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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Meanwhile, in 40K land.........

"All those Loyalist Marines are swearing an Oath of Moment at my unit in the middle of a battle. I must pray harder at my gun! AHH! It exploded!"

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Meanwhile, in 40K land.........

"All those Loyalist Marines are swearing an Oath of Moment at my unit in the middle of a battle. I must pray harder at my gun! AHH! It exlpoded!"

Pretty much, H.B.M.C, pretty much.........
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....................Y'know, at this point, I'm beginning to think that the 40k rules writers trying to drive CSM players into the open arms of HH.

30k seems legitimately better in every way, unless you absolutely cannot love without seeing your sm gunning down orks or something.

 morganfreeman wrote:
30k seems legitimately better in every way, unless you absolutely cannot love without seeing your sm gunning down orks or something.

I can only perform if Dawn of War replays are showing in the background...

I am at a point where I love the direction of the aesthetics for 40k (especially the new 'nids and Terminators) but have no interest in the gameplay much less force building.

But 30K...been a fan since the 1st Black Book came out (well, really Adeptus Titanicus box set from back in the 1990s or so) and will continue to be a fan. I now just have more tanks.

"Roll a D6. It does nothing." is peak GW rules writing

(Cthonia p.231)

That reads like they put the roll bit at the wrong point in the paragraph.

Lead with the bit about 10 or more models not being affected, then in the bit about nine or fewer, start with roll a d6 each time an unsaved Wound is suffered.

What's the final outcome, anyway?

 Dysartes wrote:
That reads like they put the roll bit at the wrong point in the paragraph.

Lead with the bit about 10 or more models not being affected, then in the bit about nine or fewer, start with roll a d6 each time an unsaved Wound is suffered.

What's the final outcome, anyway?

The final outcome is a reroll for the dice that does nothing.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
That reads like they put the roll bit at the wrong point in the paragraph.

Lead with the bit about 10 or more models not being affected, then in the bit about nine or fewer, start with roll a d6 each time an unsaved Wound is suffered.

What's the final outcome, anyway?

The final outcome is a reroll for the dice that does nothing.

I... what?

Given how the image cut off, I thought the sub-10 unit size would explain what happened. That's just weird.

It's the Death Guard Indictii special rule. The rule means that the lower the unit size, the better the damage mitigation save. Less than ten is 6+ and less than five is 5+. It's not a reroll.

Sorry, i was just joking

Yeah normally a rule like this would lead with "If the unit has fewer than 10 models, roll a D6..."

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
That reads like they put the roll bit at the wrong point in the paragraph.

Lead with the bit about 10 or more models not being affected, then in the bit about nine or fewer, start with roll a d6 each time an unsaved Wound is suffered.

What's the final outcome, anyway?

The final outcome is a reroll for the dice that does nothing.

Those NL rules sound on-brand & hilarious! XD Fluffy rules = best rules.

Still sad they removed the Chaos boon table from CSM codex... :(

My favourite HH thing is that Land Speeders have a Chainsword as a combat weapon which means World Eaters can swap it for Chainaxes.
Land Speeders aren't vehicles, they are chariots.

 Gert wrote:
My favourite HH thing is that Land Speeders have a Chainsword as a combat weapon which means World Eaters can swap it for Chainaxes.
Land Speeders aren't vehicles, they are chariots.

Only one chainsword and bolt pistol, split between two dudes. Peak GW rules writing.

One of the guys is driving the speeder my guy. Its literally a chariot where there's the driver and the archer/spear thrower/Marine with Chainaxe.

 morganfreeman wrote:
30k seems legitimately better in every way, unless you absolutely cannot love without seeing your sm gunning down orks or something.

Or, if, like me, your primary army (and love) is Orks, which somehow were a HUGE threat at Ullanor but never troubled anyone ever again until after the Heresy.

"Look, da humies is havin' wot we call a family crisis, so we should just give 'em some time to work it out. Then come back in, say, a thousand years and krump 'em all good."

Da Butcha wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:
30k seems legitimately better in every way, unless you absolutely cannot love without seeing your sm gunning down orks or something.

Or, if, like me, your primary army (and love) is Orks, which somehow were a HUGE threat at Ullanor but never troubled anyone ever again until after the Heresy.

"Look, da humies is havin' wot we call a family crisis, so we should just give 'em some time to work it out. Then come back in, say, a thousand years and krump 'em all good."

Incidentally you could make Militia with the right provenances into quite orky territory.

Also, since it's 7th ed based still, you could probably run the 7th ed codex. with some points changes i rekon.

Honestly the absence of orks has to do with the success of the great cursade, that they aren't a really resuring factor in the HH is a bit wierd tho.

