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I'll be honest, after seeing the leaks from the next battletome of Cities of Sigmar, I can't help but thinking they're doing a "Teclis" move here. What I mean by that is that it really feels like what they did with Lumineth in the previous edition - releasing the "first part" of the Lumineth in a battletome book that got replaced with the "campaign end edition books" later, in the "Teclis" one, when the second part is released - a mere couple of months later.

Everything in the book is clearly compartimented so that only humans work really well together, with the duardins and aelves being somewhat of a left over.

It's really feels like the dark aelves and dispossessed are only there to sell the kits before they get replaced in their own separate factions later, and that only freeguilds will remain for the Cities.

The book looks gorgeous and all with just the background, illustrations and even pictures of painted new miniatures, but I dunno if I just should wait for the next books in Dawnbringer series to see if my feels get me right and buy the "full book" later in this current edition.

A second wave is very likely, how and when it comes though is hard to say. Ossiarch players are still waiting for a second wave of models.

So GW could double down and in 6 months there's a campaign book and a bunch of new models; or they could drip feed leaders for a 3 years now and then and then give an update or you could wait 5 years until a model update.

 Separoth12 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Has the person posted any better pics yet? Like close-ups of the faces, etc?

Given that they allegedly bought it and aren't an employee leaking it, I hope they'd post more photos

Here's a link to some better pictures, they're closer and clearer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/15psk3c/comment/jw1dlhv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Thank you! I was hoping we would get non-potato cam quality images.

These models look great. They've got a broken drum with a human head drumstick, a flayed skin for a flag, great looking heads, and even included a ghoul munching on an arm. This is how FEC should look

Yeah it looks like a really nice kit, the human heads being used as drumsticks has pretty much sold me on it alone, seems to have a good variety of nice looking head options as well.

I'm really keen to see what else they might get.

Yeah, about damn time cannibal knights & serfs get some goodies.

Damn, these look so cool. Love that AoS is finally getting some new units again.

I'd like to see a skeleton dragon kit released in addition to the existing kits. Because the current zombie 'dragon' kit is only such because they've named it that way--IMO it is pretty clearly an undead wyvern. To be clear I don't say this from the historically-uninformed angle of 'it must have X limbs or its not a dragon' but rather looking at what Warhammer lore has established as a dragon verses what it has established as a wyvern.

-The zombie monster sculpt has two legs whereas (afaik) every Warhammer dragon thus far has had four legs, and there have been a lot of them.

-The shape/posture is not at all like the serpentine aspect WH dragons have traditionally gone with. A few exceptions (which don't resemble this kit) but generally speaking it's posed more like a WH wyvern.

-The head doesn't look like a dragon at all. Granted not much like a wyvern either but it really doesn't resemble a WH dragon.

I'd love to see a full skeletal dragon - then again every since GhoulSlayer I've also wanted a bone dragon construct (ossiarch style)

I do agree, GW could REALLY go to town with a skeletal dragon, zombie dragon, terrorgast and all as separate kits that each go far further than the current combined kit.

On the Flesh Eater Courts? I do wonder if how well they were received surprised GW.

I mean, they’re all old models. Or at least were. And not necessarily good ones.

Yet, some super interesting background later? And they seem one of the best regarded AoS armies.

Good rules didn't hurt them. I'd also say that they're pretty simple paint-wise with mostly just being flesh and bone, which sounds silly but in the context of armour and weapons and magic.

AoS hasn’t done the serpentine dragon thing anymore though. Look at what Sigmar got for their Dragons, both the big and the small.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On the Flesh Eater Courts? I do wonder if how well they were received surprised GW.

I mean, they’re all old models. Or at least were. And not necessarily good ones.

Yet, some super interesting background later? And they seem one of the best regarded AoS armies.

Their background is IMO one of very few interesting things in AOS lore so I am not surprised they are popular. Receiving new and/or updated kits will surely bring even more players/collectors.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On the Flesh Eater Courts? I do wonder if how well they were received surprised GW.

I mean, they’re all old models. Or at least were. And not necessarily good ones.

Yet, some super interesting background later? And they seem one of the best regarded AoS armies.

Their background is IMO one of very few interesting things in AOS lore so I am not surprised they are popular. Receiving new and/or updated kits will surely bring even more players/collectors.

The lore is awesome but barely any of the models reflect it, hopefully the revamp does them justice. Would like to see something similar to house cawdor models, medieval style but really ragged

New ghouls or I am just seeing things?

Edit: And I am not!

Those are most definitely new. FEC redo finally incoming.

