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Oh i don't know, the pieces are actually quite massive, the floating fountain and skeleton especially. It's already given me a table idea to build based around an archaeological dig using the bones and buildings.

I like the terrain, but I will probably just wait for the basic releases. I have enough of the rebuilt buildings, it's the bones and the floating meditation chamber that I really want, aside from the Essence Monster, which will be cool to run with my Destruction stuff.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Oh i don't know, the pieces are actually quite massive, the floating fountain and skeleton especially. It's already given me a table idea to build based around an archaeological dig using the bones and buildings.

Might massive but not being los blocking nor particularly tall looking not much impact game. Also dragon bones is fairly generic terrain piece. Plenty available for cheaper.

This sounds rather fun, i like these incarnates:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/06/krondspine-incarnates-grow-in-power-as-they-bash-monsters-and-devour-endless-spells/

And judging by the background, the floating fountain is massive.

Well we can see size already. And yes it's tall. Doesn't block los to anything and tall isn't as good as wide as wide affects movement more.

Having a magic murder skelemental run around eating endless spells to power up is exactly the sort of thing I play AoS for. Excited to see it on the table.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
This sounds rather fun, i like these incarnates:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/06/krondspine-incarnates-grow-in-power-as-they-bash-monsters-and-devour-endless-spells/

And judging by the background, the floating fountain is massive.

It appears that this is the first in what will be a host of Incarnates to come. There is a lot of potential here for gameplay and fun! I love this idea!

Btw new nh&dok warscrolls in app

Hm, craventhrone are awful at that point cost. Would make sense if it was for 10 of them, but for 5? Dem Scriptor Mortis though, those are going to cause some problems I think. Though they are hilariously good at countering the current meta so it will be amusing to some degree.

As someone who loves the Path to Glory style of play, i am excited:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/07/wars-a-racket-in-thondia-reap-the-benefits-of-outposts-with-this-new-path-to-glory-battlepack/

And jeez the size of that Magmadroth skull. Let's have a living version of that for the Fyreslayers.

Entirely apathetic to PtG content. It has the bones of a great system but it feels unfinished and severely hobbled by the devotion to making PtG armies compatible with matched play.

But a fresh Anvil of Abotheosis!? GIMME

Anvil of Apotheosis sounds cool. I've got a few odd models that don't quite make a unit, so it would be nice to turn them into all-singing, all-dancing heroes.

I like the Krondspine Incarnate, but would rather have the option to get it separately. I hope that happens further down the line...

It will eventually. They said the box will be split down. This is one of those "discount boxes", as when everything is split up, i don't see any of those terrain pieces going for less that £40, minimum.

Well my AoA excitement has been dimmed by the preview. I know I'll still enjoy it but I am disappointed to see the non-wizard/non-priest option be so completely pathetic. How the heck is a 1/game free command ability supposed to be worth the same as spell or prayer capacity?

Welcome to ye olde conundrum of martials vs casters.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/realmscape-thondian-strongpoint-2022

Cleansing Aqualith is 2 sprues the rest are 1. If the Domicile shells are £35 for 1 sprue the Aqualith is probably a £50 kit on it's own.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Welcome to ye olde conundrum of martials vs casters.

Sure, but the first AoA made a pretty good go at evening them out by providing what were at the time really powerful command abilities. Even in third it was an extra instance of all out attack and defense that paired well with the new abundance of command points, though regardless the commander option fell behind wizards & priests being more potent. Then this new one comes along and instead of addressing the problem actively exacerbates it by nerfing the commander option into the ground when it was already the worst option. And it is still 5 points for 1 extra CP first round? That is a near-useless benefit, it would never be taken if it were 1 point but someone thinks it should still be 5. Absolute incompetence.

Warcom, by way of the Underworlds articles, seems to have been casually hinting at what are either Malerions shadow aelves or "shadow daemons" all week long and nary a peep from you people... how is this not bigger news?

