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As someone who hasn't played Heresy previously, is there any new options in this kit or is it just a plastic reimagining of what was already available?

Seems to be:

Take Resin ---> Make Plastic

Which is a perfectly fine method, IMO.


And we may be all wrong and every option is in the box. But it's not fething "entitlement" to want the basic options from the book to be in the box.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And we may be all wrong and every option is in the box. But it's not fething "entitlement" to want the basic options from the book to be in the box.

I think it's most likely there'll be two boxes with a few options in each. The same as the Leman Russ.

I don't really mind that idea, while I would like all options in one box the reality is that it would likely require another sprue and probably bump the price up by another 20 to 25% or more. So the question becomes would you rather have all options, or half the options and cheaper. Given I can only play with one at a time, I'd rather the latter.

I've not been a fan of the trend to include more options but increase prices such that you have to spend more money to get the same number of models on the table. Options are nice, but when it comes to GW the prices are already high enough that a streamlined option is nice.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
As someone who hasn't played Heresy previously, is there any new options in this kit or is it just a plastic reimagining of what was already available?

The Graviton cannon and Volkite macro-saker are new options for HH 2.0 available in the new kit. There's also the Neutron blaster, which was added as an option but there's never been a kit available.

In total, Heresy predators have 9 weapon options (ones in the new kit are bolded):

* Predator cannon
* Gravis lascannon
* Magna-melta
* Plasma executioner
* Heavy C-beam cannon
* Graviton cannon
* Volkite macro-saker
* Flamestorm cannon
* Neutron blaster

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
As someone who hasn't played Heresy previously, is there any new options in this kit or is it just a plastic reimagining of what was already available?

The Graviton cannon and Volkite macro-saker are new options for HH 2.0 available in the new kit. There's also the Neutron blaster, which was added as an option but there's never been a kit available.

In total, Heresy predators have 9 weapon options (ones in the new kit are bolded):

* Predator cannon
* Gravis lascannon
* Magna-melta
* Plasma executioner
* Heavy C-beam cannon
* Graviton cannon
* Volkite macro-saker
* Flamestorm cannon
* Neutron blaster

As peeved as I am that they didn't show what melta/flame looks like, it's not really a big deal for myself. Luckily the box with my deimos pred turret/weapons didn't get jacked so when I grab a plastic one, I will have ALL the options...("every silver linings got a touch of grey")

Bonus if you didn't have to look it up

Hopefully we all get some infantry options soon, either as add on packs or a new kit.

Sense would be a stand alone breacher shields kit that can be attached to existing plastic kits, with it designed to primarily work with Mk3 but use able with all marks.
Also, plastic Mk2 and Mk5 would be hella cool.

 Dr. Mills wrote:
Hopefully we all get some infantry options soon, either as add on packs or a new kit.

Sense would be a stand alone breacher shields kit that can be attached to existing plastic kits, with it designed to primarily work with Mk3 but use able with all marks.
Also, plastic Mk2 and Mk5 would be hella cool.

More so than breacher shields I think a jump pack upgrade sprue / assault squad are in order. Only the mk3 tactical box has non-sergeant melee elements (chainswords). Which is just silly considering the sheer number of characters and veteran units who get access to jump packs.

I'm still hoping that other units are used as a back door to redo other armor marks. Mk IV with jump pack or normal packs to make assault marines, despoilers, or destroyers. MK III with breacher gear or melee weapons. Rapier platforms with MK II crew to get the CAD files expanded from vehicle crew.

I'd be pretty happy with a breacher add on sprue and an assault weapons add on sprue, not going to lie.

 morganfreeman wrote:
More so than breacher shields I think a jump pack upgrade sprue / assault squad are in order. Only the mk3 tactical box has non-sergeant melee elements (chainswords). Which is just silly considering the sheer number of characters and veteran units who get access to jump packs.

The MkIV kit has the large knives that were supposed to represent a chainsword equivalent in the 1.0 rules. But I guess that sort of counts-as might not fly as readily now that there's specific rules for non-chainsword basic close combat weapons.

If they do jump packs as as upgrade sprue, hopefully they have alternate chest plates for the harnesses. Could tie them to poses like the special weapon instructions.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
If they do jump packs as as upgrade sprue, hopefully they have alternate chest plates for the harnesses. Could tie them to poses like the special weapon instructions.

Considering that the chest plates are integrated with the legs they’re either not bothering with straps or we’ll be getting more poses (for peak aerial dynamism).
Or I suppose they could supply modular plastic straps that go over the existing chest plates. But that seems even less likely.

Somehow I can't see them doing jump pack assault marines without jump pack assault poses. Maybe not flight stands, but certainly *something* to suggest movement and oomph.

