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Seems like the consensus at GW is that making a whole faction out of a single unit was one of the worse 1st ed ideas that should not be pursued further*, but they have a sculptor who is still inspired to make the odd character. Which works with GW's current approach to army updates. A lone character is what GW considers support for s faction that get passed over for a larger model release, after all.

It just gets silly when a faction is passed over time and again the characters start accumulating. GW genuinely doesn't seem to know what to do with the faction.


* Daughters of Khaine are kind of in the same position, when you think about it. Flesheater Courts still languish. Others never developed that far and got folded back into larger factions during later edition consolidations.

tneva82 wrote:
Guess better if instead of fs hero stormcast hero? Idoneth hero? Sylvaneth hero? Cos hero?

Ok, ofcourse you are right that a new fancy hero is better than nothing
However, what he really herald with that box of old models is "no serious new faction update this time around either". So, with no new hero, we could still have kept hope for GW to do something with that faction that was one of the absolute first original AoS factions.

I mean, they have not even been given the AoS treatment with cavalry based on a monster model. They should have had their "magma raptor fyrespitter riders" by now.

 Geifer wrote:
Seems like the consensus at GW is that making a whole faction out of a single unit was one of the worse 1st ed ideas that should not be pursued further*, but they have a sculptor who is still inspired to make the odd character. Which works with GW's current approach to army updates. A lone character is what GW considers support for s faction that get passed over for a larger model release, after all.

It just gets silly when a faction is passed over time and again the characters start accumulating. GW genuinely doesn't seem to know what to do with the faction.


* Daughters of Khaine are kind of in the same position, when you think about it. Flesheater Courts still languish. Others never developed that far and got folded back into larger factions during later edition consolidations.

Strong rumours dictate that flesh eaters are due for a chunky update when their book comes around, and the daughters are in a good place at the moment. They're one of the easiest to expand due to the direction they've taken them in with the whole monster hybrid thing.

Yeah, Daughters are in a pretty good place overall. They have 8 different unit choices across 5 kits plus a decent number of hero choices and a really good centrepiece mini. I’d be happy with them getting more but they’re in a much better position than some other forces with plenty of room to grow

I would love a FEC update, finally.

So Warcry gives us a new ghoul unit but the upcoming Regiment of Renown has the old sculpts. Anyone wager a guess if they're juts being cheap or if the Warcry sculpts will be a new distinct unit in the battletome?

There' also that plus sized corpse cart art... I believe it is on the back of current data cards?

Most Warcry sets are their own unit in the book. Often with simpler stats so you'll tend to see most models just with a single weapon profile and such; making them more practical to control as a larger unit.


Flesheaters its hard to say, we've seen a lot of starters sets with their current core plastics in them and releases and marketing art too. If they are getting a big range update then GW are keeping it very tightly lipped on the subject and aren't seeding any hints.
Right now I'd expect them not to have any plastics change, though can live in hope that they would get a few extra units if they are getting a decent model update when their book comes.

Can't say I'd be mad if the Warcry Ghouls become the standard R&F for FEC, but at the same time buying a bunch of kits for a unit that may not end up benefiting from Summoning Rules (if FEC keep those) or other buffs would be pretty sad.

Well that was sooner than expected:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/21/sunday-preview-the-seraphon-unveil-their-greatest-plan-yet/

Is that everything in one go? I've lost track.

Oh no, my wallet!

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well that was sooner than expected:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/21/sunday-preview-the-seraphon-unveil-their-greatest-plan-yet/

Is that everything in one go? I've lost track.

Looks like all.

I know two locals whose wallet probably fainted

Unless I've missed some news, I'm surprised we still have no word on a Vanguard box.

Wonder what the balance of new vs old will be

*must not start new army - must not start new army - must not start new army - must not start new army*


If I keep chanting I can remain strong

*dear gods GW release a new zombie dragon to distract me!*

That article also mentions that we'll get a new miniature reveal for AoS this week... got to be Cities of Sigmar, no?

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Unless I've missed some news, I'm surprised we still have no word on a Vanguard box.

Wonder what the balance of new vs old will be

Makes it pretty likely it consists mostly of new models. This way they can sell the new units on their own for a while before the discount box. Still not sure if it will just be the army set or some other combination (Aggradons?)

Not too bad for my wallet since I’m going without Saurus units. My big investment has been everything before this.

