Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Pre orders. p.280.

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**Scottywan82**

herjan1987 wrote:
On Feait212 there is a roumor, that Battle for the Skull Pass and Island of Blood, will get reprint.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2023/04/old-world-rumors-battle-for-skull-pass.html?m=1

PLEASE can this be true. I want both of these and they cost a ridiculous amount on eBay.

**GaroRobe**

They already did island of blood once for AoS, and some 40k starters were MTO as well. The dwarfs would be small but the night goblin half would be great for gloomspite players and skaven players would love the IoB contents so both would sell very well

**Scottywan82**

GaroRobe wrote:
They already did island of blood once for AoS, and some 40k starters were MTO as well. The dwarfs would be small but the night goblin half would be great for gloomspite players and skaven players would love the IoB contents so both would sell very well

I know and I regret missing out on them then. Both are excellent sets and I am very excited for the return of Dwarf artillery.

**Fayric**

I would totally get a third and, maybe a fourth IoB box!
Even if I never even try to play a game of "The old World" I would buy loads of high elevs if they sell them.
Out of nostalgia!

I mean, Dat griffon lord! One of the best models GW ever produced.

**tneva82**

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't see why there's so much contention. It's a pretty obvious and easy thing for them to shove back into production for some easy money.

They would be nice...but problem is rumour source is about worst possible in trustworthyness.

Unless there's rumour from more reliable source then I believe it when I see it.

**Vulcan**

Fayric wrote:
I would totally get a third and, maybe a fourth IoB box!
Even if I never even try to play a game of "The old World" I would buy loads of high elevs if they sell them.
Out of nostalgia!

I mean, Dat griffon lord! One of the best models GW ever produced.

Yeah, I'd consider a couple more IoB HE sets too if they became available. I don't have much use for the wizard, but the rest are great!

**Dawnbringer**

I can see it happening, they did the old 3rd edition one for 40k, so something more modern than that seems plausible. What it would cost though is another matter.

**herjan1987**

Dawnbringer wrote:
What it would cost though is another matter.

Seeing the prices on the MTO Steel legion models, it would cost an arm and a leg. Oh and one of your kidneys.

**Ignispacium**

This makes some sense. If the rules allow, that's four functional armies right out of the gate.

The rules would hypothetically have to support smaller unit and armies sizes to make it work to that extent.
The boxes would still be good bases for building an army, regardless, if the price is right.

**NinthMusketeer**

GaroRobe wrote:
Out of curiosity, have they mentioned anything about models sculpted for age of sigmar, but that originiated from warhammer fantasy?

For example, we have some amazing new warriors of chaos. Unless they have some stormcast eternal or other AOS faction trophies attached to them, they'd fit right into WF. However, since they're on round bases, they have wider poses and I'm not sure there's a square base size thats bigger than 25mm that would accommodate them. So would they just re-release the older kit specifically for fantasy? Or make even more chaos warriors

Same with seraphon, and some of the soulblight. The direwolves and skeletons presumably make work on square bases, but the vampire lords are all massive.

That sort of ties back in the issues with scale creep, since they said WHF models will be in the same scale that they used to be in. Large WoC and Seraphon work, but I don't think everything would be compatible.

Looking back one can see the scale creep mostly happened during WHFB itself; AoS creep has been almost exclusively on non-human models (consider KO or LRL, who wouldn't be getting back-dated into TOW anyways). What people do is take the Underworlds minis, which are larger in scale across the board, and compare those heroes to some foot mook from 6th edition and go 'sCAle CrEpP!' When the reality is more like this:

Though as you mentioned and as we can see with the sword n board marauder, pose is/will absolutely be an issue. In that regard I agree with the main sentiment of your post here.

**Dawnbringer**

Ignispacium wrote:
This makes some sense. If the rules allow, that's four functional armies right out of the gate.

The rules would hypothetically have to support smaller unit and armies sizes to make it work to that extent.
The boxes would still be good bases for building an army, regardless, if the price is right.

Does anyone know if the sprues were separated by army or jumbled in? Could make a handy series of 'Combat Patrol' style boxes if they were separate.

