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2022/10/25 10:58:59
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Ogor Mawtribes p. 97, LRL + DoT p. 98, New Mega-Gargant p.100)
100% fake. Umbraneth is a name that the community invented. The new DoK book has the correct name but I forget what it is. If that's not correct anything else is at best a lucky guess.
Personally I'm expect Gloomspite, Flesh water courts and Seraphon to make an appearance early next year.
2022/10/25 11:05:57
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Ogor Mawtribes p. 97, LRL + DoT p. 98, New Mega-Gargant p.100)
100% fake. Umbraneth is a name that the community invented. The new DoK book has the correct name but I forget what it is. If that's not correct anything else is at best a lucky guess.
Personally I'm expect Gloomspite, Flesh water courts and Seraphon to make an appearance early next year.
Not saying it's not fake but Umbraneth does appear pretty legit, considering WarCom also use the term.
Automatically Appended Next Post: FYI, this particular WarCom article has since been edited so who knows. Time will tell.
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Chaos | Tau | Space Wolves
NH | SCE | Nurgle
2022/10/25 11:17:45
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Ogor Mawtribes p. 97, LRL + DoT p. 98, New Mega-Gargant p.100)
100% fake. Umbraneth is a name that the community invented. The new DoK book has the correct name but I forget what it is. If that's not correct anything else is at best a lucky guess.
Personally I'm expect Gloomspite, Flesh water courts and Seraphon to make an appearance early next year.
Not saying it's not fake but Umbraneth does appear pretty legit, considering WarCom also use the term.
Automatically Appended Next Post: FYI, this particular WarCom article has since been edited so who knows. Time will tell.
Yeah this is where it comes from. The Warhammer community article wasn't edited; this picture was. It's a well known fake.
2022/10/25 11:24:28
Subject: AOS N&R (Ogor Mawtribes p. 97, LRL + DoT p. 98, New Mega-Gargant p.100)
Overread wrote: Stormcast have fought Cities of Sigmar before. You get a bunch of Chaos infections in a region, a few slightly unhinged Stormcast and suddenly they decide the best thing to do is purge the population and the population do not like that.
Heck it would be a neat way to present that lore to the bulk of the fanbase in a very upfront manner to show that the Stormcast are not the pure saviours many would hope for
Eh, despite of the few grimderp elements Sigmarines got in 2nd ed they're still heroic champions of Sigmar. Remember that Cities of Sigmar isn't Cities of Sigmar anymore but gets rebranded to Dawnbringer Crusades. Like Sigmarines I doubt that Dawnbringer Crusades will be presented as anything but devout followers of Sigmar, at least on the surface.
It would be very uncharacteristic to have something as prominent as the starter box feature what looks like good guys fighting other good guys from the same faction. That's the kind of narrative you might get in a campaign supplement, not in an edition starter. It'll be two visually distinct factions that can be divided into good guys and bad guys by just looking at them. It's why we have yet to get a starter set of Marines versus Eldar. It takes lore knowledge to see why that's not an issue. That's not something GW wants for its starter sets.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
2022/10/25 11:41:13
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Ogor Mawtribes p. 97, LRL + DoT p. 98, New Mega-Gargant p.100)
100% fake. Umbraneth is a name that the community invented. The new DoK book has the correct name but I forget what it is. If that's not correct anything else is at best a lucky guess.
Personally I'm expect Gloomspite, Flesh water courts and Seraphon to make an appearance early next year.
Not saying it's not fake but Umbraneth does appear pretty legit, considering WarCom also use the term.
Automatically Appended Next Post: FYI, this particular WarCom article has since been edited so who knows. Time will tell.
Yeah this is where it comes from. The Warhammer community article wasn't edited; this picture was. It's a well known fake.
Gotchya - cheers.
Chaos | Tau | Space Wolves
NH | SCE | Nurgle
2022/10/25 12:26:30
Subject: AOS N&R (Ogor Mawtribes p. 97, LRL + DoT p. 98, New Mega-Gargant p.100)
Geifer wrote: Like Sigmarines I doubt that Dawnbringer Crusades will be presented as anything but devout followers of Sigmar, at least on the surface.
We already know that every Dawnbringer Crusade is partially corrupted by the Changeling.
You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
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2022/10/25 13:31:29
Subject: AOS N&R (Ogor Mawtribes p. 97, LRL + DoT p. 98, New Mega-Gargant p.100)
Geifer wrote: Like Sigmarines I doubt that Dawnbringer Crusades will be presented as anything but devout followers of Sigmar, at least on the surface.
