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I don’t think the power axes are plastic. Many of these models have been tricked out with FW resin heads etc, so the axes (which only appear on a couple of models) are most likely resin as well.

I think the Traitor units really shine here - especially the SoH and World Eaters. Although the DA with reddish bases look very nice too.

HH kits so far have been an exercise in doing the bare minimum. Even the combat shields are actually a step up from the norm for HH kits.

Contrast with any basic modern 40k core infantry sprue (GSC, Skitarii...) that's 3 unique "sheets" totaling 10 body sculpts with 2 core weapon options for everybody and at least half a dozen specials. Or, y'know, just the retired Mk3 kit...

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Same could be said of the Tacticals. Throw in the Special Weapon Sprue and so on.

True enough. Thinking about it for more then the 3 seconds I did reveals that destroyers would potentially need more. Extra bolt pistols being one, but then twin volkites too and grenade launchers/toxiferran flamers, etc. as well. I suppose they still could have fitted it on to one of the mid sized sprues.
Still a man can dream.

beast_gts wrote:There's a rumour that there's dual bolt pistols in the kit, but it doesn't match the description:

You get enough components to arm your squad with chainswords and either bolt pistols or combat shields, plus a range of accessories, and a Sergeant with extra weapons options and two heads.

Hmm Guess we really will have to wait for the sprue shots to know for sure.

It looks like the left handed power fist is in the set do that’s pretty nice. If nothing else, it at least gives some options to mix up how the tactical squad leader looks

 GaroRobe wrote:
It looks like the left handed power fist is in the set do that’s pretty nice. If nothing else, it at least gives some options to mix up how the tactical squad leader looks

I think they confirmed there are dual power fists / lightning claws. And yes, now your Tac sarge can have a chainsword and bolt pistol.

 Snord wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
It looks like the left handed power fist is in the set do that’s pretty nice. If nothing else, it at least gives some options to mix up how the tactical squad leader looks

I think they confirmed there are dual power fists / lightning claws. And yes, now your Tac sarge can have a chainsword and bolt pistol.

Ha, I originally meant that the power fist sarge could have the option for right or left, for a bit more variety. That’s even better

Two power fists! I wonder who's going to be the first one to build an RT era Gulliman..

I am liking the Assault Squad kit more after seeing these examples. The enforced chestpiece is starting to grow on me

 tauist wrote:
Two power fists! I wonder who's going to be the first one to build an RT era Gulliman..

That was Calgar. Only Space Wolves got their Primarch.

 Snrub wrote:
GW seriously missed a trick with this kit and could have really easily made it a 4 unit-multi kit. If they'd put in both left and right handed pistols we could have had destroyers. If they had non-jump pack chest options we'd have had despoilers and mortalis destroyers. An extra frame of pistols and torsos and it would have been 4 infantry kits in 1.

That being said, it's nice to see what they have included. The shields are great looking, love the mini-breacher look. Duel lightning claws is a godsend and the power axes (if they are indeed plastic) also are much needed and look delightfully chunky. I'm eagerly awaiting sprue shots

Missed it? My guess is they actively avoided it. Because making one kit for everything is less profitable than many kits and this is GW.

I'd even argue it helps the player on cost, because having four options per box would be more sprues and thus more expensive to get stuff you may not need. If I just need tactical, I'll just buy tacticals, for example.

I kinda think GW went into this knowing the HH scene is rife with 3d printing, so they're basically just hoping to sell bare bones bodies on the cheap.

Could always strap a holstered pistol and use some Tactical Squad flamers on the Assault Marines to make them Destroyers.
All the other equipment is the same, barring the Rad missiles.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
GW seriously missed a trick with this kit and could have really easily made it a 4 unit-multi kit. If they'd put in both left and right handed pistols we could have had destroyers. If they had non-jump pack chest options we'd have had despoilers and mortalis destroyers. An extra frame of pistols and torsos and it would have been 4 infantry kits in 1.

That being said, it's nice to see what they have included. The shields are great looking, love the mini-breacher look. Duel lightning claws is a godsend and the power axes (if they are indeed plastic) also are much needed and look delightfully chunky. I'm eagerly awaiting sprue shots

Missed it? My guess is they actively avoided it. Because making one kit for everything is less profitable than many kits and this is GW.