**triplegrim**

Dawnbringer wrote:
Ignispacium wrote:
This makes some sense. If the rules allow, that's four functional armies right out of the gate.

The rules would hypothetically have to support smaller unit and armies sizes to make it work to that extent.
The boxes would still be good bases for building an army, regardless, if the price is right.

Does anyone know if the sprues were separated by army or jumbled in? Could make a handy series of 'Combat Patrol' style boxes if they were separate.

They were separate I believe. I split both the skulle pass and IoB with a friend. So most likely they were separated. As someone else said that 4 armies right out the gate.

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tneva82 wrote:
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't see why there's so much contention. It's a pretty obvious and easy thing for them to shove back into production for some easy money.

They would be nice...but problem is rumour source is about worst possible in trustworthyness.

Unless there's rumour from more reliable source then I believe it when I see it.

Faeit pimped the base size rumors first, and was right. So theres that...

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kodos wrote:
which is the same as a rumour on reddit or facebook
or the endless youtube videos with clickbait titles

Dude got base sized right recently. Also the rumor is not a far stretch. Could even be that they are split into batallion boxes.

**DaveC**

Dawnbringer wrote:
Ignispacium wrote:
This makes some sense. If the rules allow, that's four functional armies right out of the gate.

The rules would hypothetically have to support smaller unit and armies sizes to make it work to that extent.
The boxes would still be good bases for building an army, regardless, if the price is right.

Does anyone know if the sprues were separated by army or jumbled in? Could make a handy series of 'Combat Patrol' style boxes if they were separate.

IoB has 4 sprues

Sprue 1 is Seaguard, Swordmasters, Clanrats and a Reaver
Sprue 2 is HE Mage, 1 Rat Ogre, Mortar, Master Moulder, Warpfire Thrower, Clanrats inc command
Sprue 3 is Reavers, Swordmasters, Seaguard command, Warlock Engineer and 1 Rat Ogre
Sprue 4 is the HE Prince on Griffon and Skaven Warlord

No way to split those into separate armies

Skull pass

Sprue 1, Spiders and mix of Goblin Command and Heroes
Sprue 2 Shootas and Stabbas
Sprue 3 Dwarf Miners, Thunderers, Warriors, Cannon crew, Pony and Heroes
Sprue 4 Spider riders, Dwarf cannon, Troll and Terrain

Bit easier to split but still share a sprue.

Most of my Gitz army is BFSP, the single piece gitz are just better than the mutlipart ones especially the Shootas. I'd buy another set of them if available again.

**nathan2004**

I'm surprised at Skull Pass, IoB makes a lot of sense given it's popularity, previous reprint, and the fact that High Elves are out of print now. If the price is right, it might be a way to jump into OW without having to sell your first born.

**herjan1987**

nathan2004 wrote:
I'm surprised at Skull Pass, IoB makes a lot of sense given it's popularity, previous reprint, and the fact that High Elves are out of print now. If the price is right, it might be a way to jump into OW without having to sell your first born.

I remember, that after the first succesfull wave of Island of Blood/Spire of Dawn box was pulled from stores, people where crazy for Battle for Skull Pass box on Games Workshops Facebook page.

**Breotan**

Back in the day, I bought seven sets of IoB Skaven. It was the cheapest way to build out my endless horde of rats.

**Skywave**

I think I still have the High Elves half of IoB somewhere that someone gave me when leaving the hobby. Was kinda hard to get rid of too back in the day

That whole box was pretty cool, models were nice for both armies.

**RustyNumber**

Breotan wrote:
RAT-THINGS

It's... beautiful!

**leopard**

would be quite easy to re-fry BfSP or IoB and include larger bases as a simple way to get model packs out, unless they have recycled the tooling - and even if they have they will still have the CAD

unless the software means they would have to redo it all

**Shadow Walker**

DaveC wrote:
the single piece gitz are just better than the mutlipart ones especially the Shootas. I'd buy another set of them if available again.

This! I would love for those shootas to be available again. So much better looking than the current multipart ones.

