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The discussion is a bit muddy. There are entirely legitimate criticisms regarding heroic scale, proportions, realism, etc. Some individuals are and have been raising them in regards to the whole band, others are raising the same but only seem to be bringing it up because there are females involved, and finally some are just applying a clear double standard. It creates a confused mess of legitimate criticism being applied both fairly and unfairly.

So just out of curiosity, I did a google search for Largest female body builders" the following pictures came up. Now i have no other knowledge of the photos other than that... so i dont know if photoshop, or other shenanigans... but the photos arent that far from the miniatures... other than the weirdness of the spear one, which may or may not be the angle.

Arguments have been made about shoulder width, neck size, and waist size... but again these pictures kind of have all the same issues... And on the one lady, her head could be argued looks male... This obviously is not a strong argument as I have no idea if the photos are real women... but I can see what the sculptor was going for based on pics like these.

Note: Pictures not meant to offend anyone.

Edit: And Lady one has obviously had breast implants if the picture is in fact real. Lady 2, (picture 3) her head looks like it was sculpted too small, but does look more feminine that lady 1.

As worshippers of Chaos - anatomy is only a optional ground rule that is discarded whenever their patron decides they are deserving of a reward...

See none of those have a head smaller than their neck.

Spear lady's neck does look large. Not especially in the picture from the other angle, but again, it will be interesting to see her in hand. Or unpainted.

 Mr Morden wrote:
As worshippers of Chaos - anatomy is only a optional ground rule that is discarded whenever their patron decides they are deserving of a reward...

Pretty much, but to be fair, the Darkoath Savagers are very tame on physical mutations so far. They're not following the same path than Chaos warriors the same way.

 nels1031 wrote:
Also, speaking of terrain, if anyone is getting this boxed set, avoid gluing pieces together until you've seen all possibilities for that particular piece.

Did a quick Google search and this information is literally the first result.

I have two sets of the original Warcry terrain that I've yet to put together. Thanks for the warning!

chaos0xomega wrote:
Any indication if the terrain will be sold separately yet? I don't want to buy 3+ copies of this box if I don't have to.

They'll probably split the terrain into two separate boxes, and some of it won't ever come out. And it'll be months from now.

Very annoying.

In any case, I hope that this thread is an indication that there will soon be plentiful and cheap Darkoath barbarians available on Ebay due all the people who don't like the models but want loads of the terrain.

 Crimson wrote:
In any case, I hope that this thread is an indication that there will soon be plentiful and cheap Darkoath barbarians available on Ebay due all the people who don't like the models but want loads of the terrain.

Agreed. There is currently only one on ebay, listed for $80... But Im keeping my eyes open.

There's already terrain on eBay. Where d'ya think mine is coming from?

 Smokestack wrote:
So just out of curiosity, I did a google search for Largest female body builders" the following pictures came up. Now i have no other knowledge of the photos other than that... so i dont know if photoshop, or other shenanigans... but the photos arent that far from the miniatures... other than the weirdness of the spear one, which may or may not be the angle.

Arguments have been made about shoulder width, neck size, and waist size... but again these pictures kind of have all the same issues... And on the one lady, her head could be argued looks male... This obviously is not a strong argument as I have no idea if the photos are real women... but I can see what the sculptor was going for based on pics like these.

Note: Pictures not meant to offend anyone.

Edit: And Lady one has obviously had breast implants if the picture is in fact real. Lady 2, (picture 3) her head looks like it was sculpted too small, but does look more feminine that lady 1.

Second women is an obvious Photoshop, and im not sure the first one is legit. A much more credible source is the miss olympia winners and finalists

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There's already terrain on eBay. Where d'ya think mine is coming from?

As a loyal GW hobbyist I assume you order exclusively from the webstore!

Some of the hazardous terrain rules

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/11/heading-down-the-varanite-mines-read-this-important-safety-briefing-first/

He just smiled and gave me a varanite sandwich.

That’s a really nice looking set of terrain

I found it very ackward. I saw the AD for Red Harvest advertised on Facebook when I was going through my groups so I read the comments. I thought I might as well respond. I posted

"This is a very nice looking kit but the price is out of control."

I got a lovely message from Facebook that said my comment violated their policy and it was removed.

The kit looks very nice, which is a positive comment and the fact the price has got out of control, I mean at $210 USD it has gone up significantly.

I guess Facebook sides with GW as I am sure they are the one who flagged it. GW seems to be trying to control everything even the freedom of speech.

What... What did you expect, there? It's FB and it's GW.

 Albertorius wrote:
What... What did you expect, there? It's FB and it's GW.

Should have known money corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I honestly think it was probably one of the nicer comments I could think of.

