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 Olthannon wrote:
I doubt (hope?) The Old World won't see as many rule updates as the others..

Three separate books to make one army function to its fullest? They can't balance when it's just the core and codex

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I'll take one rulebook, one tome and all rules online over this thanks.

Sure. I'm sure GW will be amenable to that.

In the meantime, perhaps be thankful that they haven't gone full Newcromunda with this yet, or even 9th Ed Index/start of AoS book happy.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I'll take one rulebook, one tome and all rules online over this thanks.

Sure. I'm sure GW will be amenable to that.

In the meantime, perhaps be thankful that they haven't gone full Newcromunda with this yet, or even 9th Ed Index/start of AoS book happy.

Will do. And if they do go newcromunda with it, then it's time to move on.

And, just to be clear, I guess screw you if you play Dark Elves?

Can't see any mention of them.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And, just to be clear, I guess screw you if you play Dark Elves?

Can't see any mention of them.

Dark Elves, Lizardmen, Skaven all cast to the AoS bin for now.

 kodos wrote:
So to get access to the full game with the core factions, I need the Forces of Index Book for the core stuff and the Arcane Journal for the Armies of Infamy
and the core faction won't be available as pdf but as e-book

Also for magic items & special characters.

 Olthannon wrote:
Dark Elves, Lizardmen, Skaven all cast to the AoS bin for now.

Lizzies and Chaos Dwarfs are getting PDF rules. No mention of Dark Elves.

And oh gak! You're right: Skaven!

 Samsonov wrote:


Anyway, I would be interested to hear from all those posters who claimed the new Old World would just be dead in the water/on life support/only doing enough to protect IP/general doom-mongering.

They likely still claim it's vaporware or comes 2028 latest.

I mean they kept claiming not coming 2024 even when gw revealed 2024...

Armies of GOOD and EVIL - wtf !!

Tomb Kings are not "evil" - they are undead....but otherwise act the same as the other human kingdoms....

This is Warhammer not LOR

Sunno wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
I doubt (hope?) The Old World won't see as many rule updates as the others..

Oh my sweet summer child.

Gw has already shown their level of support isn't as big to games beside big 2.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Armies of GOOD and EVIL - wtf !!

Tomb Kings are not "evil" - they are undead....but otherwise act the same as the other human kingdoms....

This is Warhammer not LOR

You're right. There should be four books you have to buy rather than two.

Order
Chaos
Destruction
Death

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And, just to be clear, I guess screw you if you play Dark Elves?

Can't see any mention of them.

Don’t worry if you’re more of a follower of Hashut or interpreter of the Great Plan – Legacy army list PDFs for the other seven factions from Warhammer Fantasy Battles will be available shortly after launch.

We knew they come in legacy lists since spring. Why ask what's already known?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
True enough. Feels like a case of squeeze the nostalgia until it's as dry as a tomb king. And it'll work unfortunately.

Aye. GW killed off the game, ditched the players without a care, now they're going for the nostalgia money grab. And all the ex players are like "ooh, aaahh, awesome", while drinking the GW kool aid and giving them hundreds of pounds. It baffles me.

Billicus wrote:
It's stunning to me that the rulebook is 352 pages and still doesn't have all the rules in it. I'll stick to Kings of War thanks

3 Hardbacks for the "temporary" army lists and rules? Probably over £100 in books? Then they'll release army books too?
Glad my wife said WHFB was boring and slow after playing it a few times with me, but enjoyed KoW.

On another note, are the VC, Lizardmen etc going to be in those hardback books or just a fleeting pdf on the website later?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Dark Elves, Lizardmen, Skaven all cast to the AoS bin for now.

Lizzies and Chaos Dwarfs are getting PDF rules. No mention of Dark Elves.

And oh gak! You're right: Skaven!

They mentioned TWO out of SEVEN factions getting legacy list. Any proof neither skaven nor dark elves are among the SEVEN?

Were there even 18 factions in fb? We get rules for 16 total. 9 as main, 7 as legacy.

Faction stuff was laid out pretty clearly months ago.

Yep. Which is why it's baffling to ask about faction X now. Especially as new article answered anyway...

Feels more trolling

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Armies of GOOD and EVIL - wtf !!

