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Yeah the EC Rules suck massively,

>All Rites of War are limited to Fulgrim and friends (not that it matters, b/c none of them are particularly good)
>Can't use IIIrd Company Elite, i.e., the Rite of War which literally does everything this book does, but better
>New army trait actively harmful to the effectiveness of Kakophoni, i.e., the poster boy unit for corrupted Emperor's Children, and not nearly as entertaining or interesting as +1 to initiative
>Almost GUARANTEED to have weird rules interactions b/c the EC aren't technically Legions Astartes anymore

Pre-orders https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/14/saturday-pre-orders-heavy-armour-for-your-army-on-and-off-the-battlefield/

Very disappointing review for the EB book. As much as I want to run the Salamanders unit cos it seems pretty cool, the rest is a joke and the corrupted EC rules are truly pathetic.

So it seems like the Atramentar rules are exactly the same as the PDF, so they are still hot garbage.

And the new EC Rules seem pretty bad.

Hard pass.

The Battle Force though? I'll pick up that.

Yeah unfortunately a night's sleep and chance to digest hasn't changed anything. The corrupted EC rules suck and are just flat out worse than the old ones (& don't make any sense in place - less access to augments, and no speed/melee bonuses at all for a Slaaneshi force).

Wasn't expecting the rules to be strong necessarily but still gutted by the result

I'd like to see one of these new MKIII Marines next to a current Plague Marine. Anyone seen a scale pic?

Sad to hear that they went with the bizarre decision of printing the utterly unusual exemplary battle rules. On the upside it means I’m not tempted to get the book, as it seems everything actually in it is pretty worthless.

drbored wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Interestingly, the Exemplary Battles book is 'while stocks last'.

No contents page or steer on how expansive the corrupted EC rules are yet. Hopefully there are some influencers posting reviews tonight Aus time.

Based on my experience with Adeptus Titanicus, "while stocks last" means that the contents of the book will eventually be reprinted in a future compilation book.

Yeah, GW have done this with Necromunda and Kill Team. The issue is the consistency at which they do it.

For example, for Titanicus it wasn't until the game was basically done that they compiled everything.
For Kill Team, they compiled all of the Gallowdark interior fighting rules, but a lot of other stuff is still in individual books (legionaries, corsairs, for example)

So, here's hoping for some form of consistency for 30k, lest certain rules simply become impossible for fans to find after a period of time.

digtal publishing seems the logical comprimise here, run a print run of the books and then let people buy a PDF of it later if they desire

Man, I know the speculation for the pricing of the Battlegroup was sort of all over the place but 210 American kinda kills any desire I had to get it. For something like, 30 bucks more on Amazon I can get the AoD set, and have little extras if I need them.

Unless I can find this at a steep discount I think I might miss out.

BrianDavion wrote:
digtal publishing seems the logical comprimise here, run a print run of the books and then let people buy a PDF of it later if they desire

They already do digital: Warhammer Digital - The Horus Heresy.

https://twitter.com/stahly_top/status/1713570538424090869/photo/1

Here is a size comparison of old and new MkIII, along MkIV, new MkVI, Primaris, Cadians, and a MkVII Marine from the Space Marine Hero series.

Mk4 certainly needs the update a lot more than Mk3 did!

 stahly wrote:
https://twitter.com/stahly_top/status/1713570538424090869/photo/1

Here is a size comparison of old and new MkIII, along MkIV, new MkVI, Primaris, Cadians, and a MkVII Marine from the Space Marine Hero series.

Much appreciated Stahly, doing the Emperor's work as always. Am wondering how the old MkIII heads will look on the new Mk III bodies now.

The Traitor Champion Consul is up for pre-order next weekend



Sunday Preview – Explore the Ruins of Jardlan

Anyone feel like selling me one sprue of these new MKIII marines, PM. ebay sellers arent offering any separates yet, only full boxes of 20, and I just want one sprue (mainly for the bolters to give me weapon variety for my beakies, but spare bodies always find a use eventually..)

Kind of tempted by the new MKIII Praetor, just dont know what kind of head to go with..

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 stahly wrote:
https://twitter.com/stahly_top/status/1713570538424090869/photo/1

Here is a size comparison of old and new MkIII, along MkIV, new MkVI, Primaris, Cadians, and a MkVII Marine from the Space Marine Hero series.

Much appreciated Stahly, doing the Emperor's work as always. Am wondering how the old MkIII heads will look on the new Mk III bodies now.

This is from @liampaintsstuff on Instagram

That's funny, never realized before how big the old eye lenses on the vintage MKIII kit were.. I wouldn't want to go with old heads on the new torsos after all

BTW, noticed that next weeks preorders are back to lasting just one week.. mayb the GW logistic flockups are finally resolving?

beast_gts wrote:
The Traitor Champion Consul is up for pre-order next weekend

Spoiler:

Sunday Preview – Explore the Ruins of Jardlan

Great, just like 12 hours after I made a FW order they announce this. :(

So, I’m not super up to date on iconography in the newer version of Horus Heresy, and haven’t read any of the books in quite some time, but could someone tell me specifically what makes the Champion Consul a traitor? Is it just the Eye Symbol on my he belt buckle?

