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Considering GW has recently loved making 5th ed callbacks, ever since the Mounted Wight Lord for SBG and the fact it's probably just a single Skink on a mount, not a unit...

Inxi Huinzi.

It'd be nice to see him brought back with a modernised take on the original Horned One.

You know, since Seraphon lack ANY special characters whatsoever outside of Kroak despite there being a literal ton of them in Fantasy (Mazdamundi, Kroak, Kroq-Gar, Gor-rok, Chakax, Tehehauin, Tetto;eko, Tiktaq'to, Nakai, Oxyotl....)

If Death get like, half their characters back and Chaos get virtually all of them it'd be damn nice to have Seraphon get some too. Especially since their fluff has the concept of literal memory-databanks to allow individuals of renown to be reborn....

I wouldn't say Chaos got "virtually all". The Champions of Chaos book had a LOT of named characters.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Considering GW has recently loved making 5th ed callbacks, ever since the Mounted Wight Lord for SBG and the fact it's probably just a single Skink on a mount, not a unit...

Inxi Huinzi.

It'd be nice to see him brought back with a modernised take on the original Horned One.

You know, since Seraphon lack ANY special characters whatsoever outside of Kroak despite there being a literal ton of them in Fantasy (Mazdamundi, Kroak, Kroq-Gar, Gor-rok, Chakax, Tehehauin, Tetto;eko, Tiktaq'to, Nakai, Oxyotl....)

If Death get like, half their characters back and Chaos get virtually all of them it'd be damn nice to have Seraphon get some too. Especially since their fluff has the concept of literal memory-databanks to allow individuals of renown to be reborn....

Why not both a character and a unit, even if it's just a unit box with a character upgrade option?

I think it's safe to say Lizzies won't be a book plus lone character deal. If they're getting a decent range update, might as well make the most of it. Especially considering how long it took GW to get around to the army.

Well that would basically require unit bought in 2's like stormcast dragons. Unlikely gw would do say unit of 5 that can be taken in 4's for each hero x.

(box of 5 with hero option you can only take in 5's would be super customer unfriendly. Luckily gw been moving away from that)

 CMLR wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
I was gonna say watching the video I thought immediately it was just new Saurus Cav

Tsagualsa wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
I was gonna say watching the video I thought immediately it was just new Saurus Cav

Saurus Cavalry may easily get a boost in size and oomph and fit a slot more like 'superheavy' cavalry, like the drakoth-riding stormcast, bloodcrusher and so on. That would also open up another slot for skinks on more slender, smaller lizards as light cavalry.

Is not Saurus Cav. Rider has to be a skink, since is standing on top of the dinosaur.

Didn’t really look at the rider.
I meant more in reply to the comments saying it’s a new big beast etc.

But yeah looks skink like.

tneva82 wrote:
Well that would basically require unit bought in 2's like stormcast dragons. Unlikely gw would do say unit of 5 that can be taken in 4's for each hero x.

(box of 5 with hero option you can only take in 5's would be super customer unfriendly. Luckily gw been moving away from that)

Yeah, character upgrades in unit boxes have their downsides to be sure, but there are also upsides. If you want both the character and the unit you'll pay less over a separate clampack character and unit box, and getting it at all beats not getting one or the other because GW won't do two kits for whatever reason.

Largely the issue is easily resolved even in the framework of AoS's rudimentary points system. Since they insist on making units buyable only in increments, for the rare units that get such a combo box it shouldn't be an issue to have points values both for standard increments and understrength increments and just let players decide if they want a unit of 4, 5, 8, 9 or 10 for instance.

They went that way with box of 2 but you can't make 3. So box of 5 the odd one would be 4. No more, no less.

A kinder solution would be to provide an extra body, it's not like it will lose them sales.

Or in the case of very low count units like Stormcast dragons, to make both models in the box have a Character version.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
A kinder solution would be to provide an extra body, it's not like it will lose them sales.

Or in the case of very low count units like Stormcast dragons, to make both models in the box have a Character version.

Yeah, although that's easier to justify with monstrous cavalry. I don't think selling normal sized cavalry two to a box would be very popular.

Dataslate seems to be rather small. Only change being dok losing bt bonus points

5-point changes on 200+ cost units just leave me scratching my head. Some actually are decent rounding-offs; like a 205 going to 200 or the like, but so many just leave me asking why. Being 240 instead of 245 will not have a measurable impact on the meta.

Seeing how often i run into list like 2015 and 5 drop on 1 unit would save me...

A bit more Cities on the horiizon:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/05/dawnbringer-previews-the-importance-of-religion-relics-and-ritual-to-the-cities-of-sigmar/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-age-of-sigmar&utm_content=citiesofsigmararticle05012023&fbclid=IwAR3C4UTlXGXMVHT_9ea-s_65DY85jEykwYzNSp9AbNK4xNkjVt5ApqVd1UE

Why do they keep titling these Mordheim previews as Cities of Sigmar

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Why do they keep titling these Mordheim previews as Cities of Sigmar

Indeed. The whole premise seems to be to fill a Mordheim bitz box without having to actually re-release the game itself. Until they do. Which I suspect may actually happen considering they must know there's a market for it. Occasionally having to openly remind the chat on reveal streams that things like the Witch Hunters from Underworld can actually be used for their intended purpose (i.e.... Underworlds) when every comments is just "can't wait to convert these for Mordheim".

