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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
It's not really a debate but common sense. The molds are sitting there, ready to use. Sure they'll be new stuff, but the vast bulk can be just made immediately. And not even the Heresy got a massive range from the get go and that's made up by marines, the single most popular faction they make.

Common sense is a fallacy. And why won't TOW players deserve new and better miniatures? More when they are basically the same army with different bases.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
People saying Cold Ones will get pseudo monstrous cavalry size, a la Gore-gruntas and Juggernauts, are just not considering TOW and that Raptadons are just light cavalry.

However, I would expect Horned Ones head options, who got mentioned all the time in fluff but never got actual models.

Horned Ones had models back in 6th edition, there was a regiment of renown and a special character for them.

Only the named character had a Horned One, the RoR had Cold Ones. And they were tail end 5th, not 6th, though the RoR did get 6th Ed rules near Lustria campaign.

At some point in time the rules called them Horned Ones, at others Cold Ones.

 CMLR wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
It's not really a debate but common sense. The molds are sitting there, ready to use. Sure they'll be new stuff, but the vast bulk can be just made immediately. And not even the Heresy got a massive range from the get go and that's made up by marines, the single most popular faction they make.

Common sense is a fallacy. And why won't TOW players deserve new and better miniatures? More when they are basically the same army with different bases.

No wonder it's so rare. Deserve? I'm talking about practicality. You can't possibly expect over a dozen armies to get complete resculpts at launch. The sheer amount of money and resources would be absurd on top of everything else they do currently.

 Geifer wrote:

Voss wrote:
I'd much rather see the sad old models replaced.

I'm sure that's true of a lot of us. Unfortunately GW disagrees way too often.

Well alternative is not sell anything for many armies for years.


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 CMLR wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
It's not really a debate but common sense. The molds are sitting there, ready to use. Sure they'll be new stuff, but the vast bulk can be just made immediately. And not even the Heresy got a massive range from the get go and that's made up by marines, the single most popular faction they make.

Common sense is a fallacy. And why won't TOW players deserve new and better miniatures? More when they are basically the same army with different bases.

If you are expecting tow get every army with all new sculpts at once you are expecting unprecedent amount of support vast outpacing what marines have ever had. Outpace 40k and aos combined.

That's just unrealistic. Gw would have to expect tow to immediately outsell 40k&aos combined.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:


No wonder it's so rare. Deserve? I'm talking about practicality. You can't possibly expect over a dozen armies to get complete resculpts at launch. The sheer amount of money and resources would be absurd on top of everything else they do currently.

Is not rare. Is doesn't exist. What is common sense for someone is ludacrous for someone else, more if we are talking about perspectives or cultures.

If they already will share a good bunch of sculpts, why not share them all at once? Is not like they made the new Chaos Warriors on 50mm bases. Scale creep is not that huge (yet) and Blood Knight can still rank and file just fine.

tneva82 wrote:

If you are expecting tow get every army with all new sculpts at once you are expecting unprecedent amount of support vast outpacing what marines have ever had.

I'm not. I'm just saying that you can't know if they will just reuse no longer available kits for TOW or just give square bases to AoS.

They won't give them squares because they haven't been designed for it. Three points:

1) They stated at the start that all old armies would be immediately usable. Which they can't be if they change the base sizes out from the get go.

2) The new sculpts haven't been designed with ranking in mind. As has been stated before with outstretched arms, wide stances and so on.

3) The aesthetics. Immediately chaos warriors and Kroak as examples have been designed with no thought to TOW as both have Stormcast trophies/armour on them. Not something you're going to see on old fantasy.

So can we please stop this speculation when everything points to the systems not crossing over.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
They won't give them squares because they haven't been designed for it. Three points:

1) They stated at the start that all old armies would be immediately usable. Which they can't be if they change the base sizes out from the get go.

2) The new sculpts haven't been designed with ranking in mind. As has been stated before with outstretched arms, wide stances and so on.

3) The aesthetics. Immediately chaos warriors and Kroak as examples have been designed with no thought to TOW as both have Stormcast trophies/armour on them. Not something you're going to see on old fantasy.

