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 Overread wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
SCE could really use some consolidation, they aren't Marines-level bad but its getting there.

Alternative thought - other AoS armies need bulking out so everyone can catch up with the stormcast and spread the game out with more subgroupings, specialists and all.

You say that, but I have trouble believing Slaves to Darkness have no need for 75+ warscrolls, to say nothing of more specialized armies. 75 Idoneth warscrolls? 75 Nighthaunt warscrolls? 75 Fyreslayer warscrolls? I can count on one hand the number of armies for which that number of units would be beneficial more than detrimental, all of them being several related theme-armies mashed together into a single faction.

Looks like Beastmen are finally coming up next after StD, so it's a pretty damn good winter for chaos all things considered! Could use new minotaur sculpts, but I'm sure most people are already using the Ogroids as proxies in many cases.

I'm more excited on the Gloomspite Gitz front, especially now that Wolf Riders are officially back. The Underworlds Warband is also really sick.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/19/warhammer-preview-online-the-looncourts-gitz-go-questing-into-the-gnarlwood/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/19/warhammer-preview-online-da-gloomspite-gitz-crash-da-party-atop-new-snarlfang-steeds/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/19/warhammer-preview-online-enter-beast-mode-with-the-new-beastlord/

"Hi Beastmen players. Here's a new book. Now shut up."
"No new models?"
"Oh... yeah... hold on..." *rummages around in old STLs* "Uhh... here! This'll do. It's a... Beastlord, I guess?"
"No new Minotaurs? Plastic Jabberslythe?"
"I thought I told you guys to shut up! You got a new book. Now go away so we can stop thinking about you for another 5+ years."

Underworld band looks great and full of character, the wolf riders are very nice and a real surprise.

The beastman looks fantastic. If they finally get their range refresh and it ends up looking like that, I'm all in for an army.

Also nice to see such a packed roadmap. That's well over half the remaining tomes before spring is over.

With two Death books pencilled in for Spring, I suspect we'll see a few of the o/s Rumour Engine images solved by them.

 Dysartes wrote:
With two Death books pencilled in for Spring, I suspect we'll see a few of the o/s Rumour Engine images solved by them.

Wonder which death gets short stick on being last? Soulblight would be expected as being new but then again age of book isn't much of worry for GW in terms of updating. So OBR/FEC both possible.

For me after spring just COS left for AOS2 book. Good luck for me.

Too bad BOC appears to be before gits unless it's double release which is of course possible.

I strongly suspect there will be a battle box of beasts Vs gitz.

That would be...expensive for me

Wolf gobbos and UW squigapult (imagine having a whole unit of them in the battletome) are awesome!

Let's get this all in one place.

The Wolf Gobbos are amazing.

It's a shame that GW will probably miss a great opportunity for something fun and thematic by not using Rippa's Snarlfangs as the basis of a trio of hero choices(unnamed) that can make Snarlfang Riders into Battleline or into a kind of "3 for 1" named hero option with each one bolstering a different kind of Snarlfang Rider option.

Damn! Thrilled with the Wolfriders!
I was but a wet behind the ears kid when drooling over a White Dwarf (2002-ish?) that featured a gorgeous army of wolf borne goblins. (completed with classic black and white chequered colour scheme)
Always a dream army...
Really beautiful models even if the riders looks a touch cruelboyz-esque from where I'm sitting.
(All forgiven, gimmie!)
The Beastman is a thing of grotesque beauty, yet more true 'Old World' vibes about him as well, largest disappointment is that seems to be it for that faction in terms of kits? Bah! Or is that Beeeh?

Ok, so looking at the roadmap, by summer only two tomes are going to be left not updated for this edition. One death and one order. Guesses are probably going to be Soulblight is the outstanding for death and for order it's going to be a tossup between Kharadron and Seraphon. So, are we finally going to get an edition of a GW game where all books are going to be done?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Ok, so looking at the roadmap, by summer only two tomes are going to be left not updated for this edition. One death and one order. Guesses are probably going to be Soulblight is the outstanding for death and for order it's going to be a tossup between Kharadron and Seraphon. So, are we finally going to get an edition of a GW game where all books are going to be done?

COS could be for autumn release as well. And just because soulblight is newer doesn't mean it's going to be last. DOK was one of the last books aos2 had and already got book. In fact they got book almost same time as soulblight. So both fec and obr could get short stick as well.

And no it wouldn't be first time. Think there has been 2 or 3 such times. FB 6 or 7 was one such edition. It's rare but not unheard of.

But yeah pace is good and leaves 40k go green in envy. And come gits tome every faction has got some sort of update already.

I don't think Cities will be autumn. A single tome in the summer release slot? That's usually for something big and Cities is getting treated as quite a big deal this time.

