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Yeah, HH seems to exist in a weird twilight zone right now. It's clear that they're trying to make it more accessible, but the things that really make the HH so interesting are all of the exotic and characterful vehicles and infantry units that currently only exist in resin.
For a lot of us, the combination of FW outrageous pricing and the difficulty of working with resin just makes the bar too high for entry. Plastic kits can solve all of that, and the ones that they've previewed so far look to be making a good start on that. ...but as everyone's already pointed out ... they just aren't releasing the kits!
It's so strange to me. I've already lost track of which kits are out, which have release dates, and which haven't received release dates. And then there's the problem that their online store is *constantly* out of stock. It's just exhausting, and makes the whole thing feel like more effort than its worth, for me at least.
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Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?
It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.
It does feel like it; I was expecting some more core infantry to have at least been announced by now; assault/despoilers, breachers, and we still don't have an announced release for the last of the previewed heavy weapons. My take is these should have been at the forefront of a new launch. :S
Shooty Leviathan, Predator, Sicaran, two sets of Heavy Weapons. Pretty sure there’s another one or two things officially previewed I’ve forgotten?
I think that's all the plastic stuff previewed yea. Then there's the resin characters like Lucius and the resin Praetors.
Are we not missing another Special Weapons set? Grav guns and whatnot?
There is two more heavy weapon sets still to come. One has 10 plasma cannons, 10 heavy flamers, and 10 multi-meltas. The other has 10 volkite culverins, 10 lascannons, and 10 autocannons.
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Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?
It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.
It does feel like it; I was expecting some more core infantry to have at least been announced by now; assault/despoilers, breachers, and we still don't have an announced release for the last of the previewed heavy weapons. My take is these should have been at the forefront of a new launch. :S
Shooty Leviathan, Predator, Sicaran, two sets of Heavy Weapons. Pretty sure there’s another one or two things officially previewed I’ve forgotten?
I think that's all the plastic stuff previewed yea. Then there's the resin characters like Lucius and the resin Praetors.
Are we not missing another Special Weapons set? Grav guns and whatnot?
There is two more heavy weapon sets still to come. One has 10 plasma cannons, 10 heavy flamers, and 10 multi-meltas. The other has 10 volkite culverins, 10 lascannons, and 10 autocannons.
wish they'd hurry up there I see the lascanon pack selling really well
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crumby_cataphract wrote: Yeah, HH seems to exist in a weird twilight zone right now. It's clear that they're trying to make it more accessible, but the things that really make the HH so interesting are all of the exotic and characterful vehicles and infantry units that currently only exist in resin.
For a lot of us, the combination of FW outrageous pricing and the difficulty of working with resin just makes the bar too high for entry. Plastic kits can solve all of that, and the ones that they've previewed so far look to be making a good start on that. ...but as everyone's already pointed out ... they just aren't releasing the kits!
It's so strange to me. I've already lost track of which kits are out, which have release dates, and which haven't received release dates. And then there's the problem that their online store is *constantly* out of stock. It's just exhausting, and makes the whole thing feel like more effort than its worth, for me at least.
Beyond the starting release (mk6, rhino, kratos, ML/HB and special weapons), the only thing out is the melee Leviathan. And the IF & Sons of Horus resin shoulders and hats.
Only thing with a release date are the DA resin shoulders and hats.
Re-release boxes of Mk3 and 4 kits are stuck in restock, Deimos Rhino is largely stuck out of stock, Kratos (and I think special weapons sometimes) slides back and forth.
Future release dates aren't really a thing GW does. Its either the Sunday preview of the Saturday preorder, or... nothing.
The building of Chonnclestiltskin was a bit of a revelation for me.
I’ve previously built a resin Contemptor, and found the legs such a pain in the arse to get a good pose with it put me further off.
But the plastic kit has pretty much resolved that fear. Same with the plastic Contemptor. Those few seconds of play time before the poly cement (I use GW, because I used to have a shop up the road which was nice and easy) properly starts to do its thing was literal wiggle room.
Just need to buy some 6mm x 1mm magnets and I can start sorting out his claws.
It’s a really nice kit to put together, though a couple of bits took some dry fitting to twig. Probably me being thick though, as in the instructions did match once I figured it out.
Model also has a pretty satisfying heft, certainly more than I was expecting from a plastic kit. But in hindsight there’s not a lot of empty space in the kit itself. Definitely of a mood to buy more for a Fury of the Ancients list in due course, because everyone loves a Dreadnought.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
I would love to get my army going and play some games but I am having to wait for the official GWNL upgrade sets and the 3rd party bits that I have ordered.
I imagine many people are doing the same, or just waiting for other kits to release that they want in their army (at least for people new to HH).
Could be a reason why games aren't happening at a faster rate around the different gaming stores.
EldarExarch wrote: I would love to get my army going and play some games but I am having to wait for the official GWNL upgrade sets and the 3rd party bits that I have ordered.
I imagine many people are doing the same, or just waiting for other kits to release that they want in their army (at least for people new to HH).
Could be a reason why games aren't happening at a faster rate around the different gaming stores.
