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Sarouan wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Designers notes for the new warbands, and something like a roadmap for the coming year:

Indeed, so I was wrong about thinking Warcry may not follow the Kill Team model. Seems like it will.

They're talking about new warbands and terrain to complement your "Gnarlwood corner", so I expect we'll see more from the places shown on Gnarlwood's map.

There'd better be some seraphon broken spaceship parts in it at some point.

It does look like it's a little bit different than the Kill Team model. Whereas Kill Team has a different War Zone each quarter Warcry will have a year-long season (this year being 'The Heart of Ghur') with quarterly expansions in that season. I like that they will be spending longer in one location as you'll be able to get a larger selection of themed terrain and also a bit more background on that particular area of the Mortal Realms.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Have to add in the value of time spent running the printer as well, and the end product is of notably lower quality. The 3d printing route becomes a lot more appealing when looking at mass battle level games. For a skirmish game the real advantage isn't in price at all but customizability; one can peruse the immense amount of options out there to find a design that really speaks to them. So there is certainly a strong argument to be made, just the ones that have been made so far are strangely based on far weaker points.


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Danny76 wrote:
Warcry, don’t like the warbands enough. Terrain is neat though.

Individual figures from warbands have very strong resale value, often to the point where one could make money from it even buying a warband at full MSRP. Though how much one values the time it takes to do that is another matter.

Yeah the customisation is all I’m getting some things printed for me for. Or unique looking extra models for Necromunda characters etc.


And resale yeah, I’ve done it before. Made more than the box price, with some models Still that’s profit and free models. But lots of effort


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 Ghaz wrote:

Sarouan wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Designers notes for the new warbands, and something like a roadmap for the coming year:

Indeed, so I was wrong about thinking Warcry may not follow the Kill Team model. Seems like it will.

They're talking about new warbands and terrain to complement your "Gnarlwood corner", so I expect we'll see more from the places shown on Gnarlwood's map.

There'd better be some seraphon broken spaceship parts in it at some point.

It does look like it's a little bit different than the Kill Team model. Whereas Kill Team has a different War Zone each quarter Warcry will have a year-long season (this year being 'The Heart of Ghur') with quarterly expansions in that season. I like that they will be spending longer in one location as you'll be able to get a larger selection of themed terrain and also a bit more background on that particular area of the Mortal Realms.

This season of Kill Team is all linked to one theme.
Space Hulk in this case.

Mini of the month (from Reddit) available from 13th August

Free stuff, so I'm not complaining, but..

.. that's a pretty sparse sprue layout

So I'm sniffing around Warcry and the Heart of Ghur box. Is there any reason why one would need to buy the quarterly boxes that follow? They're just different miniatures and different terrain, right? Same rulebook, counters, etc.?

Bit tricky to tell at this point, gorgon. You could look at the Kill Team boxes as a possible approach, but we're really going to need to see the second one GW release in this format to be sure.

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

Free stuff, so I'm not complaining, but..

.. that's a pretty sparse sprue layout

That's the "exclusive miniature" sent to GW shops. That's not the warband sprues that will be in the sold box.

Yes, they're producing a specific sprue for that.

Sarouan wrote:

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

Free stuff, so I'm not complaining, but..

.. that's a pretty sparse sprue layout

That's the "exclusive miniature" sent to GW shops. That's not the warband sprues that will be in the sold box.

Yes, they're producing a specific sprue for that.

Yup. And that just shows how cheap it has become to make molds for HIPS injection. The often quoted "it's so expensive, so the models need to be expensive too" is just wrong.

 Hanskrampf wrote:

Yup. And that just shows how cheap it has become to make molds for HIPS injection. The often quoted "it's so expensive, so the models need to be expensive too" is just wrong.

Cheap is very arguable. Here, GW does it because given the sheer amount of production, the cost can be covered elsewhere - even if it's at a loss. Giving a free model doesn't mean it's free to produce, nor even it's cheap. It just means it's a marketing move.

 gorgon wrote:
So I'm sniffing around Warcry and the Heart of Ghur box. Is there any reason why one would need to buy the quarterly boxes that follow? They're just different miniatures and different terrain, right? Same rulebook, counters, etc.?

If it's anything like Kill Team you won't even get the rulebook and counters, just the sourcebook for the warbands in the box and terrain rules.

