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What are the army boxes typically priced at?

Do the army books the army box comes with have any resale value?

 Gallahad wrote:


Do the army books the army box comes with have any resale value?

They may have for people who only want new book and no plans for any minis because either have too many already or do not have money currently to buy more/new ones.

It's not an army launch box, it doesn't have a tome and big packs of cards. It has a pamphlet and 4 cards. Whether this makes it cheaper than the standard £120 is yet to be seen.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/05/dawnbringers-book-v-lets-you-smash-grand-fortresses-to-rubble-in-team-based-siege-campaigns/

 Gallahad wrote:
Those are nice models. I don't like it that they have decided that all sets will now be mixed between males and females. Seems particularly crazy for tribes whose fighting style relies on physical strength rather than a gun line or something. Might be possible to convert some to males looking at the sculpts.

How much are the new Army Sets these days? Do the army books or whatever that come in the sets have resale value?

Expect to be called mysogynistic and a monster by an army of armchair psychologists

but seriously,I kind of agree with you, but not really for these kits. Barbarian womens are a pretty standard fantasy trope.


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 Overread wrote:
Chaos Spawn is a kind of catch-all term though. It's a bit closer to a racial type than a specific thing.

So this new beast might be a spawn of chaos, but its perhaps stable enough that its a breed/unique creature/type that you can field etc... So it stands alone and gets its own name and so forth.


Much like humans are a creature type, but within that you've got archers, spearmen and so forth in armies.

Doesn't really change my point. Do we really need to have all these bespoken units? But once again, it's only a very minor complaint

I, for one, welcome our new Chaos ma'amrauders.

Chopstick wrote:
Option should be axe, mace or any other 1 handed weapon, or a weapon hand to replace the shield, because the way they held spear near the tip is atrocious, they did the same thing to the chaos warrior but that one they looks like they're relaxing/marching, but this one they actually try to fight like that.

Ah, that's a good shout, couldn't quite work out what seemed off about them. The problem with the Chaos Warriors is them trying to use a two-handed weapon with just one, it's more like what happened with the Saurus Warriors, holding their spears like it's their first day out of the spawning pools. This is my just desserts for being in favour of set poses for plastic infantry; GW took away most of the options and then fully half of what's left looks just as stilted and awkward as the average multipose design.

Sword and board still looks solid, but damn did the unit customization and personalization just take a hit.

There's nothing wrong with wielding a spear with one hand, provided the spear actually looks like it was meant to be used that way. We could discuss the practicalities of using a sword/spear hybrid, but the Darkoath seem to be holding them correctly and most of the poses aren't particularly outlandish. The dude paired with the standard bearer is quite good actually.

Heck if anything spear and shield was used way more commonly in battle than sword and shield for a very long time. Or they'd be used in conjunction with spears first and then short swords being pulled if the spear was broken/lost.

The ability to stab someone at range is very powerful in battle.

It's mostly films, video games and fantasy that have twisted us to perceiving that swords were always the best and almost only weapon used.



The Darkoath spears honestly look more like spear swords as the sharp end looks elongated more like a sword. So them holding them closer to the heavier sword end makes sense for balance and for using them as some kind of hybrid sword-spear weapon. Like a nagamaki (from 5 seconds googling)

yeah, spears are a very practical weapon. I've done some research when looking into Fate stuff and for most of history you can reasonably say that if someone was on the frontlines, they had a spear, and not a sword or an axe. axes in particular are much more practical as tools rather than weapons, since a full-body swing is going to leave you a lot more vulnerable than a full-body thrust, even if an axe might look cooler on film

also, the naginata mention was interesting to me, since I typically associate those as being curved blades, unlike the straight blades on these spears, so I spent a few minutes looking around on wikipedia, and, I didn't really see any specific point of reference for this kind of spear. it seems to be some kind of glaive, but looking at the types of glaives that wikipedia lists, it doesn't really resemble any of them (the east asian naginata, guandao, and woldo, or the Russian sovnya. there's an image of various glaives, including the examples I mentioned, and all of them seem to be curved

having a curved blade on the end makes sense for any purpose that you would want a long blade at the end of a spear. the darkoath blades at the end of their spears are very much just normal sword blades attached to spears. maybe there's some historical precedent here that I'm missing, or maybe the modeler just thought it looked cool (it does; I love this kind of spear)

 Gallahad wrote:
What are the army boxes typically priced at?

Do the army books the army box comes with have any resale value?

Some people like 'limited edition' books. In this particular case, it seems a hard sell, because there's so little in it, and its going to be available as a free PDF and it has an even shorter life span than most GW books, as everything here will be subsumed into the next Slaves to Darkness book (the current one is already almost 18 months old, so could be at half its lifespan)

ONLY 5 male and 5 female bodies?

At least I will have 30 heads to work with.

Bearded women and twinks here I go.

