Horus Heresy / 30K news and rumours. Plastic Mechanicum p. 252.

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**Albertorius**

Only thing I can see is that this is being great for bit makers.

**tauist**

Got my Sky Hunters kit.

The riders sprue aint half bad; 3 sheathed chainswords, 1 unsheathed chainsword hilt + chainsword hand itself, 1 hand flamer (very nice RT look to it! *chefskiss*), 3 volkite serpentas, 3 unique pistol holster bits, 1 empty pistol holster bit, 3 beakie heads without any side grilles/vents (one skull on forehead variant), 1 bare head with rectangular left eye bionics, 1 spare MKVI Helmet (yes, you can create a neckline and use it as yet another beakie helm variant), plus some accessories, 6 left arms in three different poses, 5 right arms in 2 different poses.. Dope

Those 3 beakie heads without any side vents are a brilliant idea actually! Now we can make any kind of side grille designs ourselves, with a panel line engraver or some other carving tool

The rider legs are odd - they have like these vents on the insides of the leg? (Not ideal...)

**Gert**

drbored wrote:
It boggles the mind, tbh.

There are a few thin threads of logic I could come up with...

With regard to your options, it wouldn't surprise me if every single one was considered. A, B, and D are definitely closer to the truth and you pretty much have it on the mark. Reducing the FW catalogue to actually make it a specialist division again, the currently available large catalogue of infantry kits (3 PA, 2 Termi, plus upgrades), and spacing out releases makes more money in the long run.

**The Phazer**

E. The FW tank kits are the ones disproportionately more likely to be returned as warped by customers, and the ones where the molds take up the most space (which we know is a non-trivial issue for FW), so GW are incentivised to move those to plastic.

The only real rumours we had was that no significant infantry kits were likely until the summer from Valrak in one of his live videos, and I've kinda made my peace with that. We still have an astonishing amount of plastic models for this game compared to what we used to have.

**skrulnik**

I've been enjoying building the kits I've picked up.
Built a Spartan, Sicaran, and Leviathan, as well as a Deredeo I had in a box.

I still have a 2nd Spartan on sprue, the Contemptor, and I want to pick up a Kratos.

Regarding Infantry, I haven't built a single one from the AoD box. The volume of models is intimidating. The number of equipment choices is head-spinning, with the weapon packs, unless you focus on a theme.

I feel like the release rate has been breakneck speed.
Having even more infantry to add to the backlog would be demoralizing right now.

But that's just my experience.
I don't expect to get a game in until after Adepticon.

**morganfreeman**

drbored wrote:
morganfreeman wrote:
Dread Master wrote:
Is there any substance to the expectation of more plastic infantry kits? Or is it just on the wishlist?

Roughly half of the legions incentivize melee infantry via legion tactics, and there are also numerous PA armored melee-oriented legion special units. Of the "core" troops choices, half of the non-Support Squad options are fully melee oriented. Not to mention that many highly popular Legions units, such as Veterans & Retinues, are specifically setup so they can be kitted out to be melee focused.

Despite this, there are basically no MKVI melee arms, chain swords, or bolt pistols. Meaning that fully half of the Legions cannot even begin to field appropriate, thematic lists.

If the new MKVI Tactical Squad box had included a sprue packed with 10-20 chain sword arms, and equal amounts of bolt-pistol arms, then it'd probably be wish listing. But as it stands now it's a no-brainer which will sell extremely well, and which a large portion of the game cannot be played without. Melee infantry are far more core to the Legions lists than 5 vehicles each with 5 slightly different niche versions. Even GW isn't dumb enough to not make them.

The only reasonable explanation for why they still haven't been shown / released is because they're being saved for a large scale release wave, probably in the form of another multi-unit box ala Age of Darkness.

tl;dr: yes, it's just on the wishlist. GW at no point have made any promises of WHAT plastic kits that they're going to update When, and assault marines, despoilers, and breachers are... still MIA from any sort of official communication.