**legionaires**

I'm guessing this is were GW will end up redoing Chaos Dwarves

**Scottywan82**

legionaires wrote:
I'm guessing this is were GW will end up redoing Chaos Dwarves

That would be great, but I do still hope they appear as a proper force in AoS. Honestly, any of TOW armies that can get AoS rules would be most welcome.

**Alpharius**

Chaos Dwarves would be incredibly awesome to have here and would also be the only thing that would get me interested again in AoS too.

**NinthMusketeer**

Island of Blood is hard to beat on value. While obviously very subjective just in relative terms it is undoubtedly among the best starter boxes in terms of miniatures vs price GW has ever produced.

**Overread**

It could also be argued that it was one of the worst. Because of the choice to put so many new sculpts on a single mould to keep the cost down; it also meant that after its release there wasn't as much support for those models going on individual sale.

Granted there were other factors at the time which resulted in less resources to Old World; but even when they did their big End-Times event; we still didn't see the Island of Blood models get individual moulds and releases.

So on the one hand it was great to get so much in one set and it was the backbone, for a time, of High Elf and Skaven forces. Very popular, great set.
But on the other it also held those forces back getting those models in general circulation and on their own.

**Just Tony**

My issue is that it takes a HUGE number of purchases of that set to get multiple 20 man Swordmaster units. Eltharion's rules in 6th eliminated the 0-1 which was carried over to the later army books, and there wasn't a good way to get multiple units.

**SgtEeveell**

DaveC wrote:
Dawnbringer wrote:
Ignispacium wrote:
This makes some sense. If the rules allow, that's four functional armies right out of the gate.

The rules would hypothetically have to support smaller unit and armies sizes to make it work to that extent.
The boxes would still be good bases for building an army, regardless, if the price is right.

Does anyone know if the sprues were separated by army or jumbled in? Could make a handy series of 'Combat Patrol' style boxes if they were separate.

IoB has 4 sprues

Sprue 1 is Seaguard, Swordmasters, Clanrats and a Reaver
Sprue 2 is HE Mage, 1 Rat Ogre, Mortar, Master Moulder, Warpfire Thrower, Clanrats inc command
Sprue 3 is Reavers, Swordmasters, Seaguard command, Warlock Engineer and 1 Rat Ogre
Sprue 4 is the HE Prince on Griffon and Skaven Warlord

No way to split those into separate armies

ISTR, that the sprues were double lobe? Even though it was "one sprue" it was in two halves that were easy enough for the customer to separate if they only wanted one army. However, my #1 favorite WFB army is Skaven and #2 is High Elf, so I kept both parts.

Breotan wrote:Back in the day, I bought seven sets of IoB Skaven. It was the cheapest way to build out my endless horde of rats.

Seven! That's insane. I bought one IoB and one Skaven battalion box and I thought that was a lot. I'll probably buy another IoB if they do re-release it, but I really have no interest in Skull Pass. I really like most of the Skaven that are currently for sale. The ones I don't like are the Warlock Engineers & Plague Monks/Priests/Censer Bearers. The Doomwheel, Screaming Bell, and Warp Lightning Cannon still look pretty darn good IMO.

**kodos**

yes they were double lobe, but the 1 sprue was Sprue 1+3 and Sprue 2+4
you needed to clip stuff out to share it, which was seen as the biggest downside of that box

and yes, it was a big problem that the other units never get an update, so the core box ones were the best ones available for Skaven and High Elves and Skaven still are

and the Skaven Infantry was released on its own, as those are the current available Clan Rats, but this was already an AoS release

**silverstu**

IoB looked like a great a set- the Skaven and High elf sculpts were really good. Battle for Skull Pass- the dwarfs weren't great but the goblin side looked good and it had a very nice troll..
They could do worse than release those two sets. Might be tempted for the Skull Pass stuff not so much for the dwarfs but fo the goblins.. might be able to tempt my other half into playing...

**herjan1987**

I saw this on facebook on the other day:

This project is just getting bigger and bigger, if its true.