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drbored wrote:
The laser pointer + fitted cyber enhancement is a little goofy but I dig it! I

Echoes of Jurassic World, there!

These are going to be such a joy to paint for painters. Could be a real riot of colours.

Beast_of_Guanyin wrote:
These are going to be such a joy to paint for painters. Could be a real riot of colours.

I could very much see a Golden Daemon winner being chosen on this model. A diorama incorporating the skinks and some OSL around the mouth to show some flame about to be HORFED up would be really cool!

Ooh, lovely. Just the thing for menacing James Mason and Arlene Dahl.

Wonderage….

Lizardmen clearly getting a long needed substantial update.

Their traditional nemesis, the Skaven, also need a substantial update and indeed Aosification.

Dare we hope-pray?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wonderage….

Lizardmen clearly getting a long needed substantial update.

Their traditional nemesis, the Skaven, also need a substantial update and indeed Aosification.

Dare we hope-pray?

My major hope is that they're the major enemy in 4th edition for the launch box.

Imagine that it's new Dawnbringers versus Skaven instead of typical Stormcast. Dawnbringers vs Skaven would give them a chance to show how nefarious the Skaven are, while fleshing out the brand new faction and giving the Skaven some much-needed love.

drbored wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wonderage….

Lizardmen clearly getting a long needed substantial update.

Their traditional nemesis, the Skaven, also need a substantial update and indeed Aosification.

Dare we hope-pray?

My major hope is that they're the major enemy in 4th edition for the launch box.

Imagine that it's new Dawnbringers versus Skaven instead of typical Stormcast. Dawnbringers vs Skaven would give them a chance to show how nefarious the Skaven are, while fleshing out the brand new faction and giving the Skaven some much-needed love.

Nothing says nefarious like a race of creatures who after thousands of years, the destruction of the universe and pacts with a chaos god like smelly hairy infighting creatures that live in the sewers under grandmothers basement. (Picturing my kids as Skaven now)

As paleontologist, I find lovely that they gave the new salamander (that is, indeed, a salamander, but the whole unit with handlers is now "Spawn of Chotec", so I don't know if this is a full on replacement or vanilla sallies will still remain) a kinda paleo accurate Dimetrodon sail, and overall body plan, I remember that WD article when they said this are fantasy creatures and not precisely actual dinosaurs or animals.

The amphibian gills are just adorable.

Marked skink spawning are a great touch too.

Rules are kinda bad, but this are just a teaser.

They again showed the Starborne colour scheme. This makes me want to have another army just for the sake of painting them all like they're Godzillas charging up their Atomic Breaths.

Finally, I want to assume this salamander has been bumped up on scale and leaving behind the 75 mm base, but I can't really tell for sure.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Their traditional nemesis, the Skaven, also need a substantial update and indeed Aosification.

Dare we hope-pray?

If you're going to tease me with the concept of updated poisoned wind globadiers then I think I'm just going to cry.

Haha, what 'AoSification' could be applied to Skaven? I mean they are so bland and lacking in unique identity, it feels like they aren't suited for the setting at all! /s

Skaven need AoSification?



People people the AoS setting was BUILT so that everyone else could get on Skaven's level!

Oh but think-ponder what wonder kill-weapons Clever Skaven can do-create now!

GW: "You asked for more Seraphon, and we finally got around to update the faction with lots of new stuff! So, what do you think, guys?
Dakka: "Where the heck are my new skaven at?!"

Skaven had their AoSification during the end times.

JSG wrote:
Skaven had their AoSification during the end times.

Hell Pit Abomination and especially Doomwheel predate end times by years...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

JSG wrote:
Skaven had their AoSification during the end times.

Hell Pit Abomination and especially Doomwheel predate end times by years...

Yeah, the Doomwheel was about during WFB 4th edition.

Only Endtimes things were Big Thanquol and the Cyborg Ratogre things.

 Fayric wrote:
GW: "You asked for more Seraphon, and we finally got around to update the faction with lots of new stuff! So, what do you think, guys?
Dakka: "Where the heck are my new skaven at?!"

I think for me these new models are so great that Skaven are the main faction that comes to mind being comparable XD

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Only Endtimes things were Big Thanquol and the Cyborg Ratogre things.

And the Verminlord variants.

True! Still not a full AoSification.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
True! Still not a full AoSification.

But what would be? It's a pretty vague term often used by those who have an axe to grind (not saying you, just in general) based on some very subjective perceptions. Outside of more 'open' model designs being free from the constraints of ranking up many AoS releases have been very in line with what WHFB was.

Honestly almost everything in AoS would fit into Old World.


Death Grand Alliance is basically just the Vampire army split into 3 parts.

Destruction is almost entirely Old World models with a few updates here and there

Chaos is the same, updates and mostly Old World stuff

The brand new armies that are totally new like fish elves would have easily fit into Old World since the sea would have given them room to grow as a force, change the lore around of course.