I'd even argue it helps the player on cost, because having four options per box would be more sprues and thus more expensive to get stuff you may not need. If I just need tactical, I'll just buy tacticals, for example.

I don’t think we’ve seen sprue pics yet? It’s entirely possible that the torso fronts are part of the jump pack sprue, giving them the future option to do a destroyer sprue later.

3d printing is still an insignificant minority within the hobby, doubtful GW has considered that in any meaningful way when it comes to product design and marketing.

chaos0xomega wrote:
3d printing is still an insignificant minority within the hobby, doubtful GW has considered that in any meaningful way when it comes to product design and marketing.

It's a bigger deal amongst HH players, in view of the limited range of models. I really doubt that GW has made any allowance for 3-D printing; I assume that the gaps in the ranges are simply a result of lack of resources and/or bad planning. They scurried to put out that stop-gap resin close combat sprue when they failed to include assault troops in their initial release schedule - they must have known people were turning to 3-D printers.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I kinda think GW went into this knowing the HH scene is rife with 3d printing, so they're basically just hoping to sell bare bones bodies on the cheap.

Irony is they massively kick started it with their lack of support.

When AoD released I was trying to stick with GW stock. For months I could've find good chain axe options on the third party scene. Yes they *existed*, but by and large they were out of scale or insanely expensive. Even harder to find were simple bolt pistols, as no one seemed to be selling 3rd party bits of those.

Then, about a year after release, that changed. I couldn't look on Cults or Etsy without tripping over three new chain axe models and piles of bolt pistols, not to mention melee arms to boot.

Speaking of pistols and swords, do we know if they are separate to the arms or attached?

Would be nice if they were separate (more posing options), but I'd bet they are single piece


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 Dryaktylus wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Two power fists! I wonder who's going to be the first one to build an RT era Gulliman..

That was Calgar. Only Space Wolves got their Primarch.

My bad, I misremembered that one

 morganfreeman wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I kinda think GW went into this knowing the HH scene is rife with 3d printing, so they're basically just hoping to sell bare bones bodies on the cheap.

Irony is they massively kick started it with their lack of support.

When AoD released I was trying to stick with GW stock. For months I could've find good chain axe options on the third party scene. Yes they *existed*, but by and large they were out of scale or insanely expensive. Even harder to find were simple bolt pistols, as no one seemed to be selling 3rd party bits of those.

Then, about a year after release, that changed. I couldn't look on Cults or Etsy without tripping over three new chain axe models and piles of bolt pistols, not to mention melee arms to boot.

indeed, and available for Mk2-Mk7 armour, chainswords with some 20 odd different ones in a pack, able to be mirrored to be another 20, same with bolt pistols, hand flamers, and just about every other weapon going

my Breacher teams are 3d printed, and was quite easy to swap in the special weapons.

to the point GW need to start to re-think how they do this stuff, they did a "special weapons" and a few "heavy weapons" boxes for Mk6, adding an "assault weapons" type box would make a lot of sense and if it can be done for individual Necromunda gangs it should be possible to have one or two such boxes for HH. all as upgrades to the basic infantry boxes

A melee weapon kit is literally being released next year. Do you people even read the articles?

 Gert wrote:
A melee weapon kit is literally being released next year. Do you people even read the articles?

yes, thats not quite what I meant though, not a specific melee kit, a kit with the shorter range weapons not in the special or heavy weapon boxes

the various pistol upgrades, melee weapons yes, other special equipment. such that with the basic Mk6 box (either of them), you can make basically any Mk6 body marine with parts from one of the upgrade boxes

not a box thats "now you can make unit x, y or z!" but something providing the parts to create your own units across the range

then do the same for the terminators

What "short ranged" weapons? All the Specials are in one box, the melee one is going to have Melee + Pistols.
A Tactical box is the basis for about half of the total Legion units, both generic and unique, while the Assault kit gives you another quarter.
The only things that currently aren't available or coming out in plastic are Graviton Guns, which only Iron Hands can take en-masse, and full Power Weapon options for both Terminator kits, both of which are currently in resin.