 Overread wrote:
Heck if anything spear and shield was used way more commonly in battle than sword and shield for a very long time. Or they'd be used in conjunction with spears first and then short swords being pulled if the spear was broken/lost.

The ability to stab someone at range is very powerful in battle.

It's mostly films, video games and fantasy that have twisted us to perceiving that swords were always the best and almost only weapon used.

Yep.

Spears easier to train, have advantage of range and lot cheaper to produce for bulk of warriors.

Voss wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
What are the army boxes typically priced at?

Do the army books the army box comes with have any resale value?

Some people like 'limited edition' books. In this particular case, it seems a hard sell, because there's so little in it, and its going to be available as a free PDF and it has an even shorter life span than most GW books, as everything here will be subsumed into the next Slaves to Darkness book (the current one is already almost 18 months old, so could be at half its lifespan)

Thank you for the thoughtful answer. I don't play AOS (obviously) or keep up with GW releases. Seems unlikely this box has enough value for me.

Too bad. I feel it is getting harder and harder to give GW my money. I can never tell what is actually being sold or is just a preview of a pre-order or something. Then the stuff is all gone when I check back later!

I've still got many of the current Chaos Maurader horsemen on sprue and many various barbarians in classic S&S style.

Removed.

 CMLR wrote:
ONLY 5 male and 5 female bodies?

At least I will have 30 heads to work with.

Bearded women and twinks here I go.

I suspect with all the specific action poses the models have, head options alone won't avoid clone syndrome even for the second box. It'll probably help to go with the hand weapon option and sword on a stick respectively on duplicate bodies alongside the different head options to get some variety at least.

Unless GW goes back on the weapon rules and makes different options distinct in the rules again, of course. New edition coming up, so you never know.

There is Darkoath team for Warcry too, so one could also get those to add more variety to the units.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

speaking as a woman in this hobby, more representation of women in models, especially in ranges that aren't exclusively women (AdSor are neat, but feel a bit like "okay, here's your girl toys, different from everyone else"), makes me happy because it makes me feel like there's a place for me in this hobby. I want women to be mixed in with the men, to be a normal thing, but anytime it happens, people start clinging to outdated and sexist gender ideals. things like this are important unless you want this hobby to be exclusively, or near exclusively, men. I want things like this because it makes the hobby feel inviting. expressly saying this representation shouldn't exist has the opposite effect

This, 100%. I love that there are both male and female sculpts, it makes the hobby feel welcoming, plus it's so much more interesting than painting the same super jacked mr universe every time - which I get is apparently a male fantasy, but imo it's boring. That and the mixed genders is why I vastly prefer a lot of the warcry warbands to eg. the super muscley khorne or tzeentch dudes, and why I'm loving these new darkoath.

Ashaar wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

speaking as a woman in this hobby, more representation of women in models, especially in ranges that aren't exclusively women (AdSor are neat, but feel a bit like "okay, here's your girl toys, different from everyone else"), makes me happy because it makes me feel like there's a place for me in this hobby. I want women to be mixed in with the men, to be a normal thing, but anytime it happens, people start clinging to outdated and sexist gender ideals. things like this are important unless you want this hobby to be exclusively, or near exclusively, men. I want things like this because it makes the hobby feel inviting. expressly saying this representation shouldn't exist has the opposite effect

This, 100%. I love that there are both male and female sculpts, it makes the hobby feel welcoming, plus it's so much more interesting than painting the same super jacked mr universe every time - which I get is apparently a male fantasy, but imo it's boring. That and the mixed genders is why I vastly prefer a lot of the warcry warbands to eg. the super muscley khorne or tzeentch dudes, and why I'm loving these new darkoath.

With all due respect I dont think that Warhammer 40k or AoS miniatures should Cather to any type of "gender ideals". This is about a fantasy setting that should have its own specific universe... and not be determined by "past" or New gender trends.

Its about and JUST about the miniatures, sculpts, art etc IMO.

With that said I could care less about any gender on my 28mm miniatures... Currently doing Votann and both genders head sculpts quality is iffy so giving them all helmets. So if GW sculpts a good piece its a good piece and for me its totally detached from social/ political backgrounds... Hell if you wanna be picky about inclusion the fluff is not errrr particularly politically correct XD But then thats part of the "specific fantasy universe" detached from reality I was talking about.

Theres nothing wrong about specific settings having specific preferences. For example, I don't want my UWU CHIBI cute specific universe that I'm a fan of to include other stereotypes either. Thats the charm of the settings.

With all that said whatever floats your boat really. My boat docks in different fantasy universes for different reasons theres plenty of universes to enjoy.

It's easy to say "whatever floats your boat" when literally every dock is made to suit you.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It's easy to say "whatever floats your boat" when literally every dock is made to suit you.