So for a new starter the Heart of Ghur is the best buy if you're interested in either of the warbands (or are happy ebaying both)

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Yup. And that just shows how cheap it has become to make molds for HIPS injection. The often quoted "it's so expensive, so the models need to be expensive too" is just wrong.

first time I heard that one
HIPS are the cheapest models because how they are made, but they need high numbers to make the initial investment worth it
having the option for cheaper molds just makes the number of frames needed to get the money back lower, the price for the models has nothing to do with it

GW is doing the limited run, special edition sprue for a very long time now, this is neither new nor something special

 kodos wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Yup. And that just shows how cheap it has become to make molds for HIPS injection. The often quoted "it's so expensive, so the models need to be expensive too" is just wrong.

first time I heard that one
HIPS are the cheapest models because how they are made, but they need high numbers to make the initial investment worth it
having the option for cheaper molds just makes the number of frames needed to get the money back lower, the price for the models has nothing to do with it

GW is doing the limited run, special edition sprue for a very long time now, this is neither new nor something special

"HIPS molds are expensive" is the common defence for the prices of 25-35€ small single sprue models.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
"HIPS molds are expensive" is the common defence for the prices of 25-35€ small single sprue models.

A good offense is showing them Archon's kickstarters where sprues comes out to like 1€ each and the company tools 50 of them out of 1 million € campaign with enough left over for shipping, and, presumably, wages for the whole company.

 Hanskrampf wrote:

Sarouan wrote:

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

Free stuff, so I'm not complaining, but..

.. that's a pretty sparse sprue layout

That's the "exclusive miniature" sent to GW shops. That's not the warband sprues that will be in the sold box.

Yes, they're producing a specific sprue for that.

Yup. And that just shows how cheap it has become to make molds for HIPS injection. The often quoted "it's so expensive, so the models need to be expensive too" is just wrong.

These days I see far more people complaining about people saying that, than people actually saying it.

Not sure how this fits with the compendium - might be a sample or may be just limited to the original Warcry warbands - they'd hardly give the stats away for free and sell a compendium as well.

Warcry: Heart of Ghur is available for pre-order tomorrow and you'll be able to take your existing fighters into the depths of the Gnarlwood with free warband rules next week. Which faction are you going to try first?

 DaveC wrote:
Not sure how this fits with the compendium - might be a sample or may be just limited to the original Warcry warbands - they'd hardly give the stats away for free and sell a compendium as well.

Warcry: Heart of Ghur is available for pre-order tomorrow and you'll be able to take your existing fighters into the depths of the Gnarlwood with free warband rules next week. Which faction are you going to try first?

This is intriguing......Maybe they will just release some fighter profiles without the factions abilities or reaction?

Most logically would be to release all the Warcry bespoke Warbands rules as free downloads (Iron Golems, Corvus Cabal, Khanite Shadowstalkers, etc.) because the boxes of those miniatures say they include the rules to play them and I'm sure there are still boxes of them floating around in the wilderness. Honestly if they went this way, I would be pretty happy and skip the compendium....I always thought the bespoke warbands were more interesting.

That said it looks like they have included miniatures in the pictures from the various Grand Alliance factions, so maybe each non-Chaos grand alliance will also get rules for a faction (looks like maybe Stormcast,Kruel Boyz, and Ossiarchs?).

It would be a smart idea to include the rules for six bespoke factions that appeared in the older Warcry Starters, and the AoS Starters (Kruel Boyz and Stormcast), as lots of people have those minis laying around and would be willing to maybe give the new rules a try without requiring them make another investment.

If its at least for the contents of the AoS: Warrior and Chaos Beasts...yeah, that would be pretty good!

Here is my review of the new Heart of Ghur box: https://taleofpainters.com/2022/07/review-warcry-heart-of-ghur-2nd-edition-starter-set/

Includes high-res sprue pictures and skim over the books and changes of the new edition. Core rules stayed pretty much the same except for reactions and a few tidy ups, narrative play has been expanded with some new mechanics like quests and encampments, and there is indeed one sprue less of terrain compared to Red Harvest.

 stahly wrote:
Here is my review of the new Heart of Ghur box: https://taleofpainters.com/2022/07/review-warcry-heart-of-ghur-2nd-edition-starter-set/

Includes high-res sprue pictures and skim over the books and changes of the new edition. Core rules stayed pretty much the same except for reactions and a few tidy ups, narrative play has been expanded with some new mechanics like quests and encampments, and there is indeed one sprue less of terrain compared to Red Harvest.

Thanks for another great review Stahly! Glad to hear the core rules are pretty unchanged. Also really nice to see the comparison shots of the terrain. I am on the fence with box, as I was unsure how playable the board would be, as it didn’t look like there was a significant amount of LOS blocking terrain- but those trees are much bigger than I thought. Still might hold off and just grab the rulebook/ compendium as I have the original starter.

Had a few reviews on in the background this morning noticed that roving Savage Seraphon warbands replace the Furies and Raptoryxes from first edition might be time to paint that underworlds warband I have around here somewhere.

