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VAYASEN wrote: Not even sure if people know yet...but as relatively new(returners) to 40k...is the HH game pretty similar rules or is it basically learning a new game?
Depends on when you left. HH uses a modified version of 7th Ed, so different from the current 9th ed.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Incredible how a regular 3rd party creator can advertise their wares in a perfectly normal manner and some imbecile* interprets it as an official GW kit.
*to be clear, I mean Togusa's source, not them
Yeah, I took this back to the discord and called it out and he's still insisting this isn't 3rd party.
It's a screenshot from the liber daemonica instagram account. I mean you can go and look at the post directly.
It has the name of the company on it, twice. And the description of the instagram account is
"Liber Daemonica Bitz
From concept art and 3D model to the custom miniatures on your table. #WRStudioModels
liberdaemonica.com"
And they're in Estonia! (they moved from Russia uh, recently)
Somone's more than a sandwich short of a picnic on your discord there.
lord_blackfang wrote: Incredible how a regular 3rd party creator can advertise their wares in a perfectly normal manner and some imbecile* interprets it as an official GW kit.
*to be clear, I mean Togusa's source, not them
Yeah, I took this back to the discord and called it out and he's still insisting this isn't 3rd party.
It's a screenshot from the liber daemonica instagram account. I mean you can go and look at the post directly.
It has the name of the company on it, twice. And the description of the instagram account is
"Liber Daemonica Bitz
From concept art and 3D model to the custom miniatures on your table. #WRStudioModels
liberdaemonica.com"
And they're in Estonia! (they moved from Russia uh, recently)
Somone's more than a sandwich short of a picnic on your discord there.
Oh wow, Liber Demonica moved? With the war I'd basically written off ever being able to order from them again.
Guess I'll just mosey on over to their website...
I prefer to buy from miniature manufacturers that *don't* support the overthrow of democracy.
Arbitrator wrote: Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?
To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.
And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.
The Deimos does come with an optional missile rack, gunner, heavy bolter, heavy flamer and multi melta. EDIT: Didn't notice at first glance, but it also has options for a plasma gun, flamer, melta gun and vulite gun in addition to basically everything you normally get on the regular marine vehicle upgrade sprue (HK missile, dozer blade, grenade launcher).
The regular Rhino does have 4 sprues vs the Deimos' 3 sprues, but the Deimos sprues are more densely packed and I think 1 or 2 of the regular Rhino sprues are smaller ones.
And plasmas etc can't be used in 40k. Deimos good for 30k but 40k option to use razorback or rhino as needed worth it.
But you said "not comparable", I'd say they're quite comparable, just intended for different rules
I do wonder if GW will release rules for the Deimos upgrades in the future for 40k though. It seems GW are trying to bridge the gap and give people as much reason as possible to buy more Marines, letting them use Deimos upgrades in 40k would be a way to get people to buy more Rhinos.
lord_blackfang wrote: Incredible how a regular 3rd party creator can advertise their wares in a perfectly normal manner and some imbecile* interprets it as an official GW kit.
*to be clear, I mean Togusa's source, not them
Yeah, I took this back to the discord and called it out and he's still insisting this isn't 3rd party.
It's a screenshot from the liber daemonica instagram account. I mean you can go and look at the post directly.
It has the name of the company on it, twice. And the description of the instagram account is
"Liber Daemonica Bitz
From concept art and 3D model to the custom miniatures on your table. #WRStudioModels
liberdaemonica.com"
And they're in Estonia! (they moved from Russia uh, recently)
Somone's more than a sandwich short of a picnic on your discord there.
Oh wow, Liber Demonica moved? With the war I'd basically written off ever being able to order from them again.
Guess I'll just mosey on over to their website...
Just to shill them again.....check out Tortuga as well. They're based in Ukraine so they can definitely use the money as well
Arbitrator wrote: Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?
To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.
And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.
The Deimos does come with an optional missile rack, gunner, heavy bolter, heavy flamer and multi melta. EDIT: Didn't notice at first glance, but it also has options for a plasma gun, flamer, melta gun and vulite gun in addition to basically everything you normally get on the regular marine vehicle upgrade sprue (HK missile, dozer blade, grenade launcher).
The regular Rhino does have 4 sprues vs the Deimos' 3 sprues, but the Deimos sprues are more densely packed and I think 1 or 2 of the regular Rhino sprues are smaller ones.
And plasmas etc can't be used in 40k. Deimos good for 30k but 40k option to use razorback or rhino as needed worth it.