Because we have no real idea what it actually is, and it's primarily for Underworlds anyways.

Still waiting on Kurnothi and Snarlfangs to be anything bigger for AoS, after all.

Thondia battlepack tactics, grand strategies etc in app for free. Looks like i'm not a fan of this pack. While ghb gave bonuses to monsters it was just 1vp(half a battle tactic) and bonus for killing monster meant you could win without ones. Thondia has 7 tactics, 6 gives bonus doing with incarnate and bonus is full battle tactic...

Guess if i play with this pack i just agree for both sides getting free incarnate. Hard to see winning without one as fairly easy 6- 8 vp bonus is hard to compensate(and monsters don't give any bonuses here).

Pity, i had had high hopes for variations but this basically rams 400pts model down your throat. And until it comes solo box don't even　have it so can't play missions for a while.

Yea the battlepack really seems more oriented for like, if you play with your buddy all the time and want to go through a little 2 player league/campaign but without all the narrative strappings.

Not super suited for PUGs or tournaments

I was really disappointed with the rules content in the Thondia book. It is mostly a mass of battlepack content that is not going to be used. People don't like to just swap battlepacks willy-nilly. Rotating it a couple times a year sure, but learning a new pack is a bit of a chore and people prefer to be on the same page. The Path to Glory content is just as horribly stale as everything else GW has released for it (seriously, why lay down good foundations then refuse to build anything on them?) and the 'new' Anvil is 95% reprint with the few changes only serving to make it worse than the original. They didn't even add in the double-weapon option present in all the WD anvils!

Incarnate is a great concept and a good starting point. Unfortunately the rules break gameplay on multiple levels and will need a few rounds of eratta to get right.

That all said the fluff is awesome. Cool story, great characterization despite having limited space, and stuffed full of extra little snippets. The bestiary section with WHFB 6th-style sketches and in-universe descriptions was particularly great. Also worth noting that all of the art directly represents the miniatures... except bullgors; their art is considerably different from the current model.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Also worth noting that all of the art directly represents the miniatures... except bullgors; their art is considerably different from the current model.

Now you're just teasing!

Any more info you can share on this? Pretty please with a moo on top.

Clanrat and plague monk new box art leaked to put final nail in coffin on q of what's the summer chaos book.

tneva82 wrote:
Clanrat and plague monk new box art leaked to put final nail in coffin on q of what's the summer chaos book.

Same monk kit? Shame, though it does keep the price down.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Clanrat and plague monk new box art leaked to put final nail in coffin on q of what's the summer chaos book.

Same monk kit? Shame, though it does keep the price down.

I saw the picture, and it is the same kit yeah. Shame, doesn’t bode well for the kind of refresh the Skaven range could do with.

Actually could bode well - Skaven have a huge range so some doubling up might let them keep the same unit slots.

Heck the weapons teams could easily be combined into a single kit and that would cut 4 or 5 weapon team kits.


EDIT - If these are them then they look like repackaging not new kits.

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Monks are decent enough kit that who prioritles them over say...plastic skyre acolytes? Gutter runnners? Jezzails? Completely new unit?

I’d prioritise them over a new unit for sure. They are not good models these days.

With AoS how it is right now Skaven don't need any "new" toys. They need a range update with one or two new things, but predominantly just pushing a huge chunk of their range out of the 90s with updated modern plastics. They've honestly more choice than most AoS armies right now.

AoS works well with that at present. There's only 4 unit divisions; leader, troop, monster, artillery. And of them many armies don't have any artillery and many share models between leader and monster.

So small armies can compete quite easily.
Now I still feel that AoS should have more. I'd like to see priests and mages splinter off from leaders; to see Cavalry separate out of troops and perhaps even shock and line infantry separate too (beyond battlineline). Artillery I'd like to see expanded model support wise. Sure they won't all be huge trebuchets designs to take out walls, but light anti infantry/monster artillery should be pretty common in the setting. Bolt throwers; flamers; catapults etc.....