It’s also been around for 10 years now (I know this precisely, as I spent one of my first pay cheques from my job on Heresy, and I’ve been in that role 10 years), without in-store playing as such.
Give it time and it might become an in-store staple. But despite some impressive Rubicon Plasticaris, I suspect this is still seen as a Higher End offering, one Noobs to the hobby need to build toward.
I’m not saying this to be gate keepery or snobbish. And I’m not levelling those at the Heresy Community either. But being high end cost for a decade, it think it is still largely seen as a luxury among luxuries.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
My crew is *trying* to get into it as we all have the starter box but nothing else is available. Everything we want/need is out of stock from both GW and FW and has been so since release.
That's been my biggest issue as well. I want to order the IW dread, tyrant siege terms, and a few other things. I can never find them all in stock at the same time and really don't feel like paying several FW shipping charges.
To be fair, some people couldn’t care less about more space marines with slightly different armor shapes. Especially week after week of them.
Some people, but let's be frank, not the vast vast majority of their customer base.
And certainly not anyone interested in Horus Heresy - we're because of all the slightly different armor shapes!
People play HH for the story.
Yeah, I remember back when phosphex quad launchers and other flavors du jour were such an integral part of so many 30K players' "stories".
I'm willing to accept that overall 30K players are probably more concerned about narrative to some degree, especially given what 40K has become. But let's not pretend they're all so high-minded to be above any powergaming.
Or pretend that 30K appeals to everyone (I say this as an owner of a 30K World Eaters army). Which is why GW dared to release *something else* instead of dedicating every single week to 30K.
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Toofast wrote: He must live in the only local meta on Earth where Warcry is more popular than HH. The only other option is that he's lying but we all know that couldn't be it...
It's kind of a silly discussion either way because none of us can really know without their sales numbers. However, it stands to reason that Warcry is a profitable venture for GW based on their release of a second edition plus quarterly large boxed sets to come.
We can also surmise that although the plastic kits are a godsend to the 30K community and HH was a larger release for the company...it's still not a 'third core game' on the level of 40K and AoS, based on how many kits are resin and will likely remain so. The marketing plan doesn't look too much different than those of the specialist games that some 30K players seem to think HH is so much better than...
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EldarExarch wrote: I would love to get my army going and play some games but I am having to wait for the official GWNL upgrade sets and the 3rd party bits that I have ordered.
I imagine many people are doing the same, or just waiting for other kits to release that they want in their army (at least for people new to HH).
Could be a reason why games aren't happening at a faster rate around the different gaming stores.
Yep, waiting for my IH shoulder pads to hit the stores. Meanwhile I can build everything else than Tacticals although games are still impossible because of that.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Definitely of a mood to buy more for a Fury of the Ancients list in due course, because everyone loves a Dreadnought.
I'm having great fun with a Fury of the Ancients list, but it can give away too many VPs in certain missions.
It's funny, because from what I saw and heard on HH discussions, now that Dreads and Terminators aren't paper tigers that can be killed in 2 seconds like in HH 1.0 but durable like they should be spamming them starts to be staple of 'that guy' in HH 2.0 (which is a shame as I like both of these models). So much for playing for 'story', eh?
Anyway, there is the other side of the coin - 'brutal' weapons. Now that these are the most efficient way of getting rid of the above (and also stuff like wehicles, primarchs, MCs, etc, etc) people are starting to spam them, which only further highlights how gak the whole "U"SR system is and how people defending it have 80s blinkers on. Not only is it a massive chore to decipher (especially in new HH where melee weapon can have 5-8 USRs apiece slowing game to a crawl for 5+ minutes when a new player tries to decipher what the fancy sword on his praetor does, and that's just attacks on a single model), they are single biggest source of errors (made by old players going by what the USR did in past edition, which is rarely what it does in this one) and cheating (thatguys claiming wrong rules knowing checking it would grind the game to a halt or pretending they didn't know it changed and deliberately using HH 1.0 USRs where it suits them).
Going back to brutal weapons - USR gak makes the weapon impossible to fix now that it turned out to be overtuned. In 9th edition, when weapon is too good, it can be individually changed or adjusted. In HH? All you can do is to nerf brutal (which nerfs all weapons with it, including balanced ones) or delete USR entirely, running said weapon into the ground with brutal (heh) nerf. Neither of this choices is any good. And in any case, having a ""rule"" telling people how much damage a weapon does is pants on head stupid and it should just be in the weapon profile, like in any sane system. Doing so would also let GW drop 90% of comically redundant USRs, and, if they really need to keep them, allow the system to have 5-10 really universal rules that can be memorized instead of nearly 100+ that only come into play on one or two weapons or only apply to a single army. Hopefully HH 3.0 will do what Alan Bligh wanted to do back in 2017 and finally dumps the last vestiges of gak game that was 7th edition and goes with modern ruleset that actually works, without having to put Carnifex-thick rose glasses on...
We were discussing this after a game on Saturday - turning Dread fists to Brutal 2 (or even D3) might help, but melta and armourbane need to do something against Dreads.
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Too much stuff and it needs to leave my house.