I wouldn’t say it’s even close to wishlisting. Some form of despoiler / assault squad box, or at the very least a “melee upgrade sprue” for MKVI are inevitable. I’d be confident betting my house on it, given a long enough timeline.

Breathers, seekers, and the other more niche infantry squads? Those I suspect we’ll see, but they’re not nearly as core to the entire game, so while they’re likely, they actually are a wish list.

**drbored**

morganfreeman wrote:
drbored wrote:
morganfreeman wrote:
Dread Master wrote:
Is there any substance to the expectation of more plastic infantry kits? Or is it just on the wishlist?

Roughly half of the legions incentivize melee infantry via legion tactics, and there are also numerous PA armored melee-oriented legion special units. Of the "core" troops choices, half of the non-Support Squad options are fully melee oriented. Not to mention that many highly popular Legions units, such as Veterans & Retinues, are specifically setup so they can be kitted out to be melee focused.

Despite this, there are basically no MKVI melee arms, chain swords, or bolt pistols. Meaning that fully half of the Legions cannot even begin to field appropriate, thematic lists.

If the new MKVI Tactical Squad box had included a sprue packed with 10-20 chain sword arms, and equal amounts of bolt-pistol arms, then it'd probably be wish listing. But as it stands now it's a no-brainer which will sell extremely well, and which a large portion of the game cannot be played without. Melee infantry are far more core to the Legions lists than 5 vehicles each with 5 slightly different niche versions. Even GW isn't dumb enough to not make them.

The only reasonable explanation for why they still haven't been shown / released is because they're being saved for a large scale release wave, probably in the form of another multi-unit box ala Age of Darkness.

tl;dr: yes, it's just on the wishlist. GW at no point have made any promises of WHAT plastic kits that they're going to update When, and assault marines, despoilers, and breachers are... still MIA from any sort of official communication.

I wouldn’t say it’s even close to wishlisting. Some form of despoiler / assault squad box, or at the very least a “melee upgrade sprue” for MKVI are inevitable. I’d be confident betting my house on it, given a long enough timeline.

Breathers, seekers, and the other more niche infantry squads? Those I suspect we’ll see, but they’re not nearly as core to the entire game, so while they’re likely, they actually are a wish list.

I agree with you, the logic checks out, at some point those different options SHOULD be in plastic and in our hands.

I disagree only on a technicality, and that's that GW has not yet confirmed that we're getting those options at all, what they'll look like, or when they'll come out. Until we hear it from the horse's mouth, it's just speculation.

Anyway, part of me is excited for new things to come out as well. We've seen the Kratos, as well as new sponson and turret weapons for a few tanks (Predator esp) and there's plenty more design space in 30k for different sorts of units. GW's business isn't JUST about updating old kits, but is also about giving us new options that we've never seen before. I'm looking forward to seeing what those sorts of things might be.

After all, before the move to 2.0, we had the Sabre and Arquitor. Aside from tanks, different types of land speeders, bikes, artillery pieces, dreadnoughts, and even infantry squads and leaders are all on the table.

**TalonZahn**

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they released a giant head on tracks so they can cover their bases of releasing heads and tanks.

**Gadzilla666**

tauist wrote:
Got my Sky Hunters kit.

The riders sprue aint half bad; 3 sheathed chainswords, 1 unsheathed chainsword hilt + chainsword hand itself, 1 hand flamer (very nice RT look to it! *chefskiss*), 3 volkite serpentas, 3 unique pistol holster bits, 1 empty pistol holster bit, 3 beakie heads without any side grilles/vents (one skull on forehead variant), 1 bare head with rectangular left eye bionics, 1 spare MKVI Helmet (yes, you can create a neckline and use it as yet another beakie helm variant), plus some accessories, 6 left arms in three different poses, 5 right arms in 2 different poses.. Dope

Those 3 beakie heads without any side vents are a brilliant idea actually! Now we can make any kind of side grille designs ourselves, with a panel line engraver or some other carving tool

The rider legs are odd - they have like these vents on the insides of the leg? (Not ideal...)

