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And was then followed by fantasy mounts for the same army in the next release

Chikout wrote:
This joke is a touch out of date. Lumineth and chaos warriors both ride more or less ordinary horses.

If there's one thing this board knows, it's how to not only drive a joke into the ground, but grind it up so hard it turns to ash.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Daughters of Khaine, Lumineth, Slaves to Darkness (Marauders), Black Knights and various death models

They are all riding some variation of standard horse. Granted the Black Knight ones are dead and the Daughters of Khaine are a little, cursed, but they are all equines.

One of those was sculpted for AoS.

And? They still exist in those armies.

Chaos knights another. And aos era sculpt too. By years

Tzeentch pre-orders next week, and the promise of BIG news for AoS. Which I fully expect to be a Pune, or play on words, as it’ll relate to the forthcoming Giants.

It's the Vanguard, book, dice, and warscroll cards specificially.

Disappointing Tzeentch box, perhaps the lowest value of any they've released to date?

Tzangors $50
Screamers $35
Flamers $35
Acolytes $27.50
Magister $38

$185.50 - a $35.50 savings, so you get one of the Daemon units for free? It feels particularly cheap in that the flamers are some of the worst/oldest models in the range and you only get a half box of acolytes, though I wouldn't be surprised if those are repacked in boxes of 10 with this release as they are among the biggest "steals" in the range at $55 for 20. That would push the price/savings up to $213/$53.


It's also just a shame not to make this box work for both systems. You could do a Shaman, Enlightened, Tzangors, Pink Horrors, Blue Horrors and the combined price would be $4 cheaper!

Oh, that's a shame. I like the composition but I didn't work out the savings.

It also suffers from the Tzaangors and Acolytes having been in so many big boxes in the past (including X-mas boxes). They're far too easy to find.

Far as I know, they're all around that.

Voss wrote:
It also suffers from the Tzaangors and Acolytes having been in so many big boxes in the past (including X-mas boxes). They're far too easy to find.

Made more sense when running big units of them was ideal, but with 3rd restricting large units and the current season of Matched actively punishing large units of battleline having multiple extras of those kits is extremely unattractive.

To be fair as someone getting started its a good set, it does show that armies like Tzeentch can have few good options to build a starter plastic set out of; but that's just part of not being Spacemarines/Stormcast


That said AoS 3.0 is indeed very harsh on unit sizes. My hope is that its a deliberate move toward getting more newbies in by lowing the model count and that 4.0 will start to up the army sizes again.

So people complain about price of game yet still desire to make it even more expensive

I don't know if there's a single Warhammer unit that's more easily avalible than Tzaangors, given GW is absolutely dead-set on shoving them into every single possible box they can.

I've been looking forward to this one, at least for the Warscrolls.

Damn, better snag a start collecting daemons of Tzeentch quickly then...

It got removed from GW store for a while already getting rarer and rarer to find.

So good luck. If you find one worth grabbing it.

tneva82 wrote:
So people complain about price of game yet still desire to make it even more expensive

Nope.

tneva82 wrote:
So people complain about price of game yet still desire to make it even more expensive

It's more about the game at the top end being more of the game many of us have come to love - and have built armies for - which is not rank and file any more, but was larger infantry groups. 40K gets away with them currently so its clearly not something that has to be present for the game to function.

It's just your standard GW over-reacting to balance by swinging with extreme swings. There are ways to make larger infantry groups work and not dominate the game.

The nice thing is the framework is there with 3rd, unit sizes have been brought into line (mostly) and reinforcement introduced as a standardized process. It's just that reinforcement points don't need to exist, and currently act as only a detriment.

I also feel like the reinforcement point system is - clunky. It just feels needlessly complicated. It's not but its another step toward the kind of setup that 40K has which, with GW unable to write a codex with any sense of information flow, can make things complex without them being complicated.


Heck the Soulblight Battletome doesn't even have unit types ordered. Leaders are interspaced with troops and beasts all the way through. You can't just flip to the start of unit profiles and find the leaders etc....



I'll be curious to see how they keep weapon options. Right now its in the "don't care" situation where there's almost no difference. Granted I think part of that was 2.0 making spears or any long reach weapon basically better than any short reach weapon by default. A level playing field at least means visually there's no punishment whichever way you go; but I do wonder if they'll bring back unique profiles again

 flaherty wrote:
Disappointing Tzeentch box, perhaps the lowest value of any they've released to date?

Tzangors $50
Screamers $35
Flamers $35
Acolytes $27.50
Magister $38

$185.50 - a $35.50 savings, so you get one of the Daemon units for free? It feels particularly cheap in that the flamers are some of the worst/oldest models in the range and you only get a half box of acolytes, though I wouldn't be surprised if those are repacked in boxes of 10 with this release as they are among the biggest "steals" in the range at $55 for 20. That would push the price/savings up to $213/$53.


It's also just a shame not to make this box work for both systems. You could do a Shaman, Enlightened, Tzangors, Pink Horrors, Blue Horrors and the combined price would be $4 cheaper!

Vanguard boxes are priced at $130, not $150. Its a $55.50 savings.

They have been doing a pretty good job of standardizing and eliminating needless weapon profiles IMO. Like the SCE tome making all the basic hero weapons the same profile was a great move. Spear weapons were always the better option for big units while the hand weapons were better for min units, so they both have a role (save in Skaven). There have been a few flops but overall I have been pretty happy with the improvement in that aspect

Beast smasher Mega Gargant.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/20/prepare-to-pulverise-your-prey-with-the-beast-smasher-mega-gargant/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-age-of-sigmar&utm_content=reveal:-the-other-gargant-build&fbclid=IwAR0cgHkM9SIRrPohqsD8o-aN13Ow4qNEzoh2_3WQfC9_UFi1Z5afxCNoEm8

Another new Mega Gargant.

Cool cool. More giants for the giant god.

Beast smasher is not the worst looking variant but unfortunately it doesn't solve the biggest problem of Sons of Behemat - gargantuan sized price tag. It's a lovely kit but few tenners more than it should be.

That was always going to be a weak point for an army made of massive models. On the flipside you might only need 1 or 2 of the kit ever. So its a high price tag, but its one that you won't be doing all that often.

Plus there's already mention of a named destruction ally variation.

They really, really need to release a second Mega-gargant kit with new legs. If you only have 2-3 of a model in an army, having them all posed the same looks pretty meh.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
They really, really need to release a second Mega-gargant kit with new legs. If you only have 2-3 of a model in an army, having them all posed the same looks pretty meh.

I'd rather, if they do a whole other Mega-Gargant kit, we get the ones described fighting alongside Sigmar during the Age of Myth.

Some fully plate clad Gargants, with helms and shields and spears would look phenomenal.

The model looks fine. But nothing about him screams monster hunter or killer. The bits that are monster themed come in the generic kit and the head, hand, and weapon also don’t seem right. Why is the crazy beast hunter munching on normal humans and not a monstrous mammoth? Why isn’t his club a giant bone or skull?