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ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
This bait and switch on the release has wound me up more than it should do.

Why not just start this weeks pre order article with an explanation of what is going on and an expected release date?

There is no bait and switch here. There is a delayed release, but these things are not the same.

GW stated around a month ago that the two new AoS books would be out in August.

Even using GW’s oft used logic of “out” meaning up for preorder , that is not going to happen.

So something is wrong somewhere. But not in the £200 action figure department

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Maybe the second print run of Kill Team is to blame?

Did it get to mto somewhere? Here it didn't and still available

Warhammer TV confirmed on Facebook that they're still rescheduling due to covid related complications and they will be "soon".

Which tbh they could have said in the article rather than rewriting history and insulting peoples intelligence by pretending it never happened.

Annoyed by the attitude not the delay.

Wholeheartedly agree Dudeface.

Changes to media to reflect changes to the release is less about insulting people's intelligence and more about just having a consistent message. Updating the graphic takes a few moments but means that GW doesn't then spend ages fielding confused questions by people.

That said it should come with a "sorry corona" type delay. Sometimes a touch more openness can work wonders.


That said there's all kinds of things that can muck up right now. Containers in short supply; shipments delayed; import slowdown; production shortfall at GW HQ - there's a legion of things that could muck up and right now chances are even 1 little problem causes a cascade of issues.


It's not just GW either; there's plenty of other firms feeling the pinches and problems

 Overread wrote:
Changes to media to reflect changes to the release is less about insulting people's intelligence and more about just having a consistent message. Updating the graphic takes a few moments but means that GW doesn't then spend ages fielding confused questions by people.

That said it should come with a "sorry corona" type delay. Sometimes a touch more openness can work wonders.


That said there's all kinds of things that can muck up right now. Containers in short supply; shipments delayed; import slowdown; production shortfall at GW HQ - there's a legion of things that could muck up and right now chances are even 1 little problem causes a cascade of issues.


It's not just GW either; there's plenty of other firms feeling the pinches and problems

I agree but there is no consistent message, we were told both books would be out August and a chaos book in October. A couple of weeks ago there was an article saying look for the books going up for preorder later this month.

That was the previous message and no new message has been given, they simply altered the old articles.

Yes I agree that GW could communicate better, but that the graphic change isn't an attempt at some kind of insult.

GW are not saints, but they also aren't the devils that some make them out to be either.

 Overread wrote:
Yes I agree that GW could communicate better, but that the graphic change isn't an attempt at some kind of insult.

GW are not saints, but they also aren't the devils that some make them out to be either.

I agree it's not an attempted insult, but to give a public commitment to a release window, miss it, then alter the historical articles to erase the evidence and pretend it never happened, does feel like an ignorant move that may feel insulting to some.

Oh, well. Went to see what the preorders were, and... nothing. Checked here and found out about quiet retcons to release plans and a big question mark.

I guess this is another of HBMC's proverb about GW never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

I guess I won't spend money? Again?
Its at least the third time just this year.

Dudeface wrote:
I agree but there is no consistent message, we were told both books would be out August and a chaos book in October. A couple of weeks ago there was an article saying look for the books going up for preorder later this month.

we were never told that books are out in August, they only said pre-orders are coming in August and we still have another weekend for that

I already said back than that the books are not coming in August as for a release GW would have used a different wording in their initial announcement

so far nothing happened, just people growing uneasy who believed that pre-order in August meant something different than release in September

if the books are not out end of September, we can start talking about GW having troubles and not telling people

 kodos wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I agree but there is no consistent message, we were told both books would be out August and a chaos book in October. A couple of weeks ago there was an article saying look for the books going up for preorder later this month.

we were never told that books are out in August, they only said pre-orders are coming in August and we still have another weekend for that

I already said back than that the books are not coming in August as for a release GW would have used a different wording in their initial announcement

so far nothing happened, just people growing uneasy who believed that pre-order in August meant something different than release in September

if the books are not out end of September, we can start talking about GW having troubles and not telling people