I’m thinking of painting up some Horus Heresy stuff for a painting project, and haven’t decided between Salamanders or Night Lords. I love this mini, but wouldn’t want to pick it up and paint it as a Salamander if it is going with some hard traitor aesthetic I wasn’t aware of.

 Sabotage! wrote:
So, I’m not super up to date on iconography in the newer version of Horus Heresy, and haven’t read any of the books in quite some time, but could someone tell me specifically what makes the Champion Consul a traitor? Is it just the Eye Symbol on my he belt buckle?

Basically just the symbols yeah, but the Eye of the Serpent was also in the old version of HH, too. Mentioned in at least one Black Book(Conquest).

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
So, I’m not super up to date on iconography in the newer version of Horus Heresy, and haven’t read any of the books in quite some time, but could someone tell me specifically what makes the Champion Consul a traitor? Is it just the Eye Symbol on my he belt buckle?

Basically just the symbols yeah, but the Eye of the Serpent was also in the old version of HH, too. Mentioned in at least one Black Book(Conquest).

Thanks for the heads up! I only ever read the novels, not the FW books.

 Sabotage! wrote:
So, I’m not super up to date on iconography in the newer version of Horus Heresy, and haven’t read any of the books in quite some time, but could someone tell me specifically what makes the Champion Consul a traitor? Is it just the Eye Symbol on my he belt buckle?

I’m thinking of painting up some Horus Heresy stuff for a painting project, and haven’t decided between Salamanders or Night Lords. I love this mini, but wouldn’t want to pick it up and paint it as a Salamander if it is going with some hard traitor aesthetic I wasn’t aware of.

I plan to replace the eye with a cog and head swap for a bionic head and use it for iron hands. Then use the head for a different IH character tbd

For those asking, I made a comparison between stock MkIII helmets, MkIII helmets with the spike cut off, the MkIII variant helmet from the vehicle sprue, and the old plastic MkIII helmet:

https://twitter.com/stahly_top/status/1713966791150522768

(sorry, can't embed pictures from twitter)

Cheers. Hm, I love the original Mk3 helm, but the new body looks better with the new helm, the aesthetic is just more consistent I guess.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Cheers. Hm, I love the original Mk3 helm, but the new body looks better with the new helm, the aesthetic is just more consistent I guess.

I wouldn't say it is the aesthetic, but the scaling. Details are a bit finer, and the helm is less bulky, especially at the bottom, giving more humanish proportions vs the older mk 3 with more heroic scaled heads.

I still plan to mix in a few of the old mk 3 helms just for variety though. And I can't wait for a couple months of new Legion specific mk iii pads and helms from fw.

I'm definitely going to mix some portion of new bodies with old heads, and old bodies with new heads. Probably do some mixing of shoulder pads too (provided that they fit/are cross compatible). IMO it will help tie the two different sets of mk3 together to see some crossover between them. I have 60 of the old mk3 and 120 of the new on the way, so I have to figure out a bit of a ratio there. I think I'm going to refer to the old mk3 as mk2.5 or mk3 prototype or something for the sake of headcanon/personal fluff.

I wonder whats going to happen with other unit types going forward though. Assault marines are being sculpted as a mk6 kit for example - should we expect a mk3 assault marine kit to come as well in a years time? Scimitar jetbikes have mk6 riders, but the riders are on a separate sprue IIRC, so are we going to get a mk3 scimitar kit as well at some point? Also still wondering how breachers get handled - I assumed that they would be an upgrade sprue ala special/heavy weapons, but with assault marines getting a bespoke kit I'm wondering if breachers might as well.

 stahly wrote:
For those asking, I made a comparison between stock MkIII helmets, MkIII helmets with the spike cut off, the MkIII variant helmet from the vehicle sprue, and the old plastic MkIII helmet:

https://twitter.com/stahly_top/status/1713966791150522768

(sorry, can't embed pictures from twitter)

Cheers Stahly, the spike snapped off + the heads on the vehicle upgrade sprues will do nicely according to these

 stahly wrote:
For those asking, I made a comparison between stock MkIII helmets, MkIII helmets with the spike cut off, the MkIII variant helmet from the vehicle sprue, and the old plastic MkIII helmet:

https://twitter.com/stahly_top/status/1713966791150522768

(sorry, can't embed pictures from twitter)

Seconded - thank you for doing the work on this one!

I'll most likely get a box or two - if I can secure them at the right price.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I wonder whats going to happen with other unit types going forward though. Assault marines are being sculpted as a mk6 kit for example - should we expect a mk3 assault marine kit to come as well in a years time? Scimitar jetbikes have mk6 riders, but the riders are on a separate sprue IIRC, so are we going to get a mk3 scimitar kit as well at some point? Also still wondering how breachers get handled - I assumed that they would be an upgrade sprue ala special/heavy weapons, but with assault marines getting a bespoke kit I'm wondering if breachers might as well.

Breachers could go either way at this point but as for the other kits, there was never the option to have other armour patterns on the resin bikes or jetbikes so I would be extremely surprised if it happened this time.
In terms of wasted potential I'm not sure it could get much worse.

Many thanks for that helmet comparison shot! The new suits with the old helmets look pretty good to me.