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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Because that’s going to be the tipping point. Titans and Thunderhawks may be an escalation too far right now, because their price and complexity can be too much for some (have I mentioned I bloody hate working in resin?). But, make them more accessible? The escalation issue is mitigated, because the kits themselves become less exclusive.

This is me in a nutshell. I'm in the market for something like a Titan, I have the experience, patience and age/income to buy, build and paint one. I would set up summer Apocalypse battles in my garden to game with it.

But in FW resin, it's a hard pass from me. Bad QC, and the wrong material for heavy models - brittle when dropped and warps in the heat. Keeps me away from the Puppetswar mech too.

There's more use in those pre-painted 1/18 mecha on AliExpress for £100. Heck, I'd rather do interesting things with kids' toys like the various Hulkbuster armours and Star Wars spaceships in hard plastic. Most Gunpla are in the wrong style, sadly. Actually, good point - there IS a market there for £150+ high-quality models.

I'd just be happy for them to release Lucius.

I wouldn't be surprised if GW had tried to design Thunderhawk in plastic for years already. But it's a huge model and serious investment in tooling. It would probably require some clever design compromises to double up some sprues instead of each sprue being unique. Baneblade was 7(?) unique large sprues which was almost twice as much as the original Cities of Death kits combined at the time.

HH2.0 would be the perfect excuse to finally make Thunderhawk happen. Not the first or second wave, but keep it as an ace in the sleeve and hit the table as soon as the sales start declining. It's the crown jewel of any Space Marine collection that most people have avoided because it's only available in resin (and has a rather spicy price tag because of it).

Plastic Thunderhawk has a potential to sell like hotcakes. Well, £275 hotcakes but nevertheless. I consider myself as a medium sized whale at best but I would probably buy one even if I don't really have a marine army nor a place to display one. It's a nothing burger compared to what I have spent on Lego Star Wars collectibles.

Heresy Thursday – The Emperor’s Children Sashay Into Battle With a Stylish New Praetor

That alternate head is GRIM. I admit, my first thought was "How does he eat?"

 Scottywan82 wrote:
That alternate head is GRIM. I admit, my first thought was "How does he eat?"

Mine too. But then I remembered they are hooked into their suits and could potentially be fed intravenously that way. Or there’s a port in there for a straw for him to suck down baby food.
Of course once illuminated by the light of chaos such mortal considerations fall by the wayside of the path to glory.

Hopefully this doesn't mean every new Praetor model is in Mk6.

Do like the bare head.

Really like that Praetor.

I just checked which legions don't have Praetor models yet and I am surprised how many there are.
Iron Hands, Raven Guard, Salamanders, World Eaters, Iron Warriors and Death Guard don't have any, Thousand Sons and Space Wolves only have a Terminator version and Emperors Children at least got their power armor version now.

All of the arguments about the Thunderhawk (too big, too expensive, can’t use it in most games, etc.) we’re used when they released the Warlord titan, and they’ve sold thousands of this buggers at the price of a small car! They could definitely sell plenty of £2-300 plastic Thunderhawks.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
That alternate head is GRIM. I admit, my first thought was "How does he eat?"

I love it. Definite purchase for me I reckon.


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Are the new praetors going to be in plastic?

Great model. I love that he is based on the new Mk6 Marine design, makes him fit in really well while retaining the unique flair of the Legion.

The recently released Sons of Horus Praetor looks so different from anything else with his ultra custom suit of Mk4 armour, the sculpting style is even different from older SoH Forge World models.

God I wish he was plastic. It’s rare for me to love an unhelmeted fw head, but that looks perfect for word bearers.

I guess I’ll get a plastic one eventually when WC debut

 Matrindur wrote:
Really like that Praetor.

I just checked which legions don't have Praetor models yet and I am surprised how many there are.
Iron Hands, Raven Guard, Salamanders, World Eaters and Death Guard don't have any, Thousand Sons and Space Wolves only have a Terminator version and Emperors Children at least got their power armor version now.

Iron Warriors have neither too. Iron Hands have the Iron Father which I believe is praetor-equivalent.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
That alternate head is GRIM. I admit, my first thought was "How does he eat?"

I love it. Definite purchase for me I reckon.


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Are the new praetors going to be in plastic?

Probably not plastic, but Im not sure. The large flappy cloak look very much like standard plasic design, and some of the details look suspiciously like the plasic designers had something to do with it. Would be great if it was plasic.

It’ll be resin. They said legion specific stuff will stay resin.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Iron Hands have the Iron Father which I believe is praetor-equivalent.

Iron-Father is an upgrade for a Praetor, and apparently that model was intended to be Autek Mor.

 ImAGeek wrote:
It’ll be resin. They said legion specific stuff will stay resin.

Yeah, plus each of these are looking at ~1/18th the audience, so resin seems more practical. A generic praetor on the other hand...
They could have been kind and addressed the obvious question, however. There was a 0% chance that people wouldn't ask.

AI is getting a 30k book - Conquer the Skies in the Age of Darkness with Horus Heresy: Aeronautica Imperialis

The praetor has his hand on a sword, but I like to think he's holding out his ring hand for someone to kiss and pledge fealty

Voss wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It’ll be resin. They said legion specific stuff will stay resin.

Yeah, plus each of these are looking at ~1/18th the audience, so resin seems more practical. A generic praetor on the other hand...
They could have been kind and addressed the obvious question, however. There was a 0% chance that people wouldn't ask.