On FB, you can deny the holocaust, been the greatest antisemite, make a fake account - nothing gets removed

Calling fanatical chrstians "catholiban" or complaining about anything - comment removed or account banned for 24h

Anyways... anyone else think the new warbands seem overpowered? Mainly the darkoath.

angel of death 007 wrote:
I found it very ackward. I saw the AD for Red Harvest advertised on Facebook when I was going through my groups so I read the comments. I thought I might as well respond. I posted

"This is a very nice looking kit but the price is out of control."

I got a lovely message from Facebook that said my comment violated their policy and it was removed.

The kit looks very nice, which is a positive comment and the fact the price has got out of control, I mean at $210 USD it has gone up significantly.

I guess Facebook sides with GW as I am sure they are the one who flagged it. GW seems to be trying to control everything even the freedom of speech.

Holy beep. Tell me.youre joking. That's.scandalous

 streetsamurai wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
I found it very ackward. I saw the AD for Red Harvest advertised on Facebook when I was going through my groups so I read the comments. I thought I might as well respond. I posted

"This is a very nice looking kit but the price is out of control."

I got a lovely message from Facebook that said my comment violated their policy and it was removed.

The kit looks very nice, which is a positive comment and the fact the price has got out of control, I mean at $210 USD it has gone up significantly.

I guess Facebook sides with GW as I am sure they are the one who flagged it. GW seems to be trying to control everything even the freedom of speech.

Holy beep. Tell me.youre joking. That's.scandalous

I honestly could understand if I said something inappropriate. I am really shocked as I know I have said worse on Dodge Challenger and Chevy Corvette advertisements.

Not sure if I stumbled on a new level of sarcasm here...

The GW Facebook gibber has been culled of price complaints for years now.

I like the new game contents.

No issue with the flex-girls, what-so-ever. I have a friend, who has 3 or four more friends of mine that we both know that are full on work out fanatics and they are only looking like that on competition days, other then that, they are in the Gym, lifting. You look bulkier, you don't look like Competition standard every day of the week.

You look like that by starving the heck out of yourself, dehydrating to the point of passing out, and a lot of KY, or petroleum jelly.
After the show- it takes a few weeks to get back into your "Normal" life, again. Before competitions, you don't get to hear from them for like a month or so. and their diets are insane. They do that by a lot of protein, gainer and a lot of that bs from GNC. You don't get that by just doin your morning workouts, or an hour or so a day being trendy. They are in there religiously.

Some are in there for weights, some are in there for Iron man competitions, or those Sparta races. They aren't int here to look pretty, either. Then you got girls that are CrossFit junkies. They are tough, but smaller and cut more, but 90% less body mass, and 100% gristle tough.

You are showing the pictures out of context of Flex-Girls like that is how they look all the time. They look like regular people, but a little more physical build to them. So in short- The minis are also in odd proportion based on the sculpt. If you don't like those sculpts, get some other ones to change them out.

Send me those miniatures of deformed, horrible abominations, and monstrosities so I can dispose of them in proper standard Chaos fashion by Adding them to my warband.

I was a bit hesitant at first, but you add in these to a proper Lost and The Damned Warband, and you have some great leader / warchief models for the standard issue Chaos Marauder plastics.

Additionally a good thing to use them for is for a Gorkamorka Digga Mob. Nothing like a few Ork weapons to add to those minis, if they are too terrible for you to use.

PM me your godless heathen chaos flex girls! I'll get rid of them for you

angel of death 007 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
I found it very ackward. I saw the AD for Red Harvest advertised on Facebook when I was going through my groups so I read the comments. I thought I might as well respond. I posted

"This is a very nice looking kit but the price is out of control."

I got a lovely message from Facebook that said my comment violated their policy and it was removed.

The kit looks very nice, which is a positive comment and the fact the price has got out of control, I mean at $210 USD it has gone up significantly.

I guess Facebook sides with GW as I am sure they are the one who flagged it. GW seems to be trying to control everything even the freedom of speech.

Holy beep. Tell me.youre joking. That's.scandalous

I honestly could understand if I said something inappropriate. I am really shocked as I know I have said worse on Dodge Challenger and Chevy Corvette advertisements.

Does GW advertise on Facebook? It was probably an independent vendor’s advert and they flagged it.


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Anyways... anyone else think the new warbands seem overpowered? Mainly the darkoath.

Certainly neither is “hard mode” like Iron Golems were from the first boxed set.

Voss wrote:
Not sure if I stumbled on a new level of sarcasm here...

The GW Facebook gibber has been culled of price complaints for years now.

I for one am shocked to learn that GW fosters a cult of positivity and is sensitive about price discussions on the Internet. It seems very uncharacteristic for them.

 nels1031 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Anyways... anyone else think the new warbands seem overpowered? Mainly the darkoath.

Certainly neither is “hard mode” like Iron Golems were from the first boxed set.

So is this a worry about only a somewhat notable gap in power or league of their own stuff? I haven't paid much attention to the game during the pandemic but I remember concerns about power discrepancy back in the day. I never saw much of that myself, though. At least casually balance seemed decent enough among the original Warcry warbands in the beginning. Not that I had all that much opportunity to play, mind you.