We don’t have another weekend for the books to be up for pre-order in August. The earliest they’d be up for preorder now is the 4th September.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 kodos wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I agree but there is no consistent message, we were told both books would be out August and a chaos book in October. A couple of weeks ago there was an article saying look for the books going up for preorder later this month.

we were never told that books are out in August, they only said pre-orders are coming in August and we still have another weekend for that

I already said back than that the books are not coming in August as for a release GW would have used a different wording in their initial announcement

so far nothing happened, just people growing uneasy who believed that pre-order in August meant something different than release in September

if the books are not out end of September, we can start talking about GW having troubles and not telling people

We don’t have another weekend for the books to be up for pre-order in August. The earliest they’d be up for preorder now is the 4th September.

This.

Also to help for context, this was the original message:

yeah, a pre-order in August, what is going into pre-order on 28th to make this impossible?

 kodos wrote:
yeah, a pre-order in August, what is going into pre-order on 28th to make this impossible?

Show me in this article (the list of preorder items for 28th) where there are 2 battletomes.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/22/sunday-preview-warhammer-launches-alongside-gladiatorial-gameplay-and-fantastic-fiction/

 kodos wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I agree but there is no consistent message, we were told both books would be out August and a chaos book in October. A couple of weeks ago there was an article saying look for the books going up for preorder later this month.

we were never told that books are out in August, they only said pre-orders are coming in August and we still have another weekend for that

I already said back than that the books are not coming in August as for a release GW would have used a different wording in their initial announcement

so far nothing happened, just people growing uneasy who believed that pre-order in August meant something different than release in September

if the books are not out end of September, we can start talking about GW having troubles and not telling people

Well we already know preorder won't be august. Next preorder we don't know is 4th september.

Yeah they all but spelled out "preorder on the 28th" with that statement; if it was going to be earlier they would have said *release* was in August.

But if it gets delayed? Good! I have been wishing for some time now that they would slow the heck down to allow for filling orders of existing product.

 kodos wrote:
yeah, a pre-order in August, what is going into pre-order on 28th to make this impossible?

The fact we already know preorders for 28th? Those were told yesterday. Gw doesn't hide those. Sunday before they TELL us what we can preorder next week.

So unless the august is 35 day long there won't be in preorder this month. It's not 28th and 28+7 is either 35th august(if calendar has suddenly changed) or it goes to september.

We don't need to speculate what comes to preorder on 28th.gw already told it.

For added safety gw fb team already confirmed delay quoting covid as reason.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Yeah they all but spelled out "preorder on the 28th" with that statement; if it was going to be earlier they would have said *release* was in August.

But if it gets delayed? Good! I have been wishing for some time now that they would slow the heck down to allow for filling orders of existing product.

Again, no problem with a delay. It might be beneficial for them to (literally) take stock as you say.

But the communication has been dire and as much I've been accused of white knighting god knows how many times on here, GW needed to do better when they commit to a release and then scrub the evidence after failing.

Dudeface wrote:

 kodos wrote:
yeah, a pre-order in August, what is going into pre-order on 28th to make this impossible?

Show me in this article (the list of preorder items for 28th) where there are 2 battletomes.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/22/sunday-preview-warhammer-launches-alongside-gladiatorial-gameplay-and-fantastic-fiction/

they can still change it if needed (would not be the first WC article to be wrong or re-written later because things changed)

but from the very first statement, it has always been the 28th not earlier

for my personal opinion, it was already a mistake releasing the 3rd Edition on the original date as GW should have none that everything else will be late
and changing launch to August because of Covid with Armybooks being September and no one would have been upset
but they wanted to stick with their original release slots,for whatever reason

so lets see if they manage to get the pre-orders done as promised, and they still have a week for that

 kodos wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 kodos wrote:
yeah, a pre-order in August, what is going into pre-order on 28th to make this impossible?