We already know that every Dawnbringer Crusade is partially corrupted by the Changeling.
Meaningfully?
Sigmar's personal architect who designed the Dawnbringer cities is the Changeling in disguise. Tzeentch's plans are designed into the very layout of the cities according to the Disciples battle tome.
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You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
2022/10/25 15:49:20
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Ogor Mawtribes p. 97, LRL + DoT p. 98, New Mega-Gargant p.100)
That sounds like slow corruption over the long term, or the foundation of an eventual invasion plan. Not something that would overtly affect the loyalty of the people in question on a massive level at the time the army is released.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
2022/10/25 15:52:12
Subject: AOS N&R (Ogor Mawtribes p. 97, LRL + DoT p. 98, New Mega-Gargant p.100)
No, but if Sigmar suddenly found out, he'd definitely send the Stormcast to deter the foundations of these cities rather than help them. Who ever said that the Dawnbringers were automatically the villains in this scenario?
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You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
2022/10/25 16:17:59
Subject: AOS N&R (Ogor Mawtribes p. 97, LRL + DoT p. 98, New Mega-Gargant p.100)
Platuan4th wrote: No, but if Sigmar suddenly found out, he'd definitely send the Stormcast to deter the foundations of these cities rather than help them. Who ever said that the Dawnbringers were automatically the villains in this scenario?
Well seeing gw has written stormcast as good guys...gw.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2022/10/25 16:21:36
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Ogor Mawtribes p. 97, LRL + DoT p. 98, New Mega-Gargant p.100)
Platuan4th wrote: No, but if Sigmar suddenly found out, he'd definitely send the Stormcast to deter the foundations of these cities rather than help them. Who ever said that the Dawnbringers were automatically the villains in this scenario?
No one?
Overread thinks it's possible that Sigmarines and Dawnbringer Crusades could be in the same starter set as opposing forces, given Sigmarines have some grimderp fluff to justify it. I argued that the appearance of both armies suggests they're good guys to new customers without a clue of the background and that's not something GW wants for its starter sets.
There's no argument for Dawnbringers as villains. I'd argue that's the perquisite for them to oppose Sigmarines because GW sure isn't going to let Sigmarines play the bad guys so overtly, if it wasn't for the fact that I don't think it will even come to the point of a fluff justification for the match up because GW isn't going to have two armies with Sigmar stamped all over their equipment fight each other. Not as part of a starter set that's supposed to draw in new people and instead just confuses them.
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Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
2022/10/26 08:49:52
Subject: AOS N&R (Ogor Mawtribes p. 97, LRL + DoT p. 98, New Mega-Gargant p.100)
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
2022/10/27 02:21:44
Subject: AOS N&R (Ogor Mawtribes p. 97, LRL + DoT p. 98, New Mega-Gargant p.100)
H.B.M.C. wrote: Putting Sigmarines vs Dawnbringer Crusades in a starter box would be like pitting Black Templars vs Imperial Guard in a 40k starterbox.
Ie; far too good a deal for GW to ever consider it
Looks like almost everything is getting the FAQ/Errata treatment today.
Going to watch this on my lunch break (no sound right now) :
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
2022/10/27 22:17:09
Subject: AOS N&R (Various FAQ/Errata up on Warcom 10/27. Metawatch vid pg 106)
Kruelboyz have been under performing in every metawatch that GW has released the info for.
Perhaps rather than tweaking the points each time and a single rules change and finding they are worse each time (40% win rate is far and away the lowest I recall) they go back and rebuild them from the ground up with all battlescrolls improved and then whatever they think those scrolls are worth, drop the cost by 10%.
2024: Games Played:0/Models Bought:70/Sold:519/Painted: 93
2023: Games Played:0/Models Bought:287/Sold:0/Painted: 203
2020-2022: Games Played:42/Models Bought:1271/Sold:631/Painted:442
2016-19: Games Played:369/Models Bought:772/Sold:378/ Painted:268
2012-15: Games Played:412/Models Bought: 1163/Sold:730/Painted:436
2022/10/27 23:52:27
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Various FAQ/Errata up on Warcom 10/27. Metawatch vid pg 106)
This article just proves (yet again) how stupid conspiracy crowd spouting 4chan grade drivel about 'GW making new armies OP' is. What do we see at the absolute bottom? Oh yes, Kruleboyz and Ossiarchs, two of the newest AoS armies. Directly above them, still bottom of the barrel? Vampires and Stormcast, latest two big shiny range updates. Hedonites of Slaanesh and Gloomspite complete the trash pile and also are big recent range updates. Yndrasta, face of new edition, is apparently so bad even this cowardly 'balance' team gave her massive -40 pts drop. Bravo
I wish people stopped confusing incompetence and buffing pet armies of X writer (the two often being really correlated) with any sort of organized GW strategy, if even Primaris don't receive any sort of rule push (quite the opposite, in fact) then any claims about GW doing this on purpose are just nonsense...