There was a series of fan produced xenos army books made up for 30k 1.0. Had Orks, Eldar and I think Necrons. They were geared towards the 30k ruleset a bit more then the 40k codicies, so they might port over well to 2.0.

Can't for the life of me remember the dudes name. But he had actual books made up for them. Lovely green covers they had.

The game is Horus Heresy, not Warhammer 30k, so it makes sense the focus is about the civil war in the empire of man, not bothering with Eldar and Orks even if they are part of the overall setting.

That said it would be really cool to se an Ullanor expansion/prequel in the future.

There are fan-made Ork rules for 2.0 at least in development if not already completed.

Any official rules would be a big mistake on GWs part. It's the Horus Heresy, not Warhammer 30k.

Same argument was made for Space Marine (Epic), oddly enough. It was 'about the Heresy,' but wow was it better with more stuff.

Voss wrote:
Same argument was made for Space Marine (Epic), oddly enough. It was 'about the Heresy,' but wow was it better with more stuff.

You remember such ancient times? I dont mind xenos in Warhammer 40k but i do mind them in Horus Heresy.

I have no problems with games like Adeptus Titanicus to jump forward 10k years and have all the xenos fun. I would actually prefer this. If you want to jump 10k from Horus Heresy i believe there is a game like this already - its called Warhammer 40k.

 Gert wrote:
One of the guys is driving the speeder my guy. Its literally a chariot where there's the driver and the archer/spear thrower/Marine with Chainaxe.

any sci-fi game with a flying chariot crewed by an axe wielding lunatic is a game worth playing


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 Gert wrote:
There are fan-made Ork rules for 2.0 at least in development if not already completed.

Any official rules would be a big mistake on GWs part. It's the Horus Heresy, not Warhammer 30k.

actually having a "Warhammer 30,000" expansion wouldn't be a bad thing, but as its own thing

though to be honest if you have a 6th/7th or even older ork codex you can probably get by, heck even back to 1st edition with a bit of adjustment works

Voss wrote:
Same argument was made for Space Marine (Epic), oddly enough. It was 'about the Heresy,' but wow was it better with more stuff.

Different scale and game though. Epic isn't worrying about the individual Legions getting rules or the Provenances of the Militia nor is it worrying about the individual weapons of units. It's easier to balance a game when a bunch of units just had Small Arms and Assault Weapons rather than Bolters, Shuriken Catapults, Shootas, Chainswords, and Choppas.

leopard wrote:
actually having a "Warhammer 30,000" expansion wouldn't be a bad thing, but as its own thing

though to be honest if you have a 6th/7th or even older ork codex you can probably get by, heck even back to 1st edition with a bit of adjustment works

Agree to disagree. The argument for Xenos in HH largely boils down to people not being happy with 40k and wanting a better currently supported system. While I sympathise, it doesn't mean the HH setting should have other stuff tacked on just because the current edition of 40k isn't enjoyed by some.

Glumy wrote:

Voss wrote:
Same argument was made for Space Marine (Epic), oddly enough. It was 'about the Heresy,' but wow was it better with more stuff.

You remember such ancient times? I dont mind xenos in Warhammer 40k but i do mind them in Horus Heresy.

I have no problems with games like Adeptus Titanicus to jump forward 10k years and have all the xenos fun. I would actually prefer this. If you want to jump 10k from Horus Heresy i believe there is a game like this already - its called Warhammer 40k.

No one said anything about jumping forward in time. Just... not pretending that the aliens around at the time mysteriously don't exist and won't try to take advantage of everything going on.
And that the canonical, recorded battles against said xenos didn't happen - Fulgrim and the Emperor's Children, for example, were happily shooting eldar in the face around the time of the daemonsword fiasco.

Your mean the fight that occurred before the Heresy and was about Eldrad specifically trying to warn Fulgrim about said coming event?

 Platuan4th wrote:
Your mean the fight that occurred before the Heresy and was about Eldrad specifically trying to warn Fulgrim about said coming event?

The one covered by the Horus Heresy novels, yep.

The novel series shows parts of the Great Crusade to give context to the actions taken by certain characters. It's the same reason that when WW2 is taught in schools the rise of the Nazis is included. Don't be dense.

Ultimately, EPIC without Xenos will not do well - or not nearly as well as it could do with them in it.

OG AT was limited because GW itself was at that time.

Doing this either at launch or shortly thereafter as either a Great Crusade and/or Scourging game would be a smart play.

I'm concerned that doing as a HH game only will only mean that when it falters, it will be used as a "See, this scale just doesn't work!" when in reality it would be faltering only because is was hamstrung out of the gate...

*EDIT*

Oops! Wrong thread!

However, I really would like to see a "Great Crusade" expansion that would bring in Eldar, Orks, etc. into the "HH" game setting...