It's a really nice kit, IMHO. Lots of options, and the ones that you don't use can be used for bits for other kits. The only real "problem" that I can see is that the "hood ornaments" are kinda required, because there's a hole in the Jetbike that they slot into. But hey, that's what greenstuff/milliput is for, isn't it?

**Shakalooloo**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
The only real "problem" that I can see is that the "hood ornaments" are kinda required, because there's a hole in the Jetbike that they slot into. But hey, that's what greenstuff/milliput is for, isn't it?

That, or the inevitable Chapter-specific jetcycle hood ornament upgrade packs!

**tauist**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
tauist wrote:
Got my Sky Hunters kit.

The riders sprue aint half bad; 3 sheathed chainswords, 1 unsheathed chainsword hilt + chainsword hand itself, 1 hand flamer (very nice RT look to it! *chefskiss*), 3 volkite serpentas, 3 unique pistol holster bits, 1 empty pistol holster bit, 3 beakie heads without any side grilles/vents (one skull on forehead variant), 1 bare head with rectangular left eye bionics, 1 spare MKVI Helmet (yes, you can create a neckline and use it as yet another beakie helm variant), plus some accessories, 6 left arms in three different poses, 5 right arms in 2 different poses.. Dope

Those 3 beakie heads without any side vents are a brilliant idea actually! Now we can make any kind of side grille designs ourselves, with a panel line engraver or some other carving tool

The rider legs are odd - they have like these vents on the insides of the leg? (Not ideal...)

It's a really nice kit, IMHO. Lots of options, and the ones that you don't use can be used for bits for other kits. The only real "problem" that I can see is that the "hood ornaments" are kinda required, because there's a hole in the Jetbike that they slot into. But hey, that's what greenstuff/milliput is for, isn't it?

I haven't even thought about that to be honest! I am contemplating on just selling the jetbike sprues, I only wanted the rider sprue..

EDIT: Aand you can see from the pict below that my hopes were in vain. These riders sit much wider than the cramped resin legs of LS pilots. Oh well, it was worth the shot ..

**Snord**

tauist wrote:
You you can see from the pict below that my hopes were in vain. These riders sit much wider than the cramped resin legs of LS pilots. Oh well, it was worth the shot ..

Don’t give up so fast! It would not be hard to remove the legs, trim the sides of the pelvis section and re-attach the legs so they are closer together. I’ve done it many times with Orks…

**zedmeister**

Well, the Legion Glaive is now marked as "Sold Out":

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Glaive

Considering what's been happening with the other tanks, could we be seeing the Glaive return in all plastic?

**Dudeface**

zedmeister wrote:
Well, the Legion Glaive is now marked as "Sold Out":

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Glaive

Considering what's been happening with the other tanks, could we be seeing the Glaive return in all plastic?

Now that might get a purchase out of me.

**MajorWesJanson**

zedmeister wrote:
Well, the Legion Glaive is now marked as "Sold Out":

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Glaive

Considering what's been happening with the other tanks, could we be seeing the Glaive return in all plastic?

Would be nice. Glaive and Felblade share everything but the turret, they could either combine the two into one kit, or separate out the main weapon into sprues to swap between the two kits.

**tauist**

zedmeister wrote:
Well, the Legion Glaive is now marked as "Sold Out":

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Glaive

Considering what's been happening with the other tanks, could we be seeing the Glaive return in all plastic?

Plastic Glaive/Fellblade confirmed

Oh my poor wallet..

**Snrub**

Oh god yes. This was the one super heavy that I wanted to see in plastic. MUST ACHIEVE MAXIMUM CHOOM!

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Definitely getting my Dangles one of these.

**Matrindur**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
zedmeister wrote:
Well, the Legion Glaive is now marked as "Sold Out":

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Glaive

Considering what's been happening with the other tanks, could we be seeing the Glaive return in all plastic?

Would be nice. Glaive and Felblade share everything but the turret, they could either combine the two into one kit, or separate out the main weapon into sprues to swap between the two kits.

