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Preorder can still be the 21st.

Has gw ever had anything of note with middle of 2 week preorder? That kind of sucks away other preorders. Preorder of 21 is more kt boxes.

tneva82 wrote:
They said preorder in august(alas specifically preorder). Alas nothing broken as long as preoider on last saturday.

Ah cheers, thought it was release rather than pre order. Chomping at the bit having already painted the Kruleboy half of Dominion.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
They said preorder in august(alas specifically preorder). Alas nothing broken as long as preoider on last saturday.

Ah cheers, thought it was release rather than pre order. Chomping at the bit having already painted the Kruleboy half of Dominion.

I just got about 2.4k ironjaws and kruleboy half. Wanna play!

'Gobsprakk Uses Swampy Magic, Bad Smells, and a Screaming Plant To Dominate the Battlefield' on Warhammer Community:

The more I think about Kruleboyz, the less I like the lore.

*I'm on board for sneakier orruks, since Mork is all about being dead kunnin. But their whole introduction to AOS is seeing Kragnos and going crazy for him. Ironjawz I get. Kraggy is a god of destruction. But he isn't subtle or sneaky, so why do the Mork boyz like him so much?

*And since the orruks worship Kragnos because he's so destructive, why don't they do the same with mega garagants? Or God beasts? I feel like there needs to be more to Kragnos than just being a force of destruction. Otherwise, he's just like any of the other god-beasts that live in AOS

Well a lot of the God Beasts are more forces of nature, they smash things more by accident than by intention. Meanwhile your average Gargant is often not all that bright. Yes they area big and stompy, but they aren't destructive leaders. Kragnos isn't just someone powerful that smashes stuff, he's got a plan. He's got agendas and goals and objectives and general bigger thoughts going on. He's not just going to smash the biggest thing he can see, he's going to find ways to find bigger things to smash.

Makes a kind of sense that the more sneaky, smarter orruks would be drawn to a leader who is more wider thinking than just swinging a club at the biggest thing in the area.



Asides I'm sure there ARE orruks worshipping godbeasts - its just Godbeasts don't really fit on a 28-32mm scale board. I mean you CAN fit big things on- GW do sell Warlords and people have made imperators but they aren't really standard game models.

 GaroRobe wrote:
The more I think about Kruleboyz, the less I like the lore.

*I'm on board for sneakier orruks, since Mork is all about being dead kunnin. But their whole introduction to AOS is seeing Kragnos and going crazy for him. Ironjawz I get. Kraggy is a god of destruction. But he isn't subtle or sneaky, so why do the Mork boyz like him so much?

*And since the orruks worship Kragnos because he's so destructive, why don't they do the same with mega garagants? Or God beasts? I feel like there needs to be more to Kragnos than just being a force of destruction. Otherwise, he's just like any of the other god-beasts that live in AOS

I am hoping/assuming the battletome will go into this. Though I can certainly see an element of 'opposites attract' in a sense; Kruleboyz worshipping Kragnos because he is what they aren't. We'll see.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
The more I think about Kruleboyz, the less I like the lore.

*I'm on board for sneakier orruks, since Mork is all about being dead kunnin. But their whole introduction to AOS is seeing Kragnos and going crazy for him. Ironjawz I get. Kraggy is a god of destruction. But he isn't subtle or sneaky, so why do the Mork boyz like him so much?

*And since the orruks worship Kragnos because he's so destructive, why don't they do the same with mega garagants? Or God beasts? I feel like there needs to be more to Kragnos than just being a force of destruction. Otherwise, he's just like any of the other god-beasts that live in AOS

I am hoping/assuming the battletome will go into this. Though I can certainly see an element of 'opposites attract' in a sense; Kruleboyz worshipping Kragnos because he is what they aren't. We'll see.

just because they're sneaky buggers also doesn't mean that they can't admire someone with the strength to do what Kragnos does. I mean at the end of the day they're Orks and they're still gonna fall in behind the toughest sonofagun they can. the differance is if a smaller Orruk kills a bigger one with a poisoned dagger the kruleboyz are going to admire the smaller Orruks cunning

They are sneaky, Gobsprakk seems to be manipulating his ability to communicate with Kragnos for his own nefarious aims, at a guess once those aims are met Kragnos may be on the wrong end of a lot of poisoned blades:

"Among the many Mork-given powers exhibited by Gobsprakk, one of the strangest is his ability to speak and understand any language. This skill allowed him to parlay with Kragnos, and he used the ancient language of the Drogrukh race to form an alliance with the god of earthquakes. 

Gobsprakk went on to become Kragnos’ faithful companion and translator. However, it’s thought that this natural schemer may have applied some creative interpretation to the edicts of his new best mate."

I have to say, i rather like these status effect type abilities these guys have:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/10/magic-and-mayhem-the-dragon-princes-rules-make-them-a-ruinous-tag-team-in-battle/

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I have to say, i rather like these status effect type abilities these guys have:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/10/magic-and-mayhem-the-dragon-princes-rules-make-them-a-ruinous-tag-team-in-battle/

WHFB had spells like that too. I like concept of debuffs, I wish 40k had more abilities like that instead of just "inflict a mortal wound." or "reroll 1s"

 GaroRobe wrote:
The more I think about Kruleboyz, the less I like the lore.