So can we please stop this speculation when everything points to the systems not crossing over.

agreed. hopium and copium are heckin strong drugs, but some people really need to wean off of it when it comes to TOW.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Whitefang over on The Grand Alliance commented on this list with "now choose 4 of 5" before GW's reveal of the Astrolith Bearer:

1. Astrolith Bearer
2. Kroxigors
3. Salamander/Razordons
4. Big New monster
5. Saurus Cavalry

Personal speculation is that we won't see a big new monster but Saurus Cavalry will be bumped up in size to something monstrous-ish.

Hoping for a new large/very large (like the bases of the larger fantasy creatures/stuff like the necron pylons/mega pylon thing/baneblade, etc) . It would be nice for new cold ones that look good and making them like monstrous sized would be cool. that head on the ogre model i do like although something more savage like a young carnosaur style cavalry would be nice.

Not a fan of the banner guy. not in terms of models, but in terms of it taking up a slot. hoping for 5 or 6 more kits beyond the 3 we saw in the vegas reveal (due to what they said) but annoying a banner bearer takes up one.

so from that list above, im hoping for: 2, 4, 5 (since we know 1 is there).

Didnt before, (and i know. im old. im thinking of the WH6-8 era), new army releases got a big showpiece (ie. monster/vehicle) and a new hero/lord? so for example, kroak was last year or the year before. so thats done. We know a slann is coming. So wouldnt they want a big new showpiece that people will want, even those that dont play warhammer? like an awesome model.

I was still hoping for that AND a mazdamundi character kit - brand new larger stegadon model with maz on it would be cool!!!

SF

 CMLR wrote:
I'm not. I'm just saying that you can't know if they will just reuse no longer available kits for TOW or just give square bases to AoS.

Oh sure. 40mm square bases for basic infantry then

You DO realize right that the AOS models won't rank up without serious upscaling of squares right? It was getting silly hard end of FB. Models have become even more unrankable since then.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
People saying Cold Ones will get pseudo monstrous cavalry size, a la Gore-gruntas and Juggernauts, are just not considering TOW and that Raptadons are just light cavalry.

However, I would expect Horned Ones head options, who got mentioned all the time in fluff but never got actual models.

Horned Ones had models back in 6th edition, there was a regiment of renown and a special character for them.

Only the named character had a Horned One, the RoR had Cold Ones. And they were tail end 5th, not 6th, though the RoR did get 6th Ed rules near Lustria campaign.

At some point in time the rules called them Horned Ones, at others Cold Ones.

That's the 6th ed Lustria rules, which needed a way to differentiate them from the existing Cold One Saurus that didn't exist when they were first released. They don't match the descriptions of Horned Ones from the very book existing at that time(since you could still take a Horned One as a magic item). The Box even literally calls them "Cold One Riders", despite the 6th ed rules.

Kharadron Codewright revealed.

That's a Blood Bowl 40K referee right there

The Kharadron is great, it's a pleasant surprise to see a plastic character that has so much character.

Gw finally bothered to reveal what everybody knew was coming next

Cover nice, model looks good. Too bad no ko's locally except on store staff who can't play on game nights(what with work) so odds of seeing against is very low.

Also clears up another Rumour Engine.

That's probably my favorite KO model yet. Full of character, but somehow not over the top.

I just wish GW didn't go the stormcast route with KO. They avoided having any helmetless models during the initial release, and then after some exclusive models without helmets (knight errant, I think? and Jakob Bugmansson) now its okay to have unhelmeted models. (For the record, I'm very pro-helmetless models. I just wish we had a larger selection for the KO.)

 Ghaz wrote:

Tallonian4th wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Tallonian4th wrote:
Worth pointing out in the UK at least the seasons at least societally are considered:

Dec-Feb - Winter
Mar-May - Spring
Jun-Aug - Summer
Sep-Nov - Autumn.

Those would be Meteorlogical Seasons, instead of the Astronomical Seasons most think of as that's what they learnt in school. Most US businesses and governments use quarters (e.g., January to March, etc.). instead.

Not quite sure what is taught in US schools has to do with a UK company where the norm is for the seasons to be laid out Dec-Feb, Mar-May,etc.