 Gert wrote:
What "short ranged" weapons? All the Specials are in one box, the melee one is going to have Melee + Pistols.
A Tactical box is the basis for about half of the total Legion units, both generic and unique, while the Assault kit gives you another quarter.
The only things that currently aren't available or coming out in plastic are Graviton Guns, which only Iron Hands can take en-masse, and full Power Weapon options for both Terminator kits, both of which are currently in resin.

the various upgrade bits to make characters? enough of the various pistol types to be useful. ideally the sort of box that can take a 20 man tactical box and make it 20 of any line type with any upgrade not currently covered.

if they get all that into the melee one then fair enough

still not seeing breachers though - I suspect that may be best with its own kit, not just for the shields but to have weapon arms designed to work with them.

have to see what they come out with, for me the delay has meant I've gone elsewhere, about the only thing I'd want is enough hand flamers for all my sergeants to carry one, and since a good few of them are plastic that would be another MkIV box and the upgrades to do it (also want some special weapons for Mk III to finish a Veteran squad with a few options) and since both of those are plastic I'd want plastic to run with them - don't have mixed 3d printed & plastic squads as they are different

hopefully a Terminator upgrade kit, well two, one for each type, is in the pipeline

then its just the various legion specific units which I'm not expecting any time soon

leopard wrote:
the various upgrade bits to make characters?

then its just the various legion specific units which I'm not expecting any time soon

Consuls are staying resin, as are Legion-specific models. Any sort of expectation for either of those in plastic is silly when we were explicitly told over a year ago that it wouldn't be happening.

enough of the various pistol types to be useful. ideally the sort of box that can take a 20 man tactical box and make it 20 of any line type with any upgrade not currently covered.

Again, seeing as we've got the various kits so far that are enough to kit out 10 models with whatever weapon of your choice, I'd be very surprised if the upcoming Melee box didn't come with plenty of pistols.

You can also currently get plastic hand flamers from various GW kits, and you can use Bitz sellers or third parties as well.

This is HH, the system founded on scrapping chest eagles off of Mk7 models. Getting some hand flamers is not that hard.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Speaking of pistols and swords, do we know if they are separate to the arms or attached?

Separate, best as can be told. We can see them rotating on the wrist.

If they’re following the same design logic as the other sets then separation at the wrist is the way. This probably means you can make special weapon assault troopers using spare tac squad arms and an unused special weapon.

 Gert wrote:

leopard wrote:
the various upgrade bits to make characters?

then its just the various legion specific units which I'm not expecting any time soon

Consuls are staying resin, as are Legion-specific models. Any sort of expectation for either of those in plastic is silly when we were explicitly told over a year ago that it wouldn't be happening.

enough of the various pistol types to be useful. ideally the sort of box that can take a 20 man tactical box and make it 20 of any line type with any upgrade not currently covered.

Again, seeing as we've got the various kits so far that are enough to kit out 10 models with whatever weapon of your choice, I'd be very surprised if the upcoming Melee box didn't come with plenty of pistols.

You can also currently get plastic hand flamers from various GW kits, and you can use Bitz sellers or third parties as well.

This is HH, the system founded on scrapping chest eagles off of Mk7 models. Getting some hand flamers is not that hard.

indeed hand flamers are very easy, I fire up Chitubox, load the file, hit "slice" then send it to the printer

GW have essentially missed that boat

Dark Emissary.


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Another pleasing bit of restraint. Undoubtedly fancier than the rank and file, but not over adorned with greeblies and geegaws and guff.

Nice mini. And a look at nu-MkIV?

I really like all of the latest Heresy characters. It's also the second (or third if you count the Alpha Legion dude) model in MkIV armour, gives me a hunch that they might get an updated kit sometimes next year

I was thinking that too. A redesigned MKIV kit to match the existing MKVI & MKIII is probably going to come next in plastic as afr as armor marks are concerned..

..which again throws a wrench into my army building plans. I originally wanted to include a couple MKIV's to the army, to denote veterans of the Chapter who hadnt gone 1st company, but discarded this idea since the 2022 beakies were in different scale. Now it seems that option will be back on the table within the next 12 months or so..

Collecting Space Marines is a bitch. Just when you think you are close to completing your "set", more stuff you want in your set appears. Its the work of Slaanesh I'm telling you!!