but would benefit from losing the goofy masks.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Besides being badly sculpted there's also the issue of being another generic marauder reboot nobody needed. Bad concept and bad execution makes for an all around fail. Spider guys are at least interesting but would benefit from losing the goofy masks.

Dunno, I'm not really fond of Chaos drow.

I don't dislike the idea of female models. Actually I love them. I'm here waiting for GW to give me a proper female ogre tyrant model that is imposing and fearsome.

But those barbarian chicks are... the heads. Why? Why are they koopas out of the mario bros movie?
The witch is excellent.

 Galas wrote:
I don't dislike the idea of female models. Actually I love them. I'm here waiting for GW to give me a proper female ogre tyrant model that is imposing and fearsome.

But those barbarian chicks are... the heads. Why? Why are they koopas out of the mario bros movie?
The witch is excellent.

Because GW can't paint female faces to save their life. Just look at the Sisters of Battle range. They literally gave some a 5 'o clock shadow.

No no, I know GW doesn't know how to paint female faces (or faces in general) and make perfectly fine heads into abominations.

But this is not a problem of the face but of the heads juts being way too small, and having tiny wasp waists that make no sense for burly barbarian women.

 Galas wrote:
No no, I know GW doesn't know how to paint female faces (or faces in general) and make perfectly fine heads into abominations.

But this is not a problem of the face but of the heads juts being way too small, and having tiny wasp waists that make no sense for burly barbarian women.

To be fair, if they didn't have wasp waists, would anyone be able to tell they're women with the way GW paints women?

They don't have wasp waists, they have bloated upper torsos. That gives the impression that the midsection is more narrow than it should be.

The face of the mini with the black facepaint looks especially small because of that facepaint.
I don't think the face on that mini is amazing by any means but a better paint job would bump it up from terrible to fine.
The leader of the Harrowdeep Stormcast has been much maligned but with a better paint job it's fine.
(Not my painting)

 Galas wrote:
No no, I know GW doesn't know how to paint female faces (or faces in general) and make perfectly fine heads into abominations.

But this is not a problem of the face but of the heads juts being way too small, and having tiny wasp waists that make no sense for burly barbarian women.

I don't think there is an anatomical problem in principle. Even a buff girl would have a comparably narrow waist because muscles there don't add much width. Not starved fashion model thin, but not massively bulked out either. As His Master's Voice points out, this is exaggerated by arm poses that require the back muscles that extend over the sides to flare out and add to the width of the upper body, thereby creating the impression that the waist is narrower than it really is. You'll find that this also works in favor of people arguing that they look like dudes since the buffed up waist creates less of a contrast with the hips, another area which only builds up moderate bulk through workout, leading into massively bulked out legs. This has a way of closing the gap between (idealized) male and female silhouette and at least if you scale them down to miniature size, it's not that easy to tell the difference anymore.

It's really quite cool when you think about it, the models looking too feminine and not feminine enough at the same time.

As for the heads, they're kind of realistically sized. If you expect the Games Workshop trademark of overly exaggerated heads and see these new models, it's easy to call out pinhead syndrome. But seeing as how GW has scaled head size back over the years (at least partially anyway), combined with releasing more female models that are sculpted to look smaller than their male counterparts to help get the feminine appearance across, I don't find the new Darkoath unrealistic. It's mostly that GW still has a lot of exaggeration in their sculpts. The style is still firmly super buff dudes with humongous weapons. Introducing less exaggerated parts into the mix that have traditionally not been as small, especially prominent ones like heads that naturally draw the look to them, has a way of looking wrong when it's technically the other way around.

Bwahahahahaha. Is this sculptor being paid by the disappointment? I'm surprised the people who are into that sort of thing are defending this, I would have thought they'd be the most let down by the terrible job they did making muscular women.

Clearly they have been mutated by chaos... Especially the one on the left.

 warboss wrote:
Clearly they have been mutated by chaos... Especially the one on the left.

I think she just bit into a lemon.

 frankelee wrote:
Bwahahahahaha. Is this sculptor being paid by the disappointment? I'm surprised the people who are into that sort of thing are defending this, I would have thought they'd be the most let down by the terrible job they did making muscular women.

Up to the neck, they look to be reasonable sculpts - I'll reserve judgement on the heads until someone else has had hold of them, but the head/necks do look odd in these pictures.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Clearly they have been mutated by chaos... Especially the one on the left.

I think she just bit into a lemon.

The bag of lemons must be hanging from a tree to build up and stretch her neck like criminals do when training pitbulls for illegal dogfights.

The shoulders on several of the female models are just too wide. Seriously. Any debate over hyper muscled or realistically muscled aside those shoulders are too wide. I have NO PROBLEM with muscular warrior women. Seriously. In fact I now feel morally compelled to make a set of barbarian females JUST to prove it can be done well. No offense intended toward the artists who worked on this set. I understand what they were going for and they were also working within the GW aesthetic which as it's own rules that must be followed in order to maintain the " Warhammer " look. But I just don't think worked out well for these female models.

IMHO: the only thing looking really off is the really long neck of the woman to the left - or actually her right shoulder joint not working properly... When raising your arm above your head the shoulder muscle ought to contact with (and cover) the ear - and on this mini it doesent even reach the cheek. Easy fix though.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Besides being badly sculpted there's also the issue of being another generic marauder reboot nobody needed. Bad concept and bad execution makes for an all around fail. Spider guys are at least interesting but would benefit from losing the goofy masks.

We did need a generic marauder reboot--that's what we've been missing. The other warbands all have specific themes, something that is just plain tribesmen was absolutely a hole in the range. The current marauder kit is basically a joke at this point, these provide something of a replacement.

 solkan wrote:
It's like some people haven't seen beefy farm girls before.

Most of us don't raise crops in Pripyat.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The current marauder kit is basically a joke at this point...

Yeah?

Coz I don't see nobody laughin'.



But yeah, the idea that nobody needed models for the regular northern barbarians that have had a presence in Warhammer for decades is questionable.

Preorder next week they didn’t waste any time getting it out

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/31/sunday-preview-time-to-reap-the-red-harvest/

A release this fast to me sound like something went wrong with another product and they had to fill the gap.

Only one day since they showed Red Harvest off and they haven't talked about those 40k books before either as far as I remember right?