Savage Seraphon? So we can get some Jurassic Park up in this. Neat

Would be nice if that translated to naked Lizardmen without all the Aztec bits who have gone feral and rely on their teeth and claws alone, but I guess if it doesn't happen alongside the first starter box, it's not going to happen at all.

This all looks amazing but I’m firmly on the fence still. I love the idea of 4 themed boxes over a year building a collection, but I just don’t think I can justify investing in both Warcry and Kill Team over this coming year.

I’m really hoping that we get full details about the Kill Team box while this is still available so I can make an informed choice. At one time I would have just bought it without thinking, but with soaring inflation and the fact that my pay has done nothing but decline in real terms for the last 12 years, I can’t do that.

If we don’t get to see the Kill Team box, I think I’ll pass on Warcry and take the risk of liking Kill Team’s offer more.

Kill Team has swayed me on the warbands alone, and the scenery in KT will double for Necromunda too.
Maybe even smaller combat patrol style games too?

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
This all looks amazing but I’m firmly on the fence still. I love the idea of 4 themed boxes over a year building a collection, but I just don’t think I can justify investing in both Warcry and Kill Team over this coming year.

I’m really hoping that we get full details about the Kill Team box while this is still available so I can make an informed choice. At one time I would have just bought it without thinking, but with soaring inflation and the fact that my pay has done nothing but decline in real terms for the last 12 years, I can’t do that.

If we don’t get to see the Kill Team box, I think I’ll pass on Warcry and take the risk of liking Kill Team’s offer more.

Just wait until you see your gas bill this winter. Its going to be brutal!

 Geifer wrote:
Would be nice if that translated to naked Lizardmen without all the Aztec bits who have gone feral and rely on their teeth and claws alone, but I guess if it doesn't happen alongside the first starter box, it's not going to happen at all.

I remember the Feral Cold One model that matched up to the dark elf cav models.

 Geifer wrote:
Would be nice if that translated to naked Lizardmen without all the Aztec bits who have gone feral and rely on their teeth and claws alone, but I guess if it doesn't happen alongside the first starter box, it's not going to happen at all.

It's just the existing models pictured in the book.

Roll a D3 at the start to see what round they show up. Roll a D6 at the start of each combat phase this is the threat number then pick any combination of Savage Seraphon that total the Threat number.

Savage Skink Starpriest (Threat 3)
Savage Saurus Oldblood (Threat 3)
Savage Saurus Warrior (Threat 1)
Savage Skink with Moonstone Club (Threat 1)
Savage Skink with Bonespitter (Threat 1)

Stats are identical to the current Sentinels of Order book.

 GrosseSax wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
This all looks amazing but I’m firmly on the fence still. I love the idea of 4 themed boxes over a year building a collection, but I just don’t think I can justify investing in both Warcry and Kill Team over this coming year.

I’m really hoping that we get full details about the Kill Team box while this is still available so I can make an informed choice. At one time I would have just bought it without thinking, but with soaring inflation and the fact that my pay has done nothing but decline in real terms for the last 12 years, I can’t do that.

If we don’t get to see the Kill Team box, I think I’ll pass on Warcry and take the risk of liking Kill Team’s offer more.

Just wait until you see your gas bill this winter. Its going to be brutal!

I’m planning on seeing how many layers of clothing I can wear at once

Looks like they are giving away all 800 fighter profiles for free also seems to confirm the rumour that there is an issue releasing the Compendium.

We’re making it easier than ever before to jump right in with any faction, by giving away more than 800 fighter profiles from over 40 Warbands, plus their Allies – many of which have had their stats changed and rebalanced, with more than a few new tricks for you to try out.

Downloads for each of the four Grand Alliances will be made available from next week, all for free. The updated profiles on the fighter cards will be collected and released as part of the upcoming Warcry Compendium, which is coming out later in the year.

 DaveC wrote:
Looks like they are giving away all 800 fighter profiles for free also seems to confirm the rumour that there is an issue releasing the Compendium.

We’re making it easier than ever before to jump right in with any faction, by giving away more than 800 fighter profiles from over 40 Warbands, plus their Allies – many of which have had their stats changed and rebalanced, with more than a few new tricks for you to try out.

Downloads for each of the four Grand Alliances will be made available from next week, all for free. The updated profiles on the fighter cards will be collected and released as part of the upcoming Warcry Compendium, which is coming out later in the year.

This is great news, hopefully they include the new reactions for each faction. I preordered the new rulebook from someone on eBay breaking up the box, so I should be all set. Honestly doing this for compendium style content for their games in general would probably earn GW a lot of good will with a lot of the community.