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Knight Judicator seems like a better Knight Venator to me.

Could be that they update the Venator to be good, though, so who knows.

I am SO HAPPY to see SCE getting the hit/wound/rend profiles they deserve! No more of the piddly mortal-level 4+/3+/rend - profiles! It is something I have wanted to see from the very start, just really glad to see it happen.

Chariot doesn't have any fancy abilities and IMO? Good! It doesn't need anything crazy, a case where less is more. Between its solid stat block and significant MW output on the charge it fills & creates a tactical niche which is really going to reward proper positioning & targeting. Shame the bow is kinda a non-option but it is what it is.

Knight-Judicator seems like a pretty big overlap with Venator, will have to see how that is managed. Maybe an eventual replacement? SCE could certainly use less warscrolls and I know the looks-cool-but-stabs-everything-nearby wings aren't popular due to their impracticality.

BrianDavion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
It's got good ogor charge and lots of rend. Melee is where strength is over couple pot shots. Can be nasty model depending on cost.

so you figure spear is proably best?

Oh yeah, spear all the way.

All 4 kits released this week are push fit kits probably why they are released together. Troggoth has no options

I am not mad at it if it means they are a bit cheaper, and they are lower priced than most people expected. Some of the sprues do look oddly sparse though given how crammed the majority of modern GW ones are.

Both head options on the Knight are...mehhh.


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Knight-Judicator seems like a pretty big overlap with Venator, will have to see how that is managed. Maybe an eventual replacement? SCE could certainly use less warscrolls and I know the looks-cool-but-stabs-everything-nearby wings aren't popular due to their impracticality.

Also because y'know...once per game abilities aren't a great thing.

Honestly, I think all the Harbinger Chamber(angels) are likely to get a significant refocus. That whole first year or two of SCE releases was just a mess conceptually.

None of them have their warscrolls on .pdf.

Killbow and Knight-Judicator have 90 mm oval bases, Knight and Breaka-boss have optional heads for the main hero and the Mirebrute.

Push-fit monopose seems to be the new standard.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Push-fit monopose seems to be the new standard.

The very first models of a new edition have been push fits for a while now.

I still wonder if they will make standard and musician Chaos Warriors and Knights, or they will stay like that.

Again what I noticed is the lack of free warscrolls.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Both head options on the Knight are...mehhh.


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Knight-Judicator seems like a pretty big overlap with Venator, will have to see how that is managed. Maybe an eventual replacement? SCE could certainly use less warscrolls and I know the looks-cool-but-stabs-everything-nearby wings aren't popular due to their impracticality.

Also because y'know...once per game abilities aren't a great thing.

Honestly, I think all the Harbinger Chamber(angels) are likely to get a significant refocus. That whole first year or two of SCE releases was just a mess conceptually.

They were pretty consistent with the concepts, and it isn't even that the wings are bad. To the contrary; they look amazing. But they are just so dam impractical to actually play with.

Why are 1/game abilities bad?


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Push-fit monopose seems to be the new standard.

This is an opinion based on narrowing down the sample evidence to a small enough window that it doesn't seem nonsensical. It could still very much be correct, but current the body of evidence does not at all support the assertion.


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 CMLR wrote:
Again what I noticed is the lack of free warscrolls.

Yeah. An unfortunate shift and AoS is worse for it. The warscrolls will still be available for free online, GW just lost out on providing them.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Push-fit monopose seems to be the new standard.

Nah, around 4 of these style of push fit kits have come with each new edition since Dark Imperium.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
Again what I noticed is the lack of free warscrolls.

Yeah. An unfortunate shift and AoS is worse for it. The warscrolls will still be available for free online, GW just lost out on providing them.

Unfortunate indeed. I played games and bought models because the warscrolls were available for free.

 CMLR wrote:

Again what I noticed is the lack of free warscrolls.

Don't worry I'm sure they'll be available """FOR FREE!!!!""" if you subscribe to Warhammer+(tm) full of awesome content, new shows every week and a """FFRREEEEE!!!!!""" miniature of your choosing! Subscribe now!

 Geifer wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
Again what I noticed is the lack of free warscrolls.

Yeah. An unfortunate shift and AoS is worse for it. The warscrolls will still be available for free online, GW just lost out on providing them.

Unfortunate indeed. I played games and bought models because the warscrolls were available for free.

But guys! They have a Facebook page. GW have changed!

