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2021/09/14 06:26:51
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Solahma
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Both games will take some selling to get games and DZ is an easier sell in terms of explaining/understanding/using the rules.
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2021/09/14 06:54:16
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I agree that DZ is even the better game and seems easier to play/teach. But GW’s market saturation gives them a big head start on convincing people that they will be able to play with more people regularly than just the demo monkey. I don’t like it but it’s just the state of things
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2021/09/14 07:03:40
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Second Story Man
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if someone already decided to only go with GW games, they won't consider it anyway no matter the price
and also KT games are not that easy to find as it had a hard start with the compedium and being very different from the previous versions (so one might need some dancing to convince people to play the new version over the old one as well)
but doing a more detailed comparision (and personal rating)
KT VS DZ
Box:
- terrain: bulkier, Ork themed VS generic human, modular - equal (both have advantages/disadvantages, similar amount)
- board: cardboard VS paper - 1:0
- models:
design is personal taste , Orks VS Rats and World War 1 VS Modern themed humans - equal
quality is tricky but the mold lines on the Orks are just bad were the Mantic models have softer edges - equal
Monopose with weapon options VS Multipose with options for weapons and alternate builds (different troop types for both) - 0:1 = 0:1/3
- Rules: full Core Rules + lists for the teams in the box VS full Core Rules and all faction lists - 0:1
- Gaming Aids: everything needed VS everything needed - equal
- Price: 155€ VS 105€ - 0:1
starting without Box:
- stand alone boards: cardboard (40€) VS neopren (35€) - 0:1
- rules: Core Rules + Compendium + Cards + Gaming Aids = 111€ VS Rules (include faction lists and marker) + Command Dice + D8 = 60€ - 0:1
terrain: box terrain not available VS Terrain Booster 70€
Mechanicus terrain, including board 120€ VS Industrial Zone, without board
- models: box models not available, no dedicated KT boxes (any more) VS Faction Starter/Booster (35€) - 0:1
My conclusion:
Start with the core box is equal, you get everything you need although the written rules are much easier to understand for DZ than with KT and DZ is slightly cheaper
If one does not like the core box models and want to play/start with a different faction or is the 3rd person in a group that wants to start, the options for KT are very limited and going without the box is not really possible.
It also looks like the game is focused on boxed game releases and we won't see the dedicated Kill Teams as stand alone releases for some time.
Also DZ has the advantage of long term support here as it is a "main" game for Mantic were previous versions of KT were not really in focus for GW after the initial hype and if the boxes sold out there was no re-print
also the game changed a lot over time and it is more like the same name for different game than an ongoing game development
so hard to guess what happens with KT and if it is still there in 2023 were DZ will be around for while
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Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise |
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2021/09/14 07:37:53
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Pious Warrior Priest
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It's a really straightforward upgrade if you've got 1st or 2nd edition, rulebooks come bundled with counters and that's all you really need.
The veteran bundle for £50 is pretty good, two books, counters, acrylic loot counters, selection of 3d objectives for use in the scenarios. As someone overflowing with DZ minis and terrain, that works nicely and is all I need.
3rd edition at this point is more about a refresh and consolidation of the rules with a lot of clean-up done and points values tightened up as much as possible (a lot of work goes into making sure there aren't any trash-tier or broken units).
Quite similar to the process of KoW 3rd edition.
It's also a lead-in to Firefight which will be the next big thing (complete rules overhaul with more in common with deadzone, all the bloat stripped out, going for a genuine 40k competitor with rules simplicity and fast gameplay as the draw).
If you've followed Mantic's sci-fi offerings for a while but never bought in, this is probably the best time for it, there's a lot planned, a lot of the factions have multiple hard plastic kits and vehicles, with a lot more to come (Orc Marauders!) now that Mantic is churning out quality sprues regularly without the need to kickstart them.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2021/09/14 07:48:58
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2021/09/14 07:40:40
Subject: Re:Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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[DCM]
Incorporating Wet-Blending
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One advantage of not having any other miniatures enthusiasts within 500km or so is that I get to decide what games get played. I will absolutely get the new rules, and probably a new neoprene mat, as well. Having gone all in on the first DZ Kickstarter, I don't really need anything else to play.
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2021/09/14 14:16:12
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Battleship Captain
The Land of the Rising Sun
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From your place to mine there are less than 500km on a straight line!
M.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2021/09/14 14:17:44
Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though." |
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2021/09/14 23:55:56
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I suppose that means he gets to say what games you play.
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The galaxy is littered with the single-planet graveyards of civilisations which made the economically sensible decision not to explore space. |
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2021/09/15 01:32:35
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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[DCM]
Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Miguelsan wrote:From your place to mine there are less than 500km on a straight line!
M.
500km is from here to Tokyo. Where are you located?
.Mikes. wrote:I suppose that means he gets to say what games you play.
That sounds fair to me!
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2021/09/15 02:53:46
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Battleship Captain
The Land of the Rising Sun
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JoshInJapan wrote:Miguelsan wrote:From your place to mine there are less than 500km on a straight line!
M.
500km is from here to Tokyo. Where are you located?
.Mikes. wrote:I suppose that means he gets to say what games you play.
That sounds fair to me!
Kobe. About 800 km but that's following the roads.
M.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2021/09/15 02:55:00
Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though." |
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2021/09/15 05:49:31
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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[DCM]
Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Miguelsan wrote: JoshInJapan wrote:Miguelsan wrote:From your place to mine there are less than 500km on a straight line!
