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JSG wrote:
Another nail in the coffin of plastic maneaters I guess.

Yup. I don't understand why they were pulled from the store if they didn't have plans to do anything with them.

If I was building a new gutbusters army that Vanguard box is pretty solid even without Ironguts. I'm little concerned about the mournfang though; since the BCR box is now OOP and the regular mournfang box seems to be discontinued, will this be the only way to get them? And only 2 per box?

With only one new model/warscroll and a set of dice, this Ogor release is very underwhelming. That tome better be gak-hot.

Range rotation. GW was pretty honest about that in front.

As for mournfang...Term rebox ring a bell? Why this happens every single time new book comes out? Old box goes OOP, people panic it's gone, it comes up in new AOS3 style box.

EVERY...SINGLE...TIME!

Why I even waste time saying this for about 12th time in past year anyway? Because cometh the next book and next rebox to AOS3 style box people panic again. "THE UNIT IS GONE FOR GOOD! PANIC PANIC PANIC!"

It's...just...a...rebox.

Do you know what other units have done same? Stuff like draconith riders. Orruk brutes. Hearthguard berserkers. Are they OOP?

tneva82 wrote:
Range rotation. GW was pretty honest about that in front.

As for mournfang...Term rebox ring a bell? Why this happens every single time new book comes out? Old box goes OOP, people panic it's gone, it comes up in new AOS3 style box.

EVERY...SINGLE...TIME!

Why I even waste time saying this for about 12th time in past year anyway? Because cometh the next book and next rebox to AOS3 style box people panic again. "THE UNIT IS GONE FOR GOOD! PANIC PANIC PANIC!"

It's...just...a...rebox.

Do you know what other units have done same? Stuff like draconith riders. Orruk brutes. Hearthguard berserkers. Are they OOP?

You seem very upset. Are you having a bad day?

Prices

Slaves to Darkness £120 €155 $200
Pelt Hunter £27.50 €35 $45
Vanguard boxes £80 €105 $130

 DaveC wrote:
Prices

Slaves to Darkness £120 €155 $200
Pelt Hunter £27.50 €35 $45
Vanguard boxes £80 €105 $130

Never before has GW's proprietary currency calculator seemed so broken.

150€ for a Codex (~40€), 1 DP (can be assumed 40-45€ I think?), 10 Chosen (will GW sell them in Boxes of 5 for 45€? Would match their pricing for elite units) and the cards, which are not the warscroll ones if I remember that correctly from the pic (another 20-30€). Oh and I forgott: The Myrmidions which will likely be another 40-45€

With a 20% retail discount I see 120€. One could argue that this is an okay deal, I am somehow not convinced yet.

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
150€ for a Codex (~40€), 1 DP (can be assumed 40-45€ I think?), 10 Chosen (will GW sell them in Boxes of 5 for 45€? Would match their pricing for elite units) and the cards, which are not the warscroll ones if I remember that correctly from the pic (another 20-30€). Oh and I forgott: The Myrmidions which will likely be another 40-45€

With a 20% retail discount I see 120€. One could argue that this is an okay deal, I am somehow not convinced yet.

Well don't forget the boxed set is likely sold through 3rd parties as well. So you can get that 20% retail discount on the boxed set itself.
Also the codex in these sets are normally the "deluxe" ones. Granted the only difference is the front cover design (this time it lacks a little box around the name) and the material and you get a bookmark ribbon - for about double the price. So its rarely if never been value for money; but it does increase the cost

Nice to see the army set releasing already. I reckon that makes solo releases this year a possibility, at least. Price for these things seems stable for now, too. At least in €.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Prices

Slaves to Darkness £120 €155 $200
Pelt Hunter £27.50 €35 $45
Vanguard boxes £80 €105 $130

Never before has GW's proprietary currency calculator seemed so broken.

GW accountant: *checks notes, looks up* Seems to work as intended, dear concerned customer. *turns around, high fives passing accountant*

At least GW's financial reports will be more interesting again. Will rising costs lower their profits? Will favorable (aka made up) exchange rates win out over that? It's a lot more exciting than waiting for GW to post the next record profit as they have been for a few years.

 Geifer wrote:
Nice to see the army set releasing already. I reckon that makes solo releases this year a possibility, at least. Price for these things seems stable for now, too. At least in €.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Prices

Slaves to Darkness £120 €155 $200
Pelt Hunter £27.50 €35 $45
Vanguard boxes £80 €105 $130

Never before has GW's proprietary currency calculator seemed so broken.

GW accountant: *checks notes, looks up* Seems to work as intended, dear concerned customer. *turns around, high fives passing accountant*

At least GW's financial reports will be more interesting again. Will rising costs lower their profits? Will favorable (aka made up) exchange rates win out over that? It's a lot more exciting than waiting for GW to post the next record profit as they have been for a few years.

These decisions are rarely made by accountants.