They will probably be different kits based on the Cerberus/Typhon (Unless those are actually in one kit?)

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Potentially a single kit, looking at what they’ve packed into the Baneblade set.

**Snrub**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Definitely getting my Dangles one of these.

I'm going to be strapping a vortex missile to mine and hoping really really REEEEEALLY hard we get rules for it.

**Gadzilla666**

Still available in the US. That could just mean that they still have some left, however.

**Gert**

The Fellblade is still there so I doubt it. Plus it's FW, anything that site does is shrouded in mystery and confusion.

**Sacredroach**

Gert wrote:
The Fellblade is still there so I doubt it. Plus it's FW, anything that site does is shrouded in mystery and confusion.

That is because FW is controlled by Tzeentch and all its staff are Alpha Legion operatives.

**Alpharius**

Sacredroach wrote:
Gert wrote:
The Fellblade is still there so I doubt it. Plus it's FW, anything that site does is shrouded in mystery and confusion.

That is because FW is controlled by Tzeentch and all its staff are Alpha Legion operatives.

Totally true - can confirm.

I've resisted the Glaive due to FW's notoriously fiddly/warpy resin issues that really manifest themselves on larger models.

A plastic Fellblade/Glaive?

Yes, please!

But of course, assault infantry in plastic sooner rather than later will also be greatly appreciated.

**Not Online!!!**

Alpharius wrote:
Sacredroach wrote:
Gert wrote:
The Fellblade is still there so I doubt it. Plus it's FW, anything that site does is shrouded in mystery and confusion.

That is because FW is controlled by Tzeentch and all its staff are Alpha Legion operatives.

Totally true - can confirm.

I've resisted the Glaive due to FW's notoriously fiddly/warpy resin issues that really manifest themselves on larger models.

A plastic Fellblade/Glaive?

Yes, please!

But of course, assault infantry in plastic sooner rather than later will also be greatly appreciated.

all i want on the other hand is a kraken / combiweapons box tho

That would please me more than assault infantry. of course jumppack assault infantry is also something that is nice.

**Sacredroach**

Alpharius wrote:

I've resisted the Glaive due to FW's notoriously fiddly/warpy resin issues that really manifest themselves on larger models.

A plastic Fellblade/Glaive?

Yes, please!

But of course, assault infantry in plastic sooner rather than later will also be greatly appreciated.

I have both a Fellblade and a Glaive, and good lord was their assembly hell. The Baneblade chassis was a snap, but the minor warping on the rest of the chassis and hull took lots of heat treatments. On the flip side, the turrets are very solid and had no imperfections, nor did the cannons (well, a little warping, but nothing unexpected).

Given the size of these tanks, I could easily envision a dual kit with a Baneblade price. And I would happily buy 2 more.

**H.B.M.C.**

As the (proud?) owner of both a 100% resin Baneblade and Stormblade, I can say that I would never buy a tank that big from FW ever again*. Re-doing them in plastic would be incredible.

*Or anything from FW actually, but that's a different story.

**Gadzilla666**

*remembers assembling the Fellblade*

Yeeeehhhh.....a plastic kit would be nice. But I'd still like to see more plastic infantry (including some for the Mechanicum and SA) before going straight to super heavy tanks.

Edit: And a comprehensive FAQ that cleans up some of the rules would be nice, as well.

**Gert**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Yeeeehhhh.....a plastic kit would be nice. But I'd still like to see more plastic infantry (including some for the Mechanicum and SA) before going straight to super heavy tanks.

I'd be surprised if there were no new Legion infantry by the end of this year.
As for Mech and Aux, nobody should get their hopes up. At best Mech will see Skitarri moved out of the Titan Legions list whereas Solar Auxilia is a dead project that's kept going because FW doesn't need to clear out the range just yet.

Edit: And a comprehensive FAQ that cleans up some of the rules would be nice, as well.

I'm gonna say summer-ish, roughly a year after release.