Tthat they're called Meteorological Seasons and they aren't unique to the UK and are in use in other places (such as the US) for some things.

I never said they were unique to the UK. All I said were that they were what the UK used for seasons generally and as such would be what GW are using. There was no need to turn it into an argument about who uses what where.

Nice. and that's a rumour engine solved.

Thank god they did not go this route with Votann. A good example on how to make miniatures so ridiculously busy for the sake of it.

Votann could actually do with some character like this. the whole range is so incredibly boring.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Votann could actually do with some character like this. the whole range is so incredibly boring.

Well my full purchased Votann collection disagrees

How many armies do you have flooded with details on top of details to the point theres not even a focus point? Too many.

Well. At least these look dwarven unlike votann.

And not even that busy. Focus point btw is easy. Face.

Feel free, it's still a very boring range.

But not many? Even this guys' not particularly overburdened. The body is very clean, the books are just books, the head is the focus point.

Tallonian4th wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Tallonian4th wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Tallonian4th wrote:
Worth pointing out in the UK at least the seasons at least societally are considered:

Dec-Feb - Winter
Mar-May - Spring
Jun-Aug - Summer
Sep-Nov - Autumn.

Those would be Meteorlogical Seasons, instead of the Astronomical Seasons most think of as that's what they learnt in school. Most US businesses and governments use quarters (e.g., January to March, etc.). instead.

Not quite sure what is taught in US schools has to do with a UK company where the norm is for the seasons to be laid out Dec-Feb, Mar-May,etc.

Tthat they're called Meteorological Seasons and they aren't unique to the UK and are in use in other places (such as the US) for some things.

I never said they were unique to the UK. All I said were that they were what the UK used for seasons generally and as such would be what GW are using. There was no need to turn it into an argument about who uses what where.

Your description was unnecessary and a bit condescending, that was the problem. All that was needed was a simple statement to the effect that for GW's purposes, 'Spring' would be from the first of March to the first of May.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Votann could actually do with some character like this. the whole range is so incredibly boring.

Well my full purchased Votann collection disagrees

How many armies do you have flooded with details on top of details to the point theres not even a focus point? Too many.

The KO definitely have some models that just have random bits and bobs because "aether science" though it's not an army wide problem. Personally, this model notwithstanding, I think the main KO paint scheme does a huge disservice to the models. Everything is gold or bright metal, and its hard to have a focus point on a single model. That's why I'm glad this model exists. He's got some color to break away from all the shiny armor, and even without the book, the lack of a helmet allows the face and beard to serve as a focal point.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Apparently the Bloodpelt Hunter has a sneak peek at what the resculpted Saurus Cavalry's mounts will look like, at least in terms of the head which he's using as a quiver.

Spoiler:

If that's accurate, I like it. Looks more like an actual creature and less something liberated from Jim Henson's dumpster.

This is the first mainline Kharadron model that has a non-helmet option right? As far as I remember only special edition releases like Drekki Flynt had options for bare heads until now

 GaroRobe wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Votann could actually do with some character like this. the whole range is so incredibly boring.

Well my full purchased Votann collection disagrees

How many armies do you have flooded with details on top of details to the point theres not even a focus point? Too many.

The KO definitely have some models that just have random bits and bobs because "aether science" though it's not an army wide problem. Personally, this model notwithstanding, I think the main KO paint scheme does a huge disservice to the models. Everything is gold or bright metal, and it's hard to have a focus point on a single model. That's why I'm glad this model exists. He's got some color to break away from all the shiny armor, and even without the book, the lack of a helmet allows the face and beard to serve as a focal point.

Yeah metallics dont do justice to minis with plenty of details for sure. I can take some bit of "aether science" no worries there, as long has the model has more to it than just that.
If you look at the detail pics from the back and sides on the GW site you will see what I mean. Too many detail for the sake of it and just floods what could be a cool model. BTW adding details is not the same has adding character. Pose, clear intent and nice design is more important.

They missed a trick not calling the ability "Ummm, actually...".

The Codewright is glorious. The model, the rules... in a range that is already awesome, this guy is my favourite.