Keep in mind that doesn't mean that 1 book is ONLY summer book. StD was taunted as only winter book in last roadmap

As for big releases summer will be 40k 10th edition so big pile of miniatures coming then as is.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Hi Beastmen players. Here's a new book. Now shut up."
"No new models?"
"Oh... yeah... hold on..." *rummages around in old STLs* "Uhh... here! This'll do. It's a... Beastlord, I guess?"
"No new Minotaurs? Plastic Jabberslythe?"
"I thought I told you guys to shut up! You got a new book. Now go away so we can stop thinking about you for another 5+ years."

I love when people post this absolutely parasocial stuff.

Beastlord looks cool. Hopefully they bring the internal balance around a bit so that beastmen aren't crutched around cockatrices and/or the herdstone. Would be nice for the gors/bestigors to have a place with drogres and bullgors acting more as support pieces.

One new unit and one new hero across two battletomes, AoS really getting spoiled.

Full range refresh among Chaos and a completely redone from the ground up in Dawnbringers. I'd say it's going along quite nicely. Only BoC and Skaven need it now.

Seraphon too. And several lines could do with additional units.

But then again with gw prices maybe good thing new kits aren't coming at higher pace Wallet couldn't handle it!

There's not much in the Seraphon line that really needs it. Knights perhaps and we're getting the Chameleon Skinks shortly.

Saurus, Skinks and Kroxigors needed a resculpt 10 seconds after they were released

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
There's not much in the Seraphon line that really needs it. Knights perhaps and we're getting the Chameleon Skinks shortly.

Bring back skink cold one riders!

Saurus warriors and knights are some of the oldest and worst core units left in the range, we're talking pre-CAD, up to 1mm mold lines, gak part alignement, etc. They're not fit to be sold.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
One new unit and one new hero across two battletomes, AoS really getting spoiled.

Yeah, there is a lot more of the 1 hero updates than range updates going on right now for sure. Feels sort of like how 8th with a bunch of factions getting a hero, or in some cases nothing and a lot more and bigger refreshes in 9th.

Some factions need it a lot more than others. Gloomspite is fine, it's got an amazing modern plastic range for the most part. Beastmen really needed a lot more.

I don't expect Hedonites to get much of anything when they update.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Saurus warriors and knights are some of the oldest and worst core units left in the range, we're talking pre-CAD, up to 1mm mold lines, gak part alignement, etc. They're not fit to be sold.

Definitely agree. The Saurus unit compared to the Saurus in the Starblood Stalkers is like comparing the original Space Hulk genestealers to modern tyranids.
Seraphon have been skipped over for updates since AoS came out.

The problem is Seraphon at least have a diverse model line. You've also got armies like Flesheaters and Fyreslayers - heck Flesheaters are basically 1 stand alone hero, 1 special model in finecast and 1 getting started box.

Fyreslayers aren't much better though have a few more heroes.


Heck even Daughters of Khaine, who have had quite a lot of attention story wise and marketing wise, have a pretty small unit roster.



And this is the issue, AoS has so so many factions that "need" an update. Be it second-wave style bulking out the army; or be it updating extensive armies with more modern sculpts (heck look at skaven - one of the biggest and most diverse armies and still running around with old metal and you want plastics - they still have their first generation plastic rat ogres).


AoS is getting there steadily. Slaanesh got a huge and wonderful series of updates; Soulblight (even if it was marred by the mess of Cursed City) had some solid updates. Nighthaunt were a focus for a whole edition; Stormcast remain pretty diverse; Chaos is getting a huge winter update (and has had a wealth of variety with Warcry - though freaking heck GW why haven't you updated the marauder kit!).

AoS is moving in the right direction and right now I'd say the only big question mark is what the heck GW does with Cities of Sigmar. Every other army seems stable and you can see how GW could and will likely support them, Cities is just totally unknown. We know the human side is getting a big update, but there's still the dwarf and remains of light and wood elves and almost the entire dark elf army sitting there.
Gotrek books have been teasing a big Dwarf reuniting/event pretty much at the end of every book so far; meanwhile Daughters of Khaine teased rebuilding the Dark Elf army (if GW did that I'd honestly hope they just relaunch the army without Daughters of Khaine and have them as allies /special detachment).

It's their own fault really, AOS is so shallow they had to split all the WHFB armies up and turn single units into their own faction.

Goose LeChance wrote:
It's their own fault really, AOS is so shallow they had to split all the WHFB armies up and turn single units into their own faction.

Can you explain this viewpoint? I don't think I understand what you're trying to convey.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Saurus warriors and knights are some of the oldest and worst core units left in the range, we're talking pre-CAD, up to 1mm mold lines, gak part alignement, etc. They're not fit to be sold.

Yeah, saurus and especially saurus knights just don't look good on the table.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Goose LeChance wrote:
It's their own fault really, AOS is so shallow they had to split all the WHFB armies up and turn single units into their own faction.

Can you explain this viewpoint? I don't think I understand what you're trying to convey.

AOS had no content, models or lore and some genius thought making an entire army of dwarf slayers would be more interesting than a proper dwarf army.