Well, thats pretty much the expected price and pretty much the expected grumbling.
( Honestly, if you consider that box a bad deal you should get a new hobby, 'cause thats the price point we are at)

That said i am still not 100% sold on the new models.
Chosen look great but somehow not as over the top as expected.
DP looks great but i have an insane amount of converted ones (as well as every previous one).
And those myrmidions are just better looking Minotaurus, are they not?


Ah, who am i kiddding.
I own pretty much every chaos kit and
I am going to buy the kits sooner or later, anyway. Might as well get them now - with a reasonable discount.

On a slightly unrelated note, does anyone know what the timeframe is for Underworld kits transitioning to AoS?

For me this is easy box to get. Don't have chosens, have khorne DP but need tzeentch one and rest don't have either.

If I don't get this might just as well sell my StD as all other expansions are even more expensive Not sold on chosen rules for must win lists but for my style lists look fun.

Based on leaked rules or even other pics from the army book, does anyone know if the Chosen have any other armaments?

Are they all two-handed axes/hammers, or are there halberds and/or sword & board options in there?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Based on leaked rules or even other pics from the army book, does anyone know if the Chosen have any other armaments?

Are they all two-handed axes/hammers, or are there halberds and/or sword & board options in there?

According to the warscroll it's just the one weapon option.

His Master's Voice wrote:On a slightly unrelated note, does anyone know what the timeframe is for Underworld kits transitioning to AoS?

Hard to say really, especially as the Underworld sets are 100% AOS compatible from launch. The only difference is the AoS only sets come without cards, though with the timelags and price creep sometimes there isn't all that much gain in waiting to get a card free set.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Based on leaked rules or even other pics from the army book, does anyone know if the Chosen have any other armaments?

Are they all two-handed axes/hammers, or are there halberds and/or sword & board options in there?

From memory the chosen were mostly the two handed warriors whilst sword and shield was more of a warrior element. That said GW has been on a bit of "make them all the same" in AOS when it comes to weapons, so we might see a dip in weapon variety here and there

Preview of What's To Come for Slaves to Darkness


Yeeeeeeesss.

Gods those are awesome!

Already trying to envisage them on square/rectangular bases...

Those are some lovely models. Updates the look whilst retaining the general tone.

Really liking the Ogor box. Makes the Sylvaneth one look sparse.

Chaos Warriors with halberds, hell yeah!

 Overread wrote:

Hard to say really, especially as the Underworld sets are 100% AOS compatible from launch. The only difference is the AoS only sets come without cards, though with the timelags and price creep sometimes there isn't all that much gain in waiting to get a card free set.

It's less about saving money on the cards, and more just getting the models I want. I forgot to buy the Gutter Runners when they were available, and now that I'm making yet another Mordehim Skaven warband, I have to wait for them to show up in the AoS section.

Tiny bit disappointed by the Warriors, honestly. Haven't read the leaks, but I assume this means dual hand weapons are out? Halberds all held awkwardly because they can't go two-handed without losing the shields.

I understand it would make for a much more expensive kit, but it would have been nice to have the option for shields slung over the back to accommodate the extra hand needed to hold a second weapon, or the one halberd properly.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Really liking the Ogor box. Makes the Sylvaneth one look sparse.

Well adding monsters does that...As is that sylvaneth box is pure gold for new sylvaneth players. 2 is EASILY worth it. 3-4 isn't even unreasonable if you want to play both kurnoth and treelord heavy armies.

Ogor book remains to be seen how worthwhile cannons and leadbelchers are and do gluttons really work but sylvaneth one is very good value. Pre-ogors considered sylvaneth one best one so far(contents got leaked months ago. Been waiting for that box since then though in the meanwhile kind of lost motivation for sylvaneth as it's so non-interactive army...)

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Tiny bit disappointed by the Warriors, honestly. Haven't read the leaks, but I assume this means dual hand weapons are out? Halberds all held awkwardly because they can't go two-handed without losing the shields.

I understand it would make for a much more expensive kit, but it would have been nice to have the option for shields slung over the back to accommodate the extra hand needed to hold a second weapon, or the one halberd properly.

Khagra's ravagers at least have one model doing exactly that, and the lord on horse also seems to have multiple weapons on his body. Was hoping they'd go in that direction, with chaos warriors with multiple hand weapons AND shields.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
I assume this means dual hand weapons are out?

I didnt notice that but you're right.
thats kind of annoying if you have a bunch of dual hand weapon warriors.

now equipped with...
Murderous Weapon or Ensorcelled Halberd.

Initially I thought it was Warriors with two-handed weapons but apparently it is Chosen with two-handed, which don't look radically different than Warriors. Not sure game wise what the difference is in AoS.

chosen have more attacks and do more damage plus some special rules.

Eye of the Gods table and a return of Chaos Undivded marks:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/01/fight-to-draw-the-eye-of-the-gods-in-battletome-slaves-to-darkness/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-age-of-sigmar&utm_content=std01112022&fbclid=IwAR38FMmYYg5eET_w9D0lG8YZT8ASTvjFD-Lzo16Tsw1I7zZ7wqXSANAAeR4

Love seeing Slaves to Darkness get buffs and new toys

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
a return of Chaos Undivded marks

...but we already have them?