All I want from this for now is 1-2 Aggrodons, the Scar Vet and maybe a box of Krox. Surprised its dropping in one, but I guess this is the last big drop this side of 10th.

So torn between grabbing a lot and waiting for the Vanguard box.

Avoiding characters and just some krox, aggradons and a salamander couldn't hurt, right?

Voss wrote:
So torn between grabbing a lot and waiting for the Vanguard box.

Avoiding characters and just some krox, aggradons and a salamander couldn't hurt, right?

The skink starseer has an alternate build for the skink, so even if it's in a future vanguard box, that's not the worst choice

 Matrindur wrote:

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Unless I've missed some news, I'm surprised we still have no word on a Vanguard box.

Wonder what the balance of new vs old will be

Makes it pretty likely it consists mostly of new models. This way they can sell the new units on their own for a while before the discount box. Still not sure if it will just be the army set or some other combination (Aggradons?)

I hope it's more akin to the Slaves to Darkness boxes, honestly, with the contents of the army set and the vanguard being completely different. There might be Saurus, but I can see them putting in a unit of Skinks, either a Steg, a Basti, or Terradons, and rounding it off with the Starseer and the Kroxigor. I bought the army set, so ideally just anything except more Raptadons or Temple Guard

 GaroRobe wrote:

Voss wrote:
So torn between grabbing a lot and waiting for the Vanguard box.

Avoiding characters and just some krox, aggradons and a salamander couldn't hurt, right?

The skink starseer has an alternate build for the skink, so even if it's in a future vanguard box, that's not the worst choice

Eh. I've got enough skink wizards. And there are so many, which were in a variety of boxes for a long time.

That's the one model in this release that I'm genuinely baffled by.


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 Tim the Biovore wrote:
I hope it's more akin to the Slaves to Darkness boxes, honestly, with the contents of the army set and the vanguard being completely different. There might be Saurus, but I can see them putting in a unit of Skinks, either a Steg, a Basti, or Terradons, and rounding it off with the Starseer and the Kroxigor. I bought the army set, so ideally just anything except more Raptadons or Temple Guard

The army set would be a hard sell as a vanguard. A Slann and that many raptadons would be a bad choice. It wasn't even great for the army set.

I don't even play AoS, but my goodness those minis are tempting.

Thrilled to have it all dropping in one! Was worried we were going to have to wait till after the launch of 10th for the rest of the Seraphon range.

Definitely getting some Aggradons and Kroxigor! I'm not too fussed about the Vanguard, knowing GW's tendency it'll be a bunch of things I don't even want in my army, like skinks

Voss wrote:I've got enough skink wizards.

that many raptadons would be a bad choice.

drbored wrote:things I don't even want in my army, like skinks

Blasphemers! Skinks are the true way to go! Bring on More Skinks!

Wasn't there scuttlebutt that new Skinks & Saurus guard would be coming in the Seraphon Vanguard?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Wasn't there scuttlebutt that new Skinks & Saurus guard would be coming in the Seraphon Vanguard?

First I’ve heard of it. I doubt we get new units for either of those soon or they’d have been pictured in the new army book.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Wasn't there scuttlebutt that new Skinks & Saurus guard would be coming in the Seraphon Vanguard?

Never heard that. Would be very surprising when the book still has pics of the current models.

Yeah if GW are using the old ones in the book then those are set for remaining for at the very least a few months


It's why I keep worrying if we'll see a pyrovore or biovore in current Tyranid marketing because I REALLY want those models to update!

Codices/army books have sometimes had outdated stuff in them. Ork codex had previous Boyz and Kommandos, for example, although the plastics were already out/previewed.

I guess I'll just keep hoping...

 Overread wrote:
It's why I keep worrying if we'll see a pyrovore or biovore in current Tyranid marketing because I REALLY want those models to update!

If the models are coming out with the Codex, they'll be in there. If they're not planned 'til later, the Codex won't reveal them. GW's absurd secrecy even applies to their Codices, as maddening as that is.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Wasn't there scuttlebutt that new Skinks & Saurus guard would be coming in the Seraphon Vanguard?

Haven't heard a thing about this until you brought it up, which makes me wonder where you heard such a thing.

Vanguards can have released models but seldom have all new models released *via* those vanguard boxes. The one exception was maybe the Slaves to Darkness Start Collecting, which released with brand new stuff WAY ahead of the rest of the faction getting updated.