*I'm on board for sneakier orruks, since Mork is all about being dead kunnin. But their whole introduction to AOS is seeing Kragnos and going crazy for him. Ironjawz I get. Kraggy is a god of destruction. But he isn't subtle or sneaky, so why do the Mork boyz like him so much?

*And since the orruks worship Kragnos because he's so destructive, why don't they do the same with mega garagants? Or God beasts? I feel like there needs to be more to Kragnos than just being a force of destruction. Otherwise, he's just like any of the other god-beasts that live in AOS

Because orks like good scrap. Gargants are dumb (plus not really that much stronger than a warboss), so not worth respecting, ork or ogre tribe is more likely to enslave a gargant (there are even bits in kit for this) than to worship it. Kragnos can actually think/lead/beat even biggest warbosses, plus isn't a fan of civilization like other gods, all traits orks like. Even a sneaky ork would follow him as it's much easier to attack in the wake of chaos he leaves behind than intact defences/armies.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/12/the-sons-of-behemat-receive-a-gargantuan-battletome-update-in-this-months-white-dwarf/


So factions getting own grand strategies(so power balance between old and new ones grows), battletactics(hopefully you replace standard ones with new ones in list creaion or old book vs new book gap increases even more)and fction specific battallion)

tneva82 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/12/the-sons-of-behemat-receive-a-gargantuan-battletome-update-in-this-months-white-dwarf/


So factions getting own grand strategies(so power balance between old and new ones grows), battletactics(hopefully you replace standard ones with new ones in list creaion or old book vs new book gap increases even more)and fction specific battallion)

faction specific battalions again are stupid. We just got rid of those goddammit.

Sons of Behemat might be the only ones getting any of those things, because they work so weird compared to the rest of AoS.

Like, can they even use any core battalions?

Rihgu wrote:
Sons of Behemat might be the only ones getting any of those things, because they work so weird compared to the rest of AoS.

Like, can they even use any core battalions?

Monster hunters and battle regiment at least . Only things they can't do are ones that require subcommanders, behemoths and artillery. Commanders and troops are fine(well ghb matched play. Core book matched play has differences).

And very much doubt that. This was predictable. Just like 40k factions got own secondaries so will aos,


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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/12/build-all-dragon-armies-and-other-fierce-forces-with-the-new-stormcast-eternals-battletome/

Also stormcast gets battleline changes by subfaction(and units that couldn't before can be battleline now) as well as by general to a degree

Battleline by sub faction and general has been around for ages, it's nothing new.


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ERJAK wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/12/the-sons-of-behemat-receive-a-gargantuan-battletome-update-in-this-months-white-dwarf/


So factions getting own grand strategies(so power balance between old and new ones grows), battletactics(hopefully you replace standard ones with new ones in list creaion or old book vs new book gap increases even more)and fction specific battallion)

faction specific battalions again are stupid. We just got rid of those goddammit.

Hold off jumping to conclusions here. SoB are a unique case where due to the nature of the army they can't take most of the core battalions. New grand strategies will not be a power boost; there is already one that is achieved by having a battleline unit alive at the end of the game and everything in SoB is battleline. New battle tactics again do not mean they are better, nor does it mean they will be available in matched play to begin with.

And fleshing out PtG options via WD instead of waiting until a battletome update is a fantastic idea. If they had been doing that for Crusade this whole time I'd still be playing 40k.

For stormcast it is. Or what units for stormcast got battleline by subfaction?

Or did you even bother to read what i said? I said stormcast. Not game.

Yeah my point is that is a standard feature; we knew SCE were going to get it before the battletome was even announced.

tneva82 wrote:
For stormcast it is. Or what units for stormcast got battleline by subfaction?

Or did you even bother to read what i said? I said stormcast. Not game.

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Battletome#2nd_Edition

Stormcast Eternals are working with a three year old battletome that was the first release of second edition. That's plenty of time for GW to bring battleline by subfaction into the game using newer battletomes (e.g., Soulblight Gravelords, Hedonites of Slaanesh, Lumineth Realmlords, etc.).

They never said that the new battalions or whatever would be available for use in Matched Play, did they? It's a lot easier for the WD team to write rules for Narrative/Open play, which might be what that is.

It's possible... I doubt it though.

They are core battalions

tneva82 wrote:
They are core battalions

For Sons of Behemat, yes.

They haven't said anything beyond "battalions" for Stormcast, so could go either way.

Anyone else notice we've got a preview of a (to me at least) previously unknown unit?

BrianDavion wrote:
Anyone else notice we've got a preview of a (to me at least) previously unknown unit?

It's the Thing-Skewer Whatever-Bow, it was previewed ages ago

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Anyone else notice we've got a preview of a (to me at least) previously unknown unit?

It's the Thing-Skewer Whatever-Bow, it was previewed ages ago

musta missed it

What base do you think that is. Cavalry or the larger one Karkadraks/Gore Gruntas are on?

 Eldarain wrote:
What base do you think that is. Cavalry or the larger one Karkadraks/Gore Gruntas are on?

about the size of a marine bike maybe? that'd be a cavalry base yeah?