Has GW ever amended fighter cards in the meantime to get better balancing?

They made a handful of amendments when moving to the grand alliance books.

Broadly the game is well balanced in a casual sense. Notable issues would be Nighthaunt due to how powerful fly is (ignore vertical distance instead of measure diagonally), and 200+ point leader options not really paying enough for the stat buffs they get.

People say the AoS-ported factions are stronger than the basic Warcry-bands and it is true in a sense; they have plentiful of aforementioned leader options and are also more readily able to spam the best troop options (if model X is a bit too good for its points a Warcry based faction generally has 2 per box at most while an AoS one can just go buy a whole unit of them).

Every faction has its powerful and dud models, balance being what it is, but in a casual sense it isn't that bad; people just aren't wanting to spam a bunch if the same option most of the time and there can be diminishing returns when said OP options are specialists. Looking at Red Harvest, both warbands have several of their basic troop models are sporting notably superior stat blocks compared to what everyone else gets. That's a different beast, and they sti have the same handful of op (and up) choices elsewhere.

The darkoath double-down on that with an absolutely insane set of abilities. Their basic double alone is completely bonkers. That compounds with them having access to overtuned models using said abilities. I suspect they could be a serious issue.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:


The darkoath double-down on that with an absolutely insane set of abilities. Their basic double alone is completely bonkers. That compounds with them having access to overtuned models using said abilities. I suspect they could be a serious issue.

They're strong only when compared to the other Chaos warcry boxes. Otherwise, they have the same limitations : infantry-only choices lacking the usual strong combinations (flying, huge range weapons, big move characteristic, models with a huge amount of HP).

They have access to allied chaos leaders, but it's the same problem than Warcry boxes : they're allies, thus severely restricted in numbers (both in campaign and matched game mode).

Thus it's not bonkers to me. "Insane set of abilities" is not enough for that in Warcry, since they're also limited in the number you can use during a game. They're not always there like other characteristics.

Thanks for the overview, NinthMusketeer.


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What does the double do? Sure, it's not a static ability, but doubles aren't exactly rare and I never got the impressions that they should be more than little bonuses to tip things your way. Anything that can seriously impact the opponent on a double ability is going to add up and skew things without an actual need for getting lucky like the greater abilities.

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What does the double do? Sure, it's not a static ability, but doubles aren't exactly rare and I never got the impressions that they should be more than little bonuses to tip things your way. Anything that can seriously impact the opponent on a double ability is going to add up and skew things without an actual need for getting lucky like the greater abilities.

There are 3 doubles.

One can be used by all of them, one only by the shaman and the third by their leader.

The first allows you to upgrade the fighter's toughness, attack or strength (choose only 1) by 1 each time you take down an enemy fighter during its activation, duration = until the end of the battle (no it doesn't stay in campaign mode after the battle ). The trick is that you have to use the double before attacking.

The second is the one that can give you multiple wild dice for your next turn depending on the roll you obtain (roll as many dice than the value and for each 5-6, obtain 1 wild dice).

The third allows you to have a bonus move or attack action if you take down an enemy fighter during your activation.


All are mutually exclusive by default since you can only use one during your activation (unless you only have one fighter left, in case you're usually already in deep gak). So that is already limited.

The second can only be used if your shaman is on the field. So if she's in reserve or dead already, tough luck. Also, there's a limit of wild dice you can use in a single turn, so being drown in them isn't always beneficial.

The first and third are powerful as well, but you have to take down an enemy fighter and you can't use other aptitudes in the same activation that are usually useful to help you doing that (unless you only have one fighter left, again).

They're strong aptitudes, no doubt, but that alone isn't enough like I said. You have to kill (meaning it's less useful if you fight a band with low numbers but very tough like ogors) or have a very specific type of fighter to use them. And they must be in position to do so as well. And none of these abilities don't really reinforce your survival (toughness is honestly not that important for that matter, since most fighters look for criticals to really do damage anyway - which is why I think Darkoath Savagers will mostly take the +1 Attack if they manage to use the first double). So you can still simply focus the most dangerous pieces of your opponent and drop their wounds to death like usual before he can strike.


TBH, the one that really benefits from these aptitudes is their leader (duh). That's why I'd tend to take a second one as first ally rather than other chaos leaders for combos - just having one means painting a big target on their head and he can't be everywhere when he's needed at the same time.

 Geifer wrote:
Thanks for the overview, NinthMusketeer.


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What does the double do? Sure, it's not a static ability, but doubles aren't exactly rare and I never got the impressions that they should be more than little bonuses to tip things your way. Anything that can seriously impact the opponent on a double ability is going to add up and skew things without an actual need for getting lucky like the greater abilities.

Each time an enemy fighter is taken down during the activation you choose to upgrade toughness or the strength/attacks characteristic of a weapon. The effect lasts for the rest of the battle and stacks.