But you said "not comparable", I'd say they're quite comparable, just intended for different rules
I do wonder if GW will release rules for the Deimos upgrades in the future for 40k though. It seems GW are trying to bridge the gap and give people as much reason as possible to buy more Marines, letting them use Deimos upgrades in 40k would be a way to get people to buy more Rhinos.
That seemed obvious to me, to be honest. We've already got relic terminators, the loyalist Kratos and Sicaran 40k rules in the pipe (or in an existing thing). Relic rhino seems obvious.
Arbitrator wrote: Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?
To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.
And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.
The Deimos does come with an optional missile rack, gunner, heavy bolter, heavy flamer and multi melta. EDIT: Didn't notice at first glance, but it also has options for a plasma gun, flamer, melta gun and vulite gun in addition to basically everything you normally get on the regular marine vehicle upgrade sprue (HK missile, dozer blade, grenade launcher).
The regular Rhino does have 4 sprues vs the Deimos' 3 sprues, but the Deimos sprues are more densely packed and I think 1 or 2 of the regular Rhino sprues are smaller ones.
And plasmas etc can't be used in 40k. Deimos good for 30k but 40k option to use razorback or rhino as needed worth it.
But you said "not comparable", I'd say they're quite comparable, just intended for different rules
I do wonder if GW will release rules for the Deimos upgrades in the future for 40k though. It seems GW are trying to bridge the gap and give people as much reason as possible to buy more Marines, letting them use Deimos upgrades in 40k would be a way to get people to buy more Rhinos.
That seemed obvious to me, to be honest. We've already got relic terminators, the loyalist Kratos and Sicaran 40k rules in the pipe (or in an existing thing). Relic rhino seems obvious.
The only unique thing rules wise about the deimos pattern vehicles is the ability to take some combi and heavy weapons as pintle mounts. They could just add those to the rhino entry and call it a day on that one. Same with some of the upgrades from the standard Land Raider to the Proteus Land Raider Carrier. Pintle Multi Meltas already exist on the land Raider crusader sprue, and swapping the twin heavy bolters for lascannons like the HH kit could just steal the turret from the Razorback.
If we are lucky, when the next marine book comes out they will integrate the various plastic kits into the book rather than in the FW compendium, and move the spartan to HS instead of lord of war as it in the FW book.
Arbitrator wrote: Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.
It is?
To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.
And lacks razorback sprue so not comparable. Reqular rhino you get optlon to use as rhino or razorback as needed. For 40k well worth 2 pounds.
The Deimos does come with an optional missile rack, gunner, heavy bolter, heavy flamer and multi melta. EDIT: Didn't notice at first glance, but it also has options for a plasma gun, flamer, melta gun and vulite gun in addition to basically everything you normally get on the regular marine vehicle upgrade sprue (HK missile, dozer blade, grenade launcher).
The regular Rhino does have 4 sprues vs the Deimos' 3 sprues, but the Deimos sprues are more densely packed and I think 1 or 2 of the regular Rhino sprues are smaller ones.
And plasmas etc can't be used in 40k. Deimos good for 30k but 40k option to use razorback or rhino as needed worth it.
But you said "not comparable", I'd say they're quite comparable, just intended for different rules
I do wonder if GW will release rules for the Deimos upgrades in the future for 40k though. It seems GW are trying to bridge the gap and give people as much reason as possible to buy more Marines, letting them use Deimos upgrades in 40k would be a way to get people to buy more Rhinos.
That seemed obvious to me, to be honest. We've already got relic terminators, the loyalist Kratos and Sicaran 40k rules in the pipe (or in an existing thing). Relic rhino seems obvious.
The only unique thing rules wise about the deimos pattern vehicles is the ability to take some combi and heavy weapons as pintle mounts. They could just add those to the rhino entry and call it a day on that one. Same with some of the upgrades from the standard Land Raider to the Proteus Land Raider Carrier. Pintle Multi Meltas already exist on the land Raider crusader sprue, and swapping the twin heavy bolters for lascannons like the HH kit could just steal the turret from the Razorback.
If we are lucky, when the next marine book comes out they will integrate the various plastic kits into the book rather than in the FW compendium, and move the spartan to HS instead of lord of war as it in the FW book.
CSM Rhinos could already do combi weapons and Havok Launchers so for once this is where Chaos has a lead on the Imperium.
I don't know if the Deimos Rhino needs specific 40k rules in order to be attractive to 40k gamers. The few people still fielding Firstborn probably have their fill of classic Rhinos and will get them based on that alone, just like many of them got Mk3 and 4 marines without needing special rules.