Wrong starting point. You assume Im in the Sexism race... while Im out. Im about the miniatures and so is the core of Warhammer, In fact I have been complaining about GW lack of talent sculpting females for 2 decades now. So NO it does not float my boat the sculpting quality of certain subjects... the other things you're inferring I leave that to other people that cannot split between fantasy and reality.


Disclaimer: I think GW is getting better at sculpting females and these barbarians are a good way forward. The Female on foot standart bearer is the best of the lot.

Personally I feel when a tribe reaches the point of literally swearing blood-oaths to the gods before battle *and the gods listen* any impact of gender on fighting ability has been left very far behind.

One could also argue that the natural/unnatural selection of the Age of Chaos favored populations where both genders were readily able to take up arms in their own defense. Certainly this is a variation of humanity that needs to deal with surroundings several orders of magnitude more dangerous than our own.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It's easy to say "whatever floats your boat" when literally every dock is made to suit you.

Wrong starting point. You assume Im in the Sexism race... while Im out. Im about the miniatures and so is the core of Warhammer, In fact I have been complaining about GW lack of talent sculpting females for 2 decades now. So NO it does not float my boat the sculpting quality of certain subjects... the other things you're inferring I leave that to other people that cannot split between fantasy and reality.


Disclaimer: I think GW is getting better at sculpting females and these barbarians are a good way forward. The Female on foot standart bearer is the best of the lot.

i think votann is a step in the right direction, at least. the head options being interchangeable means that men and women alike are sharing the same armor, which is just reasonable from a tactical perspective, and makes visual sense for models as bulky as these. yeah the faces are underwhelming, but but this is the ideal way to handle kits of this nature

but models like darkoath are a proper step in the other direction. despite not wearing armor, these models still look reasonable (for fantasy barbarians). they don't have their tits obnoxiously out and they're not hyperfeminine for no reason. both these kits get it right in different ways and i hope GW continues following in this trend

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It's easy to say "whatever floats your boat" when literally every dock is made to suit you.

Wrong starting point. You assume Im in the Sexism race... while Im out. Im about the miniatures and so is the core of Warhammer, In fact I have been complaining about GW lack of talent sculpting females for 2 decades now. So NO it does not float my boat the sculpting quality of certain subjects... the other things you're inferring I leave that to other people that cannot split between fantasy and reality.


Disclaimer: I think GW is getting better at sculpting females and these barbarians are a good way forward. The Female on foot standart bearer is the best of the lot.

i think votann is a step in the right direction, at least. the head options being interchangeable means that men and women alike are sharing the same armor, which is just reasonable from a tactical perspective, and makes visual sense for models as bulky as these. yeah the faces are underwhelming, but but this is the ideal way to handle kits of this nature

but models like darkoath are a proper step in the other direction. despite not wearing armor, these models still look reasonable (for fantasy barbarians). they don't have their tits obnoxiously out and they're not hyperfeminine for no reason. both these kits get it right in different ways and i hope GW continues following in this trend

Yes the female caricature is annoying, I do like my Stormcast females though like evocators etc nice kits subtle armour differences and no cheese. I can take cheesy on one or two odd models but not on all of it.

Croneseer army info.

Battleline Warlocks seem decent, no? Good stat/cost ratio on them IIRC, just not enough to outcompete other options.

I do wish the Darkoath were a bit more restrained in their overly dynamic fighting poses; they're nice enough miniatures, but whenever the poses are so extreme it does tend to lead to duplicate figures really standing out, plus they don't look as good when advancing, behind several lines of friends, or otherwise away from enemies they are meant to be fighting.

I suppose there is also just something specifically off about a pose which one would really only hold for a fraction of a second at the end of a thrust or swing, but now seen in ~half the figures all the time. Especially when some seem a bit unnatural, but they might be better with alternative weapons.

Not a major gripe, just a tarnish on what is obviously a big improvement on the current Marauders. A welcome addition to the range.

I'd like some fish-belly-pale, scrawny, noodle-armed marauders with poor eyesight and bad posture. These guys don't make me feel represented at all!

Still not sure how I feel about the Croneseer mini. I dig the long cloak and wings, but the hair is too much. Maybe if there were little trinkets and such woven into her hair, it'd break it up a bit, but it just seems overloaded.

Regarding her lore, I love her though. Anything that will knock Morathi down a peg is cool in my book.

 nels1031 wrote:
Still not sure how I feel about the Croneseer mini. I dig the long cloak and wings, but the hair is too much. Maybe if there were little trinkets and such woven into her hair, it'd break it up a bit, but it just seems overloaded.

Regarding her lore, I love her though. Anything that will knock Morathi down a peg is cool in my book.

I need to get her just for that reason

Myself I dislike Morathi's rules big time finding them boring. Ergo I flat out refuse to use her and have head cannoned my DoK army be anti-morathi rebels aiming to restore Khaine to Khaine's place!

Death to Morathi!

Ergo this release is "yes please"