Are they? They look like the same old ghouls to me

 Matrindur wrote:
Are they? They look like the same old ghouls to me

Big ghouls are old but little ones are. Some of those have bandages/rags which old kit did not have and details.

They are also missing the signature back tomahawk hair.

James12345 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On the Flesh Eater Courts? I do wonder if how well they were received surprised GW.

I mean, they’re all old models. Or at least were. And not necessarily good ones.

Yet, some super interesting background later? And they seem one of the best regarded AoS armies.

Their background is IMO one of very few interesting things in AOS lore so I am not surprised they are popular. Receiving new and/or updated kits will surely bring even more players/collectors.

The lore is awesome but barely any of the models reflect it, hopefully the revamp does them justice. Would like to see something similar to house cawdor models, medieval style but really ragged

I agree with this, currently the FEC have a serious case of "tell, don't show".

Unfortunately, there was nothing in the sprue leak that made me think this is going to change.

Grail Seeker wrote:

I agree with this, currently the FEC have a serious case of "tell, don't show".

How do you really "show" a mass delusion though?

Unfortunately, there was nothing in the sprue leak that made me think this is going to change.

You mean other than the swords, halberds, and metal armor plated legs?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Grail Seeker wrote:

I agree with this, currently the FEC have a serious case of "tell, don't show".

How do you really "show" a mass delusion though?

It depends how you model. Take that limited edition "King" model who had a crown, sword and chair and regal pose on his chair. It was all bones and bodies and gore, but the posing and how the creature is reacting to its surroundings tells a story. More so than just a ghoul charging on all fours.

You want to show them doing things that people do just with bodyparts and such. Polishing their sword becomes running guts over a giant sharpened ribgcage bone; riding a noble steed into battle becomes clinging to the back of a huge oversied crazed bat; etc..

 Sotahullu wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Are they? They look like the same old ghouls to me

Big ghouls are old but little ones are. Some of those have bandages/rags which old kit did not have and details.

They are also missing the signature back tomahawk hair.

I was also talking about the small ones the big ones are clearly the old ones. As only the leader has a 360° view on the webstore and I don't have the models, its pretty hard for me to compare but I still don't see it.
None of the bandages seem new and the old ghouls have different length of tomahawk hair. Theres even one without any hair.
They got a new coat of paint but they still seem to be the same old crypt ghouls to me

I've literally got the sprue in my hands. Those are the same Crypt Ghouls.

Then new paint job just really screwed my eyes or flesheater madness really does affect beyond time and space...

Yeah, those aren't new Ghouls.

Has this been posted yet? Article on how yelling at people makes everything easier.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/16/cities-of-sigmar-orders-help-mortals-stand-fast-against-gods-and-daemons/

It wasn't posted here, was yesterday's last article.

I like that setup for orders.

Flesh Eater Courts are the Knightly Kingdoms the Brettonian fans were clamoring for, cursed-wish style.

Grail Seeker wrote:

James12345 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On the Flesh Eater Courts? I do wonder if how well they were received surprised GW.

I mean, they’re all old models. Or at least were. And not necessarily good ones.

Yet, some super interesting background later? And they seem one of the best regarded AoS armies.

Their background is IMO one of very few interesting things in AOS lore so I am not surprised they are popular. Receiving new and/or updated kits will surely bring even more players/collectors.

The lore is awesome but barely any of the models reflect it, hopefully the revamp does them justice. Would like to see something similar to house cawdor models, medieval style but really ragged

I agree with this, currently the FEC have a serious case of "tell, don't show".

Unfortunately, there was nothing in the sprue leak that made me think this is going to change.

I disagree. Everyone wants them to look like dark souls bad guys, and dark souls is cool - but a Dark Souls bad guy used to be a noble knight, and then over time and with some sort of curse usually, he has decayed. Bright colored heraldry into rags, shiny armor into rust, etc.

The ghouls of the flesh eater courts never *had* shiny armor or brightly colored heraldry, they are normal people driven insane by their cannibal curse to believe that they are noble knights, and they use whatever they can get their hands on to improvise stuff, which is exactly what the new sprue looks like.

But some of them are noble knights. Or were. The whole point is that the curse can afflict whole kingdoms, royalty, nobility and peasants. You should have Ghouls in tattered plates, ghouls in shreds of robes, and farmer ghouls with pitchforks and torches.

I think one issue is the lore had to rely on the old models, so a lot of the stories just feature unarmed ghouls. However, other stories have even varghulfs dripped out in robes and fancy clothes and jewelry so both versions are lore friendly