GaroRobe wrote: Worst part of being a Word Bearer player is knowing that we'll probably be one of the last to get an upgrade set. Iron Hands and White Scars too, probably
*Empathises in Delaque*
That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that. We are still waiting for new Delaque minis.
I temper it with realising someone has to be last out the gate. And I’d argue Delaque got the better Expansion Gangers, as we got dudes, critters and the big floaty Murder Brain. Which I’m still yet to build….
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Agamemnon2 wrote: I don't know if the Deimos Rhino needs specific 40k rules in order to be attractive to 40k gamers. The few people still fielding Firstborn probably have their fill of classic Rhinos and will get them based on that alone, just like many of them got Mk3 and 4 marines without needing special rules.
I can see it being popular if it comes with the same weapon options. Cheap transport with a Multi-melta has its uses.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I temper it with realising someone has to be last out the gate. And I’d argue Delaque got the better Expansion Gangers, as we got dudes, critters and the big floaty Murder Brain. Which I’m still yet to build….
What are you talking about? We're still waiting for the Necromunda Delaque release. They've yet to have one.
HMM - looks like there may be issues with getting pre-orders forfilled
Just had my pre-order of a Kratos cancelled by element games as "Games Workshop have informed us that production and stock will take a little while to reach normal levels"
Not sure if thats a production issue or just a huge demand.
Either way I'm down a tank to build this weekend :-(
*Guess I'll have to work on 3 unbuilt Killteam boxes and Ash Wastes *
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Its curious - the paintbrush I ordered has been dispatched as 1 of 2 packages and the text says orders will be split with stock to follow but the sales total indicates I've been given store credit to the value of the kratos.
Not sure to be honest - It could be just be a weird they have to process stuff to split shipments. Element have always been really good in the past so I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.
Just image how many Kratos they'd have sold if they could be arsed to do Chaos rules....
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lord_blackfang wrote: Incredible how a regular 3rd party creator can advertise their wares in a perfectly normal manner and some imbecile* interprets it as an official GW kit.
*to be clear, I mean Togusa's source, not them
A lot of people who are in the 100% in the GW bubble (only play & buy in GW stores) don't realise 3rd parties are a thing. There were people at local GW who didn't know what FW was until recently (with the limited stuff on the webstore and the 30k stuff).
Kinetochore wrote: Just had my pre-order of a Kratos cancelled by element games as "Games Workshop have informed us that production and stock will take a little while to reach normal levels"
Odd - most other stores (such as Goblin Gaming) are clear that they're waiting for a second wave of stock in a couple of months, so you'll just have to wait if you've missed their pre-order allocation.
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Just image how many Kratos they'd have sold if they could be arsed to do Chaos rules....
The same amount because it sold out before the 40K rules were released.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I temper it with realising someone has to be last out the gate. And I’d argue Delaque got the better Expansion Gangers, as we got dudes, critters and the big floaty Murder Brain. Which I’m still yet to build….
What are you talking about? We're still waiting for the Necromunda Delaque release. They've yet to have one.
I see what you did there
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Kinetochore wrote: HMM - looks like there may be issues with getting pre-orders forfilled
Just had my pre-order of a Kratos cancelled by element games as "Games Workshop have informed us that production and stock will take a little while to reach normal levels"
Not sure if thats a production issue or just a huge demand.
Either way I'm down a tank to build this weekend :-(
Am I misremembering or do Element have prior form for overselling their initial allocation then blaming everyone but themselves for the discrepancy?
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Agamemnon2 wrote: I don't know if the Deimos Rhino needs specific 40k rules in order to be attractive to 40k gamers. The few people still fielding Firstborn probably have their fill of classic Rhinos and will get them based on that alone, just like many of them got Mk3 and 4 marines without needing special rules.
They don't, but it'd be nice to be able to use all the lovely guns.
Same for the various other variants (predators, etc) when those happen, because there is a lot of stuff on the sponson sprues.
Kinetochore wrote: HMM - looks like there may be issues with getting pre-orders forfilled
Just had my pre-order of a Kratos cancelled by element games as "Games Workshop have informed us that production and stock will take a little while to reach normal levels"
Not sure if thats a production issue or just a huge demand.
Either way I'm down a tank to build this weekend :-(
Am I misremembering or do Element have prior form for overselling their initial allocation then blaming everyone but themselves for the discrepancy?
Retailers were told there were limits on the stock on the first run, but that they would be restocked in due course. The sales reps (as yet) don't know when that restock will be. Element could have taken orders optimistically, hoping for a quick-ish restock by GW... but I think your suspicions are correct. They gamble: you lose.
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