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Kanluwen wrote: And out of the other Assassins, how many are for Traitor forces?
That has literally zero influence on product material. Could you point me to any other Traitor specific units that are plastic purely because they are Traitor? No? Wonder why that is.
Given that there has not been a crazy amount of "specific plastic release" for Heresy, you've got a point...but there's also not a crazy amount of things that do not cross over between Traitor and Loyalist Astartes, the two main factions we've seen get releases, correct?
Yes, that's how things work.
Generally, people can come up with reasoning and examples when questioned on their beliefs. Not you though.
You claimed that I think it's plastic because I think it's plastic.
Yeah. That's how it works. I think that it's plastic because I think it's plastic. That's the whole point of why I said that I think it's plastic. When the most recent Rumour Engine that someone can point to as a resin release is 2017? I think I don't need to draw you a picture.
If you want a better explanation:
There is nothing stopping them from giving you scenarios with modified FOCs or the like as a "starter" mechanism.
Then they aren't starter sets for HH, but for a different game.
A force doesn't need to be legal to get someone started for Horus Heresy. It's the rules that one really needs to learn and play with.
Something else to consider is that maybe, just maybe, people may not want to start a Legion force? Having an avenue that introduces the core of the rules without a big buy-in can draw people in better.
So yeah gonna be just as doubtful as I was when that silly rumour showed up the first time.
That does look like a MKVI riding that bike doesn't it? Leftside pauldron sticking out, rightside shoulderpad looking like it doesn't have a bevel, helmet silhouette a partial match?
That would mean we will get rescaled MKVI sitting legs in plastic, and this makes me a happy camper! (conversions ahoy)
More one-off resin characters isn't exactly news though. I dunno, something tells me this teaser is holding back most of the really cool stuff, this is just stuff we already knew about. Guessing we shall see some more reveals early next year in some sort of preview event.
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Kanluwen wrote: Something to consider is that there have been multiple, repeated rumors of "starter sets" that are not the $299 price tag of the Age of Darkness starter.
We could be seeing contents intended for that.
Would this be the starter sets where the cheapest one had just 20 Marines and is therefore not actually usable as a starter set because it doesn't even fulfill the minimum requirements for a basic force org?
As for stuff in the video being either plastic or resin, FW still exists and makes stuff for AoD. In fact, it mostly makes characters and Legion-specific units, and the majority of models in this teaser seem to fall within at least the character category.
You realize right smallest starter sets don't neccessarily give legal force? 40k doesn't. Aos doesn't. You expect hh do it?
It's starter set to the game. Not hard nose matched play tournament armies.
Think for oh...2 seconds...and you might realize difference. Maybe.
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Given that there has not been a crazy amount of "specific plastic release" for Heresy, you've got a point...but there's also not a crazy amount of things that do not cross over between Traitor and Loyalist Astartes, the two main factions we've seen get releases, correct?
You implied that because the assassin might be Traitor it would then also be plastic, a statement that isn't even remotely true to reality in any form because not a single miniature ever has been released in plastic because it is from the Traitor faction. Genuinely you are talking absolute nonsense.
Yeah. That's how it works. I think that it's plastic because I think it's plastic. That's the whole point of why I said that I think it's plastic. When the most recent Rumour Engine that someone can point to as a resin release is 2017? I think I don't need to draw you a picture.
I mean you said you thought it was plastic because it might be in a rumour engine, something that isn't a surefire classification as people pointed out. Then you just went off about how wrong everyone else was and how right you were.
A force doesn't need to be legal to get someone started for Horus Heresy. It's the rules that one really needs to learn and play with.
Something else to consider is that maybe, just maybe, people may not want to start a Legion force? Having an avenue that introduces the core of the rules without a big buy-in can draw people in better.
The point of a starter set is to give two players simple but legal armies to play the game with while they build up their collections. There is literally no point in making an altered version of the game if people are going to have to learn a different way of playing the game when they buy more stuff. Not a single game in GWs catalogue does that, at all.
Some people might not want to play Legions but the majority do. The Heresy is the pinnacle of Space Marine vs Space Marine, yes there are other forces and they can be more interesting but they also aren't nearly as popular. There isn't going to be a HH starter set (the main point of contact for new starts) that isn't Marines vs Marines.
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tneva82 wrote: You realize right smallest starter sets don't neccessarily give legal force? 40k doesn't. Aos doesn't. You expect hh do it?
It's starter set to the game. Not hard nose matched play tournament armies.
Think for oh...2 seconds...and you might realize difference. Maybe.
Yes they do.
The basic level for 40k is 1 HQ and 1 Troop. The basic level for AoS is 1 Hero and 1 Battleline. Both the smallest level sets do that, in fact the 40k one gives the Necron player an extra unit of Scarabs as well.
The irony of telling someone to not think of tournaments when you yourself don't actually know the basic force orgs is staggering.
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I’m not sure we are seeing owt resin previewed, other than Horus Ascended. I say this as we now have 6 entirely plastic HH character models, 4 of which are Named Characters.
Yes we’ve had at least two resin named characters in the past twelve months, both for Dark Angels, so what was silhouetted could be resin.
I guess time will tell.
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I suspect these images show a mixture of resin and plastic models. I would hope that at least some of them are plastic. Perhaps the Librarian (who looks very traitorous) is a generic plastic model with an alternative staff? There is already a resin Vigilator, which suggests this one is plastic.
As far as I can tell, the jetbiker could be Mk IV or Mk VI - the protrusion on top of his helmet looks like the vent on the top of the Mk VI helmet, but the nose seems to be pointy. Either way, a welcome kit (even if jetbikes currently suck in HH).