M.
500km is from here to Tokyo. Where are you located?
.Mikes. wrote:I suppose that means he gets to say what games you play.
That sounds fair to me!
Kobe. About 800 km but that's following the roads.
M.
That's on the other side of the JR East/JR West divide, which is almost the same as being in another country Someday, when Covid finally goes away, we'll have to get together for a game or three.
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2021/09/15 11:01:32
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Battleship Captain
The Land of the Rising Sun
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Or 4!
M.
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Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though." |
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2021/09/15 12:05:57
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Second Story Man
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Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise |
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2021/09/15 14:41:20
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Current los rules are one of the things I brag about dz rules. Can I see any part of the target? Yes or no. No fractions. No wondering if the rifle would be invisible if only the model were holding it down at a slightly lower angle.
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2021/09/15 15:06:24
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Foxy Wildborne
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So they're switching to magic cylinders, which is industry standard for competitive skirmish, no argument from me.
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Posters on ignore list: 36
40k Potica Edition - 40k patch with reactions, suppression and all that good stuff. Feedback thread here.
Gangs of Nu Ork - Necromunda / Gorkamorka expansion supporting all faction. Feedback thread here. |
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2021/09/15 16:21:15
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Solahma
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Yes, that is the one thing that always bothered me a little about DZ and now it’s fixed.
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2021/09/15 19:15:58
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Miniatures Market has the new starter up for preorder for $100.
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2021/09/16 08:05:12
Subject: Re:Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Second Story Man
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Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise |
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2021/09/16 08:09:04
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Battleship Captain
The Land of the Rising Sun
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Not sold on that walker. There is something missing from the weapons. Is it going to fan the enemy?
M.
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Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though." |
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2021/09/16 08:13:32
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Second Story Man
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Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise |
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2021/09/16 08:59:18
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Foxy Wildborne
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Nobody gonna make a baby carrier joke?
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Posters on ignore list: 36
40k Potica Edition - 40k patch with reactions, suppression and all that good stuff. Feedback thread here.
Gangs of Nu Ork - Necromunda / Gorkamorka expansion supporting all faction. Feedback thread here. |
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2021/09/16 09:02:51
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Second Story Man
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no but I am gonna paint one yellow and call it "beardy Ripley"
PS: for the simply reason that the Mech is designed to have an optional closed front makes it look less like a Baby Carrier as the Pilot is inside and not hanging on the front
for the same reason the Matrix Mechs looks cool
PPS: while thinking about it, I guess I need two of them, a "beardy Ripley" melee version and "beardy Mifune" with 2 guns
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Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise |
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2021/09/16 10:18:30
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Is this a new FF faction, or the artificers are just extra for them?
They already had the armoured guys, then the more like mechanic plain guys whose names escape me, right?
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2021/09/16 10:47:43
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Second Story Man
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Is the new FF subfaction, although we don't know yet how the subfaction are going to work in 3rd Edition (if you can mix and match like you want or not)
they have the standard FF Clan Warriors, the Brokkrs (the one Clan that tried to be friends with the humans, in the progress lost everything and is now a nomadic tribe within the human sphere) and now the technical/mining guys
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Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise |
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2021/09/16 17:18:19
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Is not the open cockpit option already a joke at GW’s expense?
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2021/09/16 17:23:23
Subject: Re:Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Stonecold Gimster
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I like the look of all them to be fair.
Especially Doc Oc forge father.
My only issue are Mantic's paint schemes. They're painted very well, but they just seem to be missing a colour to make them pop.
A few tufts or bits on the plain bases would help too. I've been noticing that on KoW stuff recently. Even a green tuft would add that extra bit of colour to the model.
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Currently most played: Silent Death, Mars Code Aurora, Battletech and currently trying Warcrow and Infinity. |
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2021/09/16 19:08:44
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Solahma
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I really agree, Mantic figures can look a lot better than their studio paint jobs suggest.
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2021/09/16 20:46:53
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Nope, because he's standing on the deck of a platform, not hanging there with little baby legs dangling like low hanging fruit.
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LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
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2021/09/17 02:10:22
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Focused Fire Warrior
Les Etats Unis
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Theophony wrote:
Nope, because he's standing on the deck of a platform, not hanging there with little baby legs dangling like low hanging fruit.
Also, his arms are operating joysticks inside the cockpit rather than weirdly dangling out as seen in other, more unfortunate models.
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Dudeface wrote: Eldarain wrote:Is there another game where players consistently blame each other for the failings of the creator?
If you want to get existential, life for some. |
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2021/09/17 06:44:06
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Second Story Man
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the small little details in design make the difference between a baby carrier and a suitable/working mech
Article about Keywords, nothing special just the obvious clean up like re-naming abbilities, rules, equipment (that there is a difference between a Fight Action and Fight stat, so now it is an Assault Action, that not all Heavy Weapons used the Heavy special rules etc.)
https://www.manticgames.com/news/deadzone-third-edition-streamlining-keywords/ Automatically Appended Next Post: https://www.manticgames.com/news/deadzone-third-edition-new-units-and-minis/
Release Dates and Details
Maurauders and Plague are set for early 2022
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Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise |
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2021/09/22 12:57:02
Subject: Mantic Games - Warpath Universe News and Rumours - Deadzone 3rd edition preview page 4
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Second Story Man
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Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise |
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