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I suspect Disney are just simply pursuing a different strategy as Warner (Same day HBO Max, Cinema release), but with the same end goal - driving cinema companies out of business, then buying their assets to create Disney/Warner Exclusive Cinemas.
I think by having major content as TV shows, driving people towards streaming, people may be inclined towards just watching what movies that do come out on Disney+ - I remember being *astounded* at how quickly Rise of Skywalker and Endgame appeared on Disney+, and that was in the UK.
This might all be my own pet conspiracy theory, but it also just feels all so... likely... to me, all it assumes is that companies do what companies do.
Outside of the Big Movies, Star Wars does suit a TV series. We need only look to Clone Wars and Rebels to see the opportunities for cool stories outside but kinda adjacent to the main themes.
Rebels and Mando are of particular interest, because whilst cameos are of course a thing, we’re following entirely new characters.
Wandavision likewise isn’t terribly reliant on the two main characters. The points of interest to me comes from everyone else around them.
I suspect Disney are just simply pursuing a different strategy as Warner (Same day HBO Max, Cinema release), but with the same end goal - driving cinema companies out of business, then buying their assets to create Disney/Warner Exclusive Cinemas.
I think by having major content as TV shows, driving people towards streaming, people may be inclined towards just watching what movies that do come out on Disney+ - I remember being *astounded* at how quickly Rise of Skywalker and Endgame appeared on Disney+, and that was in the UK.
This might all be my own pet conspiracy theory, but it also just feels all so... likely... to me, all it assumes is that companies do what companies do.
Based on my local fleapits (remote, only reliably accessible by car, bloody expensive) I fear Cinema has had its day.
After all, why would I want to pay the thick end of £20 to sit in a dark auditorium with others, who may be incapable of not bloody talking or switching their phones off, when I can watch at home on equipment not far off that of the cinema (4K TV, can add speakers if I can be bothered some day).
Example? Went to see Black Panther, as I do like to see my MCU on the big screen, despite my earlier comments. Throughout the entire film, a child would not shut up. In the worst, spoiled brat whine it was a constant barrage of “mummy I’m booooooored. Daddy I don’t want to watch thiiiiiiiiiis. I waaaaaant more iiiiiice creeeeeeeam. Daddy.....daddy.....daddddddyyyyyyyy”. I never want a repeat of that experience. Ever.
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In fact, the one thing from this whole pandemic crap that I miss the most is going to the cinema.
At the end of 2019 I bought a giant 75" top-of-the-line Samsung smart TV. Very handy, given what kicked off a few months later, but I still want to experience things on the actual big screen.
Fair enough! I can assure you it’s a less than pleasant experience.
Feel hard to judge though. Despite the whining, kid could be on the spectrum, or an inadvertently spoiled child, where the parents are now making a stand and not giving into demands etc.
Sucked to be me is basically the takeaway!
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Okay, everyone knew that at some point they were going to want to fold the X-men into the MCU, but here?! Holy gak, that was a hell of a twist! Given it completely wrong-footed Wanda, I’m also wondering if this is the “witness protection” person. (As an aside, using witness protection as an excuse for keeping mutants under house arrest possibly? Wu’s been involved with that before.)
Also, what’s with the “no kids in Westview” thing? Is it just Wanda not wanting to mind control children or something more creepy?
These questions and soo many more; they certainly aren’t half-arsing this show.
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Some more internet rumours. I'm not entirely sure how well the previous ones I've posted have stacked up.
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The rumour is
Evan Peters is NOT playing Quicksilver at *all* it's simply a joke / misdirection. He is, in fact, playing Mephisto and attempting to manipulate Wanda and sow doubt throughout, now that Vision is uncovering the truth.
This is backed up by SWORD having dialogue essentially reminding people that Wanda's powers from the mind stone just Don't Work Like That, and thus it really IS Mephisto pulling the strings and Evan Peters Quicksilver is functionally a red herring.
This also dovetails with some chatter I've been seeing that suggests Disney are not going with the 'griefstricken woman goes crazy' trope.
I just kinda... Don't know anymore. I think the show has officially exhausted any of my attempts at predictions now.
[spoiler]Monica Rambeau's scan results were certainly interesting.
Oh man, with everything else I forgot about that little chestnut.
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So I’m wondering if that really is Monica Rambeau or, to go with the Mephisto rumor, is that another case of Mephisto trying to gain Wanda’s trust. Might have to rewatch the whole post Westview Monica sequences.
But overall, really loving this episode! Pacing’s tough, especially when you’re trying to do something completely different than a “normal” show. But this episode really moved the story forward on so many fronts. Still processing all of it...
I’m completely on-board with the idea that Wanda had no idea Quicksilver was at the door, never mind that he was “recast”. Her surprise seemed genuine to me... But interesting that the whole theme of “ family is forever” and death came full circle in this one. Plus Wanda trying to teach her children there are rules which, clearly, she didn’t completely follow herself. And then her dead brother shows up. Interesting... Flipping the House of M script and have Wanda “snap” the mutants into existence rather than out? That would certainly fit with the MCU riffing on Marvel comics without directly copying them.
Great that she can’t control Vision or the kids like she can the others. At least not directly. Equally, the kids at least recognize that she has power (and openly discuss it in front of Agnes who doesn’t miss a beat). Which brings us to the very interesting fact that Agnes is completely blasé about the kids aging like they did and about Wanda “finding” collar for Sparky. While some of the other characters seem to be somewhat aware and/or comfortable with Wanda and Vision not being normal, that seems materially different to me.