Given that plastic Assault Marines must be in the works (and they must know that they will sell very well), perhaps they are holding them back for a splashy release later (the handful of models in the video don't really add up to "A BIG YEAR FOR THE HORUS HERESY").
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Other than Rumour Engine oddities, seemingly caused by Nurgle’s Blessing throwing a snotty spanner in the works, GW don’t tend to preview stuff more than 3 months in advance.
Certainly they’ve not previewed stuff 12 months out.
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I'm curious what the fella with the big claw and metal spine will be. I don't think he's anything we know of yet, so perhaps he belongs to a lost Assassin Temple, or has been enhanced by rogue tech-priests.
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I suspect these images show a mixture of resin and plastic models. I would hope that at least some of them are plastic - perhaps the Librarian (who looks very traitorous) has an alternative staff?
As far as I can tell, the jetbiker could be Mk IV or Mk VI - the protrusion on top of his helmet looks like the vent on the top of the Mk VI helmet, but the nose seems to be pointy. Either way, a welcome kit (even if jetbikes currently suck in HH).
Given that plastic Assault Marines must be in the works (and they must know that they will sell very well), perhaps they are holding them back for a splashy release later (the handful of models in the video don't really add up to "A BIG YEAR FOR THE HORUS HERESY").
Well gw never shows every model in these type of previews so more than shown is quaranteed
AllSeeingSkink wrote: The claw looks biological rather than mechanical? Maybe some sort of chaos mutation? Or a new species?
The patterning on the claw looks a lot like the detail on the Ambull carapace.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Jetbike rider definitely looks Mk6 to me between the pointy nose, the sensor at the top of the helmet and the studded and ridgeless shoulder pad.
In which case we would have some Mk VI chainsword arms - the first step towards Assault squads!
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I suspect these images show a mixture of resin and plastic models. I would hope that at least some of them are plastic. Perhaps the Librarian (who looks very traitorous) is a generic plastic model with an alternative staff? There is already a resin Vigilator, which suggests this one is plastic.
I’m pretty sure it’s Exodus for the Alpha Legion rather than a Vigilator. I’m pretty sure now Corswain’s out, he’s the only character left with rules and no model.
lord_blackfang wrote: Jetbike rider definitely looks Mk6 to me between
the pointy nose, the sensor at the top of the helmet and the studded and ridgeless shoulder pad.
In which case we would have some Mk VI chainsword arms - the first step towards Assault squads!
Have to admit, GW first dropping these to get people buying bikes en masse just to kitbash assaulters, only to get trolled by the proper Assault squad kit later in the year, would sound like classic GW to me
Regarding the two upcoming Spartan variants, would be funny to convert those to use the LR Proteus chassis instead, just for the chibi points
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The shilloutte looks bit like mechanicus? Maybee dark mechanicus that can also stand in in 40k? That would actually be a pretty smart move, like with SM they can double dip the markets that way?
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Is there anything in the books the mystery model might be? We seem to be seeing two variants, which might suggest a squad of something.
The closest thing i can think of that this could be is the Adeptus mechanicus Mymidon destructors but dark mech?
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
lord_blackfang wrote: Jetbike rider definitely looks Mk6 to me between
the pointy nose, the sensor at the top of the helmet and the studded and ridgeless shoulder pad.
In which case we would have some Mk VI chainsword arms - the first step towards Assault squads!
Have to admit, GW first dropping these to get people buying bikes en masse just to kitbash assaulters, only to get trolled by the proper Assault squad kit later in the year, would sound like classic GW to me
Regarding the two upcoming Spartan variants, would be funny to convert those to use the LR Proteus chassis instead, just for the chibi points
Given how multi-use they've made vehicle sprues so far, I would not be surprised if jetbikes comes with a small sprue of melee weapons that's the same as the one in an eventual Assault squad.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Also wondering now HH is a core game, whether it’ll have a model for Store Anniversaries. Like a variant Praetor or similar.
Do we really need 15 Centurions(a la PriLieutenants)...????
Yes, makes much more sense than primaris.
The problem with Primaris Lts is that they fall right into the trap of "no mix and match equipment". That's the fault of the 40k "rules writers" though.
What's taking FW so long to release the HH upgrade heads? I got some MK 6 for Christmas, and the WB were only revealed last week so I know it'll be a bit before I can buy them. But they've only released the IF, SoH, SW, and WE ones so far? Not even the Dark Angels, which I think were the third ones revealed after the boxset armies?
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MajorWesJanson wrote: I wouldn't expect a melee special weapon sprue with jetbikes. I'd guess just a basic 3 chainswords, power sword and maybe a power fist.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Also wondering now HH is a core game, whether it’ll have a model for Store Anniversaries. Like a variant Praetor or similar.
Do we really need 15 Centurions(a la PriLieutenants)...????
Yes, makes much more sense than primaris.
All about the desirability.
For the most part, even when another Primaris Lt? The limited edition models tend to be something a wee bit different in post and or detail. And as High Heedyin aka “Dear Leader” of the Loot Group, there’s a helluva market for such niceties, Primaris Lt or not.
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MajorWesJanson wrote: I wouldn't expect a melee special weapon sprue with jetbikes. I'd guess just a basic 3 chainswords, power sword and maybe a power fist.
Got to have a Thunder Hammer in there too, right?
Those would probably be part of.a.special melee weapons pack.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Also wondering now HH is a core game, whether it’ll have a model for Store Anniversaries. Like a variant Praetor or similar.
Do we really need 15 Centurions(a la PriLieutenants)...????
Yes, makes much more sense than primaris.
At least with Centurions we have Consul variants that are either missing or have only been represented by Event Only models(both generic like the Traitor Librarian or the multiple Legion specific named ones).
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