2022/10/28 00:07:09
Subject: AOS N&R (Various FAQ/Errata up on Warcom 10/27. Metawatch vid pg 106)
Well Ossiarchs were broken powerful when they first launched with one of their subgroups giving a +1 to every units save in an army that already featured a good many +3 or similar saves. That got changed, but yeah at launch they were super powerful.
Same for Slaanesh when they got their first AoS battletome and the best way to run them was all keepers. You took several keepers, a few battleline-tax min unit deamonettes and you just went to down with the keepers to generate more summoning power to - yep - call more keepers to the field.
Both armies might not be the powerhouse now, but their first iterations in AoS with a formal battltome were.
Irbis wrote: This article just proves (yet again) how stupid conspiracy crowd spouting 4chan grade drivel about 'GW making new armies OP' is. What do we see at the absolute bottom? Oh yes, Kruleboyz and Ossiarchs, two of the newest AoS armies. Directly above them, still bottom of the barrel? Vampires and Stormcast, latest two big shiny range updates. Hedonites of Slaanesh and Gloomspite complete the trash pile and also are big recent range updates. Yndrasta, face of new edition, is apparently so bad even this cowardly 'balance' team gave her massive -40 pts drop. Bravo
I wish people stopped confusing incompetence and buffing pet armies of X writer (the two often being really correlated) with any sort of organized GW strategy, if even Primaris don't receive any sort of rule push (quite the opposite, in fact) then any claims about GW doing this on purpose are just nonsense...
Funny thing is...Stuff you mention HAVE BEEN dominating. It's just that there's this thing called "power creep". Heard the term?
OBR for example were marching from tournament win to tournament win and when you had 4 keeper of secret who on death gave you ANOTHER keeper of secret slaanesh was dominating as well. Stormcast did bloody well until got series of nerfs. Kruleboyz did pretty well as well at the start until power creep hit in. Not OBR/Slaanesh well but not bottom of barrel.
But yeah. Let's just look NOW and pretend it's ALWAYS been like that. Sure Irbis "quality" logic. New army books obviously can't affect power levels and obviously series of nerfs to army can't have affect to power level of the army. Oh no. Nerfs have zero impact. Obviously. That makes sense right?
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2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2022/10/28 07:17:47
Subject: AOS N&R (Various FAQ/Errata up on Warcom 10/27. Metawatch vid pg 106)
I'm just happy that the Wight King (and the one on Steed) got point drops, alongside Neferata and the Terrorgheist.
I like all of those units but they're pretty meh, along with Neferata's Legion of Blood, so now that they have a points drop maybe I can fit in an extra unit to make it spicier.
2022/10/28 09:25:26
Subject: AOS N&R (Various FAQ/Errata up on Warcom 10/27. Metawatch vid pg 106)
Truth is armies with new Battletomes have a certain chance to be broken.
As new factions also get new Battletomes they have a higher chance to be broken.
As well as there seems to be a stronger interest by GW to keep new unis "not bad".
(Sometimes they overdo it. Sometimes we get Slaangors)
But then the probably most consistent top contenders of the last years are Tzeentch and seraphon, who got no relevant model releases ( lord kroak and...?)
I mean look at beasts of chaos!
A contender for "most forgotten faction still in the game" in the 60+ range... And a Powerhouse unit that is still finecast xD
(And that unit has not had a profile change since the beginning of AoS2.0).
There are just a lot of moving parts in the rules,
people online just love to pretend they knew it all .. post factum.
tldr: i like the direction they take. Would like for there to be less (broken) rules in the game to beginn with but whatever.
Also points changes - where are your 40k gods now!
2022/10/29 15:19:56
Subject: AOS N&R (Various FAQ/Errata up on Warcom 10/27. Metawatch vid pg 106)
That's a lot of stuff at once! For some reason I thought there would be another week or two before the chaos box.
Rather like the Ogre Vanguard. Nothing flashy, but the newish tyrant with a solid army backbone is pretty decent.
WarCom wrote:* Please note, this edition of the Slaves to Darkness battletome has a minor print error in English language versions only. There will be a small errata available next week alongside the pre-order.
Lovely. Good to know the book is even more flawed than usual, I guess?