Ideally we’ll get “assaulty” running poses, with jump packs and separate straps. Use them to make destroyers, assault squads and just a regular tactical squad out for a jog.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/08/tackle-anything-the-age-of-darkness-throws-at-you-with-the-versatile-new-predator/

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
As someone who hasn't played Heresy previously, is there any new options in this kit or is it just a plastic reimagining of what was already available?

Graviton and Volkite turret weapons plus the Volkite sponsons are new.

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/08/tackle-anything-the-age-of-darkness-throws-at-you-with-the-versatile-new-predator/

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Well, good to know a possible name for the 40k equivalent of the chaos 'soulshatter lascannons' (the d6+2 damage version).

Also, kit looks great, either way. I'm looking forward more and more to the next wave of HH kits.

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/08/tackle-anything-the-age-of-darkness-throws-at-you-with-the-versatile-new-predator/

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These snippets of news are more like teasers. But thanks for the link!

Nice!

Dear God Emperor, please make it so there will be rules for this new Predator in 40k, especially the Volkite-version.

Amen.

 MinscS2 wrote:
Dear God Emperor, please make it so there will be rules for this new Predator in 40k, especially the Volkite-version.

Amen.

You bet they're going to be only available for Firstborn.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
On the other side, we don't know what else is coming with a kit that hasn't been officially shown yet. People really, really need to chill out. It's pretty clear from what we have so far that this release is being handled with a different philosophy when compared to their other two games.

One big thing to note is that the Liber books are written in an entirely different, and more adult way than the 40K recent materials have been. To me, that signals a different philosophy from the design perspective. I never in a million years expected to the see the heavy weapon and special weapon upgrade sprues. Something I've long thought should be the standard for their games. Let's see what happens.

I think if the kit had more options it would'a been in the trailer.

You are very much correct in that there is a different philosophy for either game, with HH being clearly superior. Insectum and many others have been praising the sheer amount of options in the Liber books, and having finally had a chance to look at them yesterday it is staggering just how much stuff is in there.

Meanwhile, my Chaos Codex just arrived, and they ain't even got lightning claws in the HTH weapon list.

Yep! The options are pretty nice. I love being able to design my own characters. I jumped ship on my Chaos Marines, traded them in for four painted Termite Siege Drills to use in my Heresy armies.

A note about the other options, we were thinking the same thing about the Leviathan, which was originally shown off with only ranged options. But as I recall later pictures have shown their to definitely be another upgrade sprue for CC for that kit.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Somehow I can't see them doing jump pack assault marines without jump pack assault poses. Maybe not flight stands, but certainly *something* to suggest movement and oomph.

I think an assault squad would want new legs, maybe not jumping (so they can also be used for ground pounding melee units) but at least something beyond the "stand still" or "slowly walk forward" poses of the regular kits.

Voss wrote:

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/08/tackle-anything-the-age-of-darkness-throws-at-you-with-the-versatile-new-predator/

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Well, good to know a possible name for the 40k equivalent of the chaos 'soulshatter lascannons' (the d6+2 damage version).

Gravis isnt equivalent to the soulshatter. It's basically used in place of "twin" since twin linked in HH is for rerolls. It's double the number of shots, not extra damage.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Voss wrote:

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/08/tackle-anything-the-age-of-darkness-throws-at-you-with-the-versatile-new-predator/

Leak control has been activated

Well, good to know a possible name for the 40k equivalent of the chaos 'soulshatter lascannons' (the d6+2 damage version).

Gravis isnt equivalent to the soulshatter. It's basically used in place of "twin" since twin linked in HH is for rerolls. It's double the number of shots, not extra damage.

Well, that is, except the gravis plasma cannon (not TLed, just better), or the gravis melta (multi meltas alredy had "twin" exhausts), or the gravis power fist, or the gravis chainfist...

It also isn't double shots all the time: it is sometimes (melta, lascannon, plasma is large blast instead of small one), but not other times (boltcannon is Heavy 6 instead of 4 and TLed, autocannon is Heavy 3 instead of 2 and TLed...). And of course, the CC weapons are their own thing.

It's not very consistent.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Man the entitlement is real.

How dare people want to be able to model what's in the rules.

This is the kind of gak that led to no model/no rule, or did you forget that

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Sicaran-Arcus-Strike-Tank-2017

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Deimos-Pattern-Predator-Infernus


Etc

Rules available, models available.

You know I was talking about the plastic kit. Don't be unnecessarily difficult.

Becoming increasingly tempted to do a Heresy armoured column. I’m loving all the tanks.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Becoming increasingly tempted to do a Heresy armoured column. I’m loving all the tanks.

Same here - even more so now that many are in plastic now, or will soon be!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Becoming increasingly tempted to do a Heresy armoured column. I’m loving all the tanks.

I'm not tempted. I'm gonna do it.