The Sylvaneth are just an offshoot of the Wood Elves without the Elves; etc..


Basically almost all the models would fit in the Old World setting. Ironically the Stormcast would likely be the ones with the biggest lore shift to justify in the setting. Otherwise pretty much every other faction fits.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
True! Still not a full AoSification.

But what would be? It's a pretty vague term often used by those who have an axe to grind (not saying you, just in general) based on some very subjective perceptions. Outside of more 'open' model designs being free from the constraints of ranking up many AoS releases have been very in line with what WHFB was.

It’s a removal of certain design restraints. Tech wise it’s true Skaven have always pushed it, almost pushing from Napoleonic to Victoriana/WW1 (gas masks, gas weapons etc). But with Kharadron kicking about and the general tech becoming more fantastical, there’s plenty room for Skaven tech to get even more hilarious.

Moulder and Pestilens in particular could really lean into fresh horrors.

Right now the most striking are the Khadorans who are honestly just Dwarves using technology which they had to their fullest in the Old World. Granted some elements have shifted, eg they use fancy engine machines instead of pure inflated zepplins because otherwise their models would be fast at 28mm scale.

But in the end they still rocked around with helicopters and other stuff in the Old World. Gotrek and Felix hitch a ride on a mega-airship several times before its downed.


Cities of Sigmar going for more steam punk is a shift, but then again give a generation of two of the Dwarves releasing their restraint on technology and I'd wager their human allies would pick up a lot of it, start tinkering and be following behind them with their own take on it.






The real "Aosification" is in the lore and stories. It's how the narrative is no longer mortals but gods who advance the main story; whilst mortals are left behind. Heck the lack of a proper dating system means we don't even really know who is alive when and I've got a feeling if we worked it all out there's a few humans running around between the various stories who are impossibly old; or interacting with big key events in the narrative that are too far apart to make sense. Whilst in other areas there are things that don't make sense the other way - Cities of Sigmar that have been founded, risen and people who have had generations of growing up without the taint of Chaos being anything more than a threat on the front lines; yet at the same tim also still nestled within stories of Sigmar advancing against a powerful headway.

Part of this is the sheer scale of the setting being mindboggling. Each Realm being larger than our own world (heck originally they were almost infinite) etc..

Plus some realms - like Metal - being almost a front cover for a Heavy Metal album.



So I'd say that the models are fine, the models would fit into Old World; the lore is where the real "aosification" is and honestly GW have still yet to polish and perfect that. We need WAY more standard artwork; way more stories (not of gods); way more structure (freaking heck give us DATES) etc

 Overread wrote:
Ironically the Stormcast would likely be the ones with the biggest lore shift to justify in the setting. Otherwise pretty much every other faction fits.

Just make them divine soldiers of Solkan, Law Soldiers to counter the Chaos Warriors. The gods of Law really got sidelined outside of WFRP.

So, we're way off topic talking about Old World stuff... again...

all I'm gunna say is that anyone with any high hopes of being able to use AoS stuff smoothly in Old World games is gunna have a bad time.

People need to check their hype for a game we know next to nothing about, that's likely to be FW resin, and goes back to square bases. All they've said is that you'll be able to use all those old models that have been sitting in a closet for 10+ years.

It would be incredibly unwise to have system cross overs. Let fantasy get its own junk. And i do think it's a severe reach to claim all the models and ranges could be cross compatible.

It is hard to imagine how there would not be crossovers considering there are entire AoS armies made near-exclusively of kits from WHFB.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It is hard to imagine how there would not be crossovers considering there are entire AoS armies made near-exclusively of kits from WHFB.

There's two design philosophies of GW at war with each other.

On the one hand, GW tends to make rules and games that let you play with more of your toys than less. They let you use Underworlds and Warcry units in AoS, they bridge the gap often for 30k and 40k units (to a degree) and Kill Team units are given rules for 40k.

So, it would make sense if there were rules for TOW stuff in AoS and vice versus if this was the case, right?

But then there's the idea that GW is pushing AoS to update all of those old kits that would normally be cross-compatible, or that are hold-overs from WHFB. The new Chaos Warriors and Saurus are bigger, wider, and wouldn't fit easily on the old square bases that are much smaller than their new circular ones.

If they want AoS to have its own identity from TOW, they'd keep them separate, to avoid customer confusion, right?

Time will tell, but I think the further along we get to TOW, the more we're going to see proof that the miniatures will not be cross compatible, much in the same way that there's no support for the new Primaris units in 30k. Setting aside arguments of 'counts as' or 'conversions', the fact remains that the Repulsor tank does not have rules in 30k, because it's from a totally different time.

What I think WILL happen, is GW may create ways to use TOW models in AoS instead. I could see Cathay and Kislev units being comparable to upcoming Dawnbringer Crusades stuff, but not the other way around.

Of course base sizes aren't immutable(if they were 25mm square wouldnjt exist). 25mm square too small? Make it 30-35mm instead