Show me in this article (the list of preorder items for 28th) where there are 2 battletomes.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/22/sunday-preview-warhammer-launches-alongside-gladiatorial-gameplay-and-fantastic-fiction/

they can still change it if needed (would not be the first WC article to be wrong or re-written later because things changed)

but from the very first statement, it has always been the 28th not earlier

for my personal opinion, it was already a mistake releasing the 3rd Edition on the original date as GW should have none that everything else will be late
and changing launch to August because of Covid with Armybooks being September and no one would have been upset
but they wanted to stick with their original release slots,for whatever reason

so lets see if they manage to get the pre-orders done as promised, and they still have a week for that

Your blind optimism is refreshing, but if they'd simply forgotten to put them on the article I don't think they'd have altered the articles referring to the August preorders.

And confirmed in fb delayed quoting covid.

Optimism isnjt word i would use.

I think a simple note in this weeks "next weeks pre-order" that simply said "Worried about now new Orruk and SCE Battletomes? Covid's got our schedule slightly delayed but no worries people, they'll be coming soon!"
woulda been all they needed to do. it's a minor minor issue in the great scheme of things people I think are more frustrated at the lack of communication then the actual problem itself

BrianDavion wrote:
I think a simple note in this weeks "next weeks pre-order" that simply said "Worried about now new Orruk and SCE Battletomes? Covid's got our schedule slightly delayed but no worries people, they'll be coming soon!"
woulda been all they needed to do. it's a minor minor issue in the great scheme of things people I think are more frustrated at the lack of communication then the actual problem itself

Yep.

While i'm irritated having both armies(and not wanting to buy old book atm) it's not something i would lose sleep over but again gw doing things hysh-hysh and in random way(why they talk about delay but not in whc?) Is worse.

Would be nice to have some scale of delay but that would open up for further delays. Mavbe instead give bit of bone by giving at least further hints on 3rd book to keep hype train somewhat going?

tneva82 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I think a simple note in this weeks "next weeks pre-order" that simply said "Worried about now new Orruk and SCE Battletomes? Covid's got our schedule slightly delayed but no worries people, they'll be coming soon!"
woulda been all they needed to do. it's a minor minor issue in the great scheme of things people I think are more frustrated at the lack of communication then the actual problem itself

Yep.

While i'm irritated having both armies(and not wanting to buy old book atm) it's not something i would lose sleep over but again gw doing things hysh-hysh and in random way(why they talk about delay but not in whc?) Is worse.

Would be nice to have some scale of delay but that would open up for further delays. Mavbe instead give bit of bone by giving at least further hints on 3rd book to keep hype train somewhat going?

or even do another preview or two. but yeah, the hype is at a lower simmer now due to the delay.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/23/we-rate-gryphs-a-guide-to-the-cutest-and-most-ferocious-stormcast-eternal-companions/

At least now they acknowledged in whc the delay.

Too bad still just vague september and atm won't trust even that

I wonder if GW is so reluctant to admit something went wrong because it would upset shareholders or w/e

tneva82 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/23/we-rate-gryphs-a-guide-to-the-cutest-and-most-ferocious-stormcast-eternal-companions/

At least now they acknowledged in whc the delay.

Too bad still just vague september and atm won't trust even that

I would, actually. What's the worst delay we've seen where they've actually had to adjust an announced release date? Death Guard? That was release a month late and people around here couldn't actually get stuff for another month.

GW isn't immune to shipping delays by any stretch, but they do seem to be late by a few weeks at most rather than having significant disruptions. At least for things that have been announced.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I wonder if GW is so reluctant to admit something went wrong because it would upset shareholders or w/e

GW has shown a variety of responses to delays and similar issues in the past few years ranging from surprisingly unrestrained disclosure to outright rewriting history without any recognizable pattern to it. I'm not sure shareholder concerns are any more reasonable an explanation than voodoo or rolling the PR response on a random table.

While frustrated about the delay, I think I can survive a few more weeks. Though if they put the three Battletomes together I could be doomed as I bought into AOS 3.0 because I love the look of the new SCE, I already have a large force of Orruks and Maggotkin and the Dominion set was a nice start to expand the Orruk Warclans. Getting all 3 battletomes in one go could hurt as I would also like some of the new SCE dragon riders and other models. Good thing the new job pays more and gives me more free time.

Annoyingly they said preorder september. So 25th preorder with 2nd october fulfils statement