 Arbitrator wrote:

 CMLR wrote:

Again what I noticed is the lack of free warscrolls.

Don't worry I'm sure they'll be available """FOR FREE!!!!""" if you subscribe to Warhammer+(tm) full of awesome content, new shows every week and a """FFRREEEEE!!!!!""" miniature of your choosing! Subscribe now!

I enjoy the sarcastic yet entirely accurate and acceptable rant content. Although they won't be free in the app, they'll be tied to the code in the book ala 40k I'd guess.

We know for sure after to Armybook is out, but for now it looks like AoS is popular enough so that GW don't need to push it with free stuff any more

Funny that, how much AoS has changed hey?

I mean sure a multimillion company needed to change the full premise of AoS which was free 3 page rules, use what you want and free warscrolls and try to turn it into the mess of expensive books and rules...
A pass for me on all updates and rules for 40k and same with AoS apparently. Covid and this GW shift to shorter and shorter editions and gatekeeping the rules, errata etc etc makes it easy pass.

The books alone are way too expensive if you have multiple factions and you have to replace them for more expensive updated ones in a couple years...

 kodos wrote:
We know for sure after to Armybook is out, but for now it looks like AoS is popular enough so that GW don't need to push it with free stuff any more

I mean, we already know, don't we? The warscrolls aren't missing by accident and GW has already announced that the Age of Sigmar app will work similarly to the 40k one.

I want to say this was inevitable, but it's still not great to see when it actually happens.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Funny that, how much AoS has changed hey?

I mean sure a multimillion company needed to change the full premise of AoS which was free 3 page rules, use what you want and free warscrolls and try to turn it into the mess of expensive books and rules...
A pass for me on all updates and rules for 40k and same with AoS apparently. Covid and this GW shift to shorter and shorter editions and gatekeeping the rules, errata etc etc makes it easy pass.

The books alone are way too expensive if you have multiple factions and you have to replace them for more expensive updated ones in a couple years...

Four pages, actually. And twelve pages of annotations because it turns out you can't write a rule set like that in four pages. But four pages sure sounded good to the marketing guys.

Not sure what you mean by gatekeeping the rules, but I find that the shorter lifespan of an army book is made worse by splitting off extra stuff in DLC-like fashion. You'd think that if you're going to buy a new army book every three years, and in a few cases less than that, you don't need any more stuff in between that may or may not be repeated in the next army book. This is why I haven't bought any GW rules in years aside from those that came in starter boxes and the like that I bought for the models. Horrific business model, as far as I'm concerned.

Definitely agreed on the upkeep for multiple factions. It's been a problem for me for many years and the free warscrolls provided for AoS have been somewhat of a reprieve until now. It's not even about what I can afford so much as what I want to afford, considering GW's approach to rules these days and how much they're asking for them.

From Ash at GMG's review the Kruleboyz models from Dominion have almost universally gotten points reductions from the set.

Best of all seems the Sloggoth...150pts on a non degrading profile with a +1 melee to hit roll in an 18 inch (entirely within) bubble for all friendly models. Ash seemed very eager to have one for his Ogres.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Push-fit monopose seems to be the new standard.

Nah, around 4 of these style of push fit kits have come with each new edition since Dark Imperium.

In ye old days they would be called Easy to Build and would be substantially cheaper. Now they are just slighly cheaper but is better than 40k Outriders or Necron Destroyers that cost the same as a normal unit and are easy to build (Even if calling ETB to Indomitus Necrons is a crime because feth those necrons)

goonhammer SCE review

https://www.goonhammer.com/battletome-stormcast-eternals-3-0-the-goonhammer-review/

 CMLR wrote:
None of them have their warscrolls on .pdf.

Noo, people told me just because Dominion didn't have them doesn't mean GW will push it's paid app over free PDFs!
Who could've guessed they'll strip that away once their premium service launches!

As for prices, the chariot is the same price as idoneth shark, which seems fair.

 Geifer wrote:

 kodos wrote:
We know for sure after to Armybook is out, but for now it looks like AoS is popular enough so that GW don't need to push it with free stuff any more

I mean, we already know, don't we? The warscrolls aren't missing by accident and GW has already announced that the Age of Sigmar app will work similarly to the 40k one.

kind of, some people knew it right from the point it happened with 40k that AoS will follow (they won't maintain 2 different system and using a new system for 40k instead of the working one from AoS meant that AoS will follow the less free stuff 40k way), while there is still the "wait and see" crowed around

Cronch wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
None of them have their warscrolls on .pdf.