I do think there's been a very conscious decision to push a 'lower fantasy' aesthetic into the AoS range in general because the more abstract ones don't seem to be especially popular (may well be confirmation bias on my part there though; I don't really follow the game in massive detail).

This looks really promising, but this dribble feed is starting to get a tad frustrating. At this point they could have at least shown one full model.

 Crimson wrote:
This looks really promising, but this dribble feed is starting to get a tad frustrating. At this point they could have at least shown one full model.

Seriously I don't know what the point of these dragged out teasers is, they pulled the same gak with Sisters, when they're perfectly capable of crafting massive new product lines without a word to anyone before they goo them all over the planet.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Why do they keep titling these Mordheim previews as Cities of Sigmar

Indeed. The whole premise seems to be to fill a Mordheim bitz box without having to actually re-release the game itself. Until they do. Which I suspect may actually happen considering they must know there's a market for it. Occasionally having to openly remind the chat on reveal streams that things like the Witch Hunters from Underworld can actually be used for their intended purpose (i.e.... Underworlds) when every comments is just "can't wait to convert these for Mordheim".

I do think there's been a very conscious decision to push a 'lower fantasy' aesthetic into the AoS range in general because the more abstract ones don't seem to be especially popular (may well be confirmation bias on my part there though; I don't really follow the game in massive detail).

I think you'd be wrong on that one. The "abstract" ones tend to catch a lot more attention because you can do a lot more with them.

 Crimson wrote:
This looks really promising, but this dribble feed is starting to get a tad frustrating. At this point they could have at least shown one full model.

Yeah, we have some art so we can imagine how, and what will be there, at least partialy, but showing an actual model from time to time would be a nice break from the usual boringness of these articles.

I look forward to them myself. Little tidbits for releases of the year(s) ahead instead of the usual nothing-bar-event-previews.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
This looks really promising, but this dribble feed is starting to get a tad frustrating. At this point they could have at least shown one full model.

Yeah, we have some art so we can imagine how, and what will be there, at least partialy, but showing an actual model from time to time would be a nice break from the usual boringness of these articles.

That will happen closer to the release. Expect something like six to eight months earlier at most. We're just not there yet. Warhammer Fest is a better time to get your hopes up for that. Adepticon if we're really lucky.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
This looks really promising, but this dribble feed is starting to get a tad frustrating. At this point they could have at least shown one full model.

Yeah, we have some art so we can imagine how, and what will be there, at least partialy, but showing an actual model from time to time would be a nice break from the usual boringness of these articles.

That would mean release within 3 months. Optimistic.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Why do they keep titling these Mordheim previews as Cities of Sigmar

Indeed. The whole premise seems to be to fill a Mordheim bitz box without having to actually re-release the game itself. Until they do. Which I suspect may actually happen considering they must know there's a market for it. Occasionally having to openly remind the chat on reveal streams that things like the Witch Hunters from Underworld can actually be used for their intended purpose (i.e.... Underworlds) when every comments is just "can't wait to convert these for Mordheim".

I do think there's been a very conscious decision to push a 'lower fantasy' aesthetic into the AoS range in general because the more abstract ones don't seem to be especially popular (may well be confirmation bias on my part there though; I don't really follow the game in massive detail).

I think you'd be wrong on that one. The "abstract" ones tend to catch a lot more attention because you can do a lot more with them.

Fair enough; there's obviously a lot more context needed in terms of how we're qualifying popularity (don't know precisely what you mean by 'do more with them'?). As hobby projects I'm sure more esoteric stuff such as Idoneth or Kharadron see more traction whereas hardcore tournament-mentality players will naturally gravitate towards whatever is most effective at any given time. I just have this impression that there's at least a decent proportion of the player base that's (rightly or wrongly; it's all subjective) more willing to pick up a faction that's more obviously an extrapolation of a previous WH Fantasy one (i.e. Soulblight or Nighthaunt or Skaven or basically any Chaos faction as examples) but less keen on something that's either A) had a more substantive re-design to bring it into AoS as a unique entity (such as Ossiarchs) or B) taken that extrapolation to enough of an extreme that it almost Flanderises them (i.e. Fyreslayers). Obviously there's more that goes into that; limited ranges or poor rules (which I'm not qualified to judge in AoS as I don't play it).

Cities of Sigmar bits look nice but I am curious about what they are attached to. Many of them look like decoration of a building or war machine. You don't attach gargoyles to troops, right?

jullevi wrote:
You don't attach gargoyles to troops, right?

Unless it is some over a top flagellant? We already have idiots that will not use wheels for carts etc.

And AoS is known for very grounded designs.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
And AoS is known for very grounded designs.

Yeah, compared to it 40k is very plausible.

Oh man that was four solid zingers in a row

 Shadow Walker wrote:

jullevi wrote:
You don't attach gargoyles to troops, right?

Unless it is some over a top flagellant? We already have idiots that will not use wheels for carts etc.

Look you go shave the points off a chaos symbol and what have you got - near enough a freaking wheel!!

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