Oh, and did I miss it? Who sent the email to Vision? And, dang, almost forgot.. Norm said that “she” was controlling him, and Vision clearly assumes it’s Wanda. He he never said that, did he? Could “she” be Agnes or even Dottie?
And one last thing that got me wondering... If Wanda stole Vision’s body, are we going to find out that she (or someone else?) also stole the at-least partial copy of his brain that was being downloaded in Wakanda just prior to the attack by Thanos? Clearly the current Vision is not “just” Wanda’s creation since he has agency outside of her. Could it be the downloaded Vision brain that is behind the Vision in Westview? And for that matter, I’m wondering if her attempted reductio ad absurdam statement to Vision about how she can’t possible be controlling every person in Westview doesn’t also have a bit of truth to it.
Definitely feels like she cut a deal of some kind with another power in this whole thing.
Gah... just too damned much to process!
Valete,
JohnS
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Valete,
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"You don't believe data - you test data. If I could put my finger on the moment we genuinely <expletive deleted> ourselves, it was the moment we decided that data was something you could use words like believe or disbelieve around"
Wanda at least claiming she doesn’t know how all this began.
Now, all we know for a fact is she stole Vision’s body, and now knows it’s a fantasy of her own making.
This is further suggested when Vision says at first, he could rationalise it as Wanda not being fully aware at the beginning, only later realising what was going on.
That remains a possibility. Akin to whashisface wanting back into the Matrix in The Matrix, ignorance being bliss.
I wonder if there are rug pulls to come or not. We’ve only 4 episodes left, so I’m hoping they don’t get caught up in twists to the detriment of the conclusion.
Also, I still can’t remember if this is a stand alone series, or the first of a set arc? I do know it’s meant to tie in to Multiverse of Madness, but that film isn’t out until March 2022, which would allow for a second season of Wandavision, assuming the same release schedule this time next year.
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Darcy, rather enthusiastically mentioned she knows an Astrophysicist. Jane or Erik? Place your bets!
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Ok so there where some good misdirections in this one.
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One was right after the scene saying they needed to send something in that wouldn't be altered we get the office scene. Which shows us the email, we assume that is it right? But then the drone comes and we find out its that, then who sent the email?
ALso Vision says that, yes eventually he a computer can find you a wife. He knows computers will be able to do that, so he can vaguly remember his past somehow.
But here is the thing. Im thinking, Sitcom wanda isnt actually real Wanda playing the role, i think its totally someone else. Sitcom wanda doesnt have the same powers at regular Wanda, and when her perfect life in interupted, Real Wanda Steps in.
Also, very meta, those child actors played horrible child actors perfectly, its like they where not even playing a role!!!!
Agreed. I’m not familiar with him as a character, but
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This being Wanda dealing with grief is just far more interesting.
Still intrigued by the Pupper though. The boys seemingly found it without a collar. This seemed to have surprised Wanda.
Then it just.....sort of dies, whilst eating berries from Agnes’ bush.
Given Agnes is aware of what’s going on (asking Wanda if she wanted to redo her entrance), I don’t think that’s simply coincidence. And as noted elsewhere, we didn’t see S.W.O.R.D. List her on the “actors” board. Most curiously, Monica hasn’t clocked that, and I’m pretty sure she met Agnes?
God this show is so incredibly awesome!
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I wouldn’t be opposed to Mephisto. Messing with people who are dealing with grief is a big thing for him. He’s a real kick em while they’re down sort of dude. Also kick em if they try to climb back up.
This being a back door introduction to Mephisto would be good for some future things too. Dr. Strange could face him in some capacity in Multiverse of Madness (though I actually hope for Shub Niggurath) and it lays a foundation for Ghost Rider.
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Darcy, rather enthusiastically mentioned she knows an Astrophysicist. Jane or Erik? Place your bets!
I was thinking
Spoiler:
Reed Richards maybe ? Make sense he would be working for SWORD
I still think the missing person in the witness protection program is relevant
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maybe he or she is why Wanda went to Westview in the first place -- presumably/possibly with Visions body.
Could be, say, a former hydra/AIM/whatever tech guy or something -- she has access to the Avenger files and/or all the info that Widow released might've mentioned him or her
They try to bring him back .. funky interaction between her powers maybe leftover infinity stone energy..or an extra outside entity ...
Of course you'd think that Woo might've twigged or mentioned this but he has been busy and presumably only just learnt that Vision's body was taken by Wanda.
Yet another... odd.... animal moment in this episode too
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We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
So, a thought after having a conversation with a friend about that appearance at the end there...
Spoiler:
My buddy, who also loves the MCU, had absolutely no clue who Peter Evans was because the X-Men were off in their own 20th Century Fox universe and he wasn't invested because... well, let's face it, the Fox X-Men films were a mixed bag. Only today, after talking about it with me a few days after having seen the episode, did he realize who that actually was, and that really has me wondering how many other MCU fans just didn't get that final cameo.
Perhaps a few more on actual first viewing, but with the entire media of the nerdverse going nuts over it, it's not going to be a bit of information that's going to evade people for long, even if they don't know to look for it.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: I'd guess maybe, including your buddy, three?
Perhaps a few more on actual first viewing, but with the entire media of the nerdverse going nuts over it, it's not going to be a bit of information that's going to evade people for long, even if they don't know to look for it.
Would it have nearly the same impact learning the significance from some random article on social media though? Like, when I saw that scene I yelped so high that only dogs could hear me. I really don't think you could replicate that kind of 'oh gak!' moment when you're just scrolling down your feed, see an article, read it, and then go 'ohhhhhhhh.... oh.'
Or maybe I'm wrong and the difference is negligible for most people. *shrug*
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