Noo, people told me just because Dominion didn't have them doesn't mean GW will push it's paid app over free PDFs!
Who could've guessed they'll strip that away once their premium service launches!

As for prices, the chariot is the same price as idoneth shark, which seems fair.

Idoneth shark is not EtB push-fit, and I mean, those types of kits were, at least historically, quite cheap compared to regular ones for what they were. The EtB Stormcast Ballista comes with two crew members and costs less than a single Lord Ordinator, or the Lumineth Ballista, for example. Reiknor is also EtB, and he costs around the same as a Primaris Captain - and he's like, a quite decently-sized model, with a scenic base and huge wings.

Reading some of the leaks and stuff people are posting on Facebook and man, they Nerfed the Ironjawz Allegiance Abilities quite hard. They lost the +1 to Charges, the d6 move if they take damage in a phase, their Waaagh no longer gives +1 attack to models, and their command ability no longer lets you fight twice. It’s Harsh.

Wait until you see the Ardboyz Warscroll.

 Galas wrote:
Wait until you see the Ardboyz Warscroll.

Oh? Do tell.

Clearly they wanted to make ardboyz the defensive chaff of Ironjawz but the offensive output of old black orcs is a little... I'm just sad of watching my favourite unit of old treated like that.

I wouldn't be agaisnt all the greenskins nerfs if it was the first of a series of more tame battletomes. But I have enough experience with AoS to know that bonkers broken stuff is gonna come out anyway, so they'll get stuck with lackluster warscrolls and rules.

 AduroT wrote:
Reading some of the leaks and stuff people are posting on Facebook and man, they Nerfed the Ironjawz Allegiance Abilities quite hard. They lost the +1 to Charges, the d6 move if they take damage in a phase, their Waaagh no longer gives +1 attack to models, and their command ability no longer lets you fight twice. It’s Harsh.

. The megaboss on foot lets you give a command ability to two units at once (two units get to use mighty destroyers at once) and the brutes have a rule that means nearby one wound models can't capture objectives if they are nearby. That's a pretty amazing ability.
Overall I think the Ironjawz got a pretty decent buff.
It's the bonesplittas that lost out.

Galas wrote:

Spoiler:

Clearly they wanted to make ardboyz the defensive chaff of Ironjawz but the offensive output of old black orcs is a little... I'm just sad of watching my favourite unit of old treated like that.

I wouldn't be agaisnt all the greenskins nerfs if it was the first of a series of more tame battletomes. But I have enough experience with AoS to know that bonkers broken stuff is gonna come out anyway, so they'll get stuck with lackluster warscrolls and rules.

Oof. +1 attack, but -1 to hit and 1 worse Rend. No more penalty to opponent’s bravery, -1 to their own bravery buff, and -1 to their charge buff. +2 to bringing back dead dudes is nice, but you can’t use that within 3” of the enemy and I’ve found I seldom get to use it much.

Chikout wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Reading some of the leaks and stuff people are posting on Facebook and man, they Nerfed the Ironjawz Allegiance Abilities quite hard. They lost the +1 to Charges, the d6 move if they take damage in a phase, their Waaagh no longer gives +1 attack to models, and their command ability no longer lets you fight twice. It’s Harsh.

. The megaboss on foot lets you give a command ability to two units at once (two units get to use mighty destroyers at once) and the brutes have a rule that means nearby one wound models can't capture objectives if they are nearby. That's a pretty amazing ability.
Overall I think the Ironjawz got a pretty decent buff.
It's the bonesplittas that lost out.

The Brute thing is nice, and two for one Command Abilities is ok, but Mighty Destroyers took a big hit not being able to fight twice with it. From the stuff people are posting the Nerfs are FAR outweighing the buffs.

 AduroT wrote:
Reading some of the leaks and stuff people are posting on Facebook and man, they Nerfed the Ironjawz Allegiance Abilities quite hard. They lost the +1 to Charges, the d6 move if they take damage in a phase, their Waaagh no longer gives +1 attack to models, and their command ability no longer lets you fight twice. It’s Harsh.

According to Goonhammer, Ironjawz are actually pretty good.

A minute of silence for those Bonesplittaz victims...