That was a credible excuse until they started doing plastic BL, store anniversary and event minis.

Does the fact that they do not mention Forge World mean this Praetor is a plastic release? Just tell us in the article GW.

 Jadenim wrote:
All of the arguments about the Thunderhawk (too big, too expensive, can’t use it in most games, etc.) we’re used when they released the Warlord titan, and they’ve sold thousands of this buggers at the price of a small car! They could definitely sell plenty of £2-300 plastic Thunderhawks.

"Thousands" is a bit of an exaggeration, I think they've sold about 1500, a decent chunk of those were thanks to covid

But my argument was never that they wouldn't sell at all, just questioning if they would sell enough to warrant translating it to plastic.

Many people who have the money, space, and desire to build such a large model have already bought the resin Thunderhawk for £550, so they're marketing to the people who have the money, space, and desire to build such a large model that didn't want to pay £550 but would be happy paying maybe £300-ish and/or didn't want to deal with Forge World. I'm not saying there's zero people like that, but enough to warrant designing and manufacturing the many large sprues that would go into such a kit? I'm not as convinced.

Though I'm sure it wouldn't flop as hard as Age of Sigmar Dominion boxes


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ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Does the fact that they do not mention Forge World mean this Praetor is a plastic release? Just tell us in the article GW.

I'm going to guess he'll be resin. No evidence though, that's just my guess. Some of the detail work looks like it was resin rather than plastic (his right shoulder pad as an example).





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Actually I'm pretty sure he's resin. His right shoulder pad would need to be several pieces to have that detail in plastic, and his backpack has details that would also need to be several parts. and the aquila on his cape looks like it has undercuts.

Happy to be proven wrong, but yeah, looks resin to me.

That's a quality mini. I might have bought it in plastic, but I won't pay Forge World prices.

Thats a beautiful sculpt. It would be a shame it if it were resin.

jullevi wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if GW had tried to design Thunderhawk in plastic for years already. But it's a huge model and serious investment in tooling. It would probably require some clever design compromises to double up some sprues instead of each sprue being unique. Baneblade was 7(?) unique large sprues which was almost twice as much as the original Cities of Death kits combined at the time.

HH2.0 would be the perfect excuse to finally make Thunderhawk happen. Not the first or second wave, but keep it as an ace in the sleeve and hit the table as soon as the sales start declining. It's the crown jewel of any Space Marine collection that most people have avoided because it's only available in resin (and has a rather spicy price tag because of it).

Plastic Thunderhawk has a potential to sell like hotcakes. Well, £275 hotcakes but nevertheless. I consider myself as a medium sized whale at best but I would probably buy one even if I don't really have a marine army nor a place to display one. It's a nothing burger compared to what I have spent on Lego Star Wars collectibles.

Thunderhawk wouldn´t sell like hotcakes. It would rather be dead weight. And way TOO large!


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 Jadenim wrote:
All of the arguments about the Thunderhawk (too big, too expensive, can’t use it in most games, etc.) we’re used when they released the Warlord titan, and they’ve sold thousands of this buggers at the price of a small car! They could definitely sell plenty of £2-300 plastic Thunderhawks.

GW has proved that they are willing to cater to ordinary hobbyists with their price policy for HH 2.0. Buying Warlord Titans for 40K is only suitable for whales.


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 stahly wrote:
Great model. I love that he is based on the new Mk6 Marine design, makes him fit in really well while retaining the unique flair of the Legion.

The recently released Sons of Horus Praetor looks so different from anything else with his ultra custom suit of Mk4 armour, the sculpting style is even different from older SoH Forge World models.

I might be wrong but this EC praetor looks like as if he was the same size as the new MK VI Tactical. The praetors in the AoD box on the other hand are the size of Ogryns.

JSG wrote:

Voss wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It’ll be resin. They said legion specific stuff will stay resin.

Yeah, plus each of these are looking at ~1/18th the audience, so resin seems more practical. A generic praetor on the other hand...
They could have been kind and addressed the obvious question, however. There was a 0% chance that people wouldn't ask.

That was a credible excuse until they started doing plastic BL, store anniversary and event minis.

I don't know why you think so. Those are limited run models for collectors to nab if they can and scalpers to buy out on day 1 and resell. GW basically washes their hands of those immediately after they sell them.
That's very different from producing a praetor for each legion to stick around for a long term but (presumably) second tier game.

beast_gts wrote:
AI is getting a 30k book - Conquer the Skies in the Age of Darkness with Horus Heresy: Aeronautica Imperialis

Spoiler:

GW, the community wants 30K Epic and not a boring dog fight in the sky. Geez, they never learn.

 Strg Alt wrote:
I might be wrong but this EC praetor looks like as if he was the same size as the new MK VI Tactical. The praetors in the AoD box on the other hand are the size of Ogryns.

If he's on a 40mm base like the AOD praetors then he's probably quite large, lol. Even on a 32mm base he looks taller than a regular MkVI tac (which are 32mm to the eye, so it gives a good comparison), but probably not as big as the AOD praetors.

 The Power Cosmic wrote:
That's a quality mini. I might have bought it in plastic, but I won't pay Forge World prices.

Same. Anything offered on FW is an instant "NOPE" from my side. Suits in Nottingham better learn this fast.

Suits in Nottingham....Learn?

They are capable of that?