Tomb Kings are not "evil" - they are undead....but otherwise act the same as the other human kingdoms....

This is Warhammer not LOR

You're right. There should be four books you have to buy rather than two.

Order
Chaos
Destruction
Death

Strange hang up you have on that.


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 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
True enough. Feels like a case of squeeze the nostalgia until it's as dry as a tomb king. And it'll work unfortunately.

Aye. GW killed off the game, ditched the players without a care, now they're going for the nostalgia money grab. And all the ex players are like "ooh, aaahh, awesome", while drinking the GW kool aid and giving them hundreds of pounds. It baffles me.

Billicus wrote:
It's stunning to me that the rulebook is 352 pages and still doesn't have all the rules in it. I'll stick to Kings of War thanks

3 Hardbacks for the "temporary" army lists and rules? Probably over £100 in books? Then they'll release army books too?
Glad my wife said WHFB was boring and slow after playing it a few times with me, but enjoyed KoW.

On another note, are the VC, Lizardmen etc going to be in those hardback books or just a fleeting pdf on the website later?

I don't often agree with you, but you're absolutely right.

Tomb boys got new swarms but no new core skeletons?


So on release day there will only be Bretonnia and Tomb kings armies on the website to buy? This really will be a Bretonnia simulator TTG. Atleast give us 4 factions on release so there is some option and flavour.

 Dysartes wrote:

Cyel wrote:
Maybe TOW will get a Wahapedia page and thus the useless book problem will be solved

How about we don't start calling for the pirating of a system before it is even fully released?

*rules* aren't copyrightable and thus can't be pirated, only the specific expression of them. How about we stop white knighting corporate profit

So do we have confirmation that the three new minis shown off are all Forgeworld? I assumed so, but was curious if we knew for sure.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

3 Hardbacks for the "temporary" army lists and rules? Probably over £100 in books? Then they'll release army books too?
Glad my wife said WHFB was boring and slow after playing it a few times with me, but enjoyed KoW.

On another note, are the VC, Lizardmen etc going to be in those hardback books or just a fleeting pdf on the website later?

Well temporal as in duration of tow edition. We don't know how often gw plans to update tow editions.

tneva82 wrote:
We knew they come in legacy lists since spring. Why ask what's already known?

Do Dark Elves and Skaven follow Hashut or the Great Plan?

And you notice how all you had to do to resolve this is post a link like Kothra did, and, y'know, be helpful rather than just be ... something else.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Strange hang up you have on that.

I'm not the one hung up about complaining to have to buy books. This ain't a lot of books. We've seen what lots of books look like.

What do we think? Bretonnian set to sell out within an hour and the TK one about 4? No way with the production issues that GW will have made enough stock of these.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
We knew they come in legacy lists since spring. Why ask what's already known?

Do Dark Elves and Skaven follow Hashut or the Great Plan?

And you notice how all you had to do to resolve this is post a link like Kothra did, and, y'know, be helpful rather than just be ... something else.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Strange hang up you have on that.

I'm not the one hung up about complaining to have to buy books. This ain't a lot of books. We've seen what lots of books look like.

Three books (two of which are multiple hundred pages hardbacks) to make one army function properly is a lot. There is no arguing that.

tneva82 wrote:

 Samsonov wrote:


Anyway, I would be interested to hear from all those posters who claimed the new Old World would just be dead in the water/on life support/only doing enough to protect IP/general doom-mongering.

They likely still claim it's vaporware or comes 2028 latest.

I mean they kept claiming not coming 2024 even when gw revealed 2024...

Well, a simple reprint of 90s Tomb King skeletons and a re-release of the Bretonnia battalion box kind of proves it was a sort of vaporware. Down to 10 factions and like 4 new models (will non-TK/brets even be available next quarter?).

I like much of what I see, rules especially, but if we roll into 2025 before we get to even buy some of the 10 factions old models rereleased, I think the 2025 crowd has been fairly precise. This looks like a very limited release so far. Or do you think we'll get empire models et.al in january?

I could live with buying multiple books providing they have lots of high quality background, lots of good artwork, lots of photographs and are not updated within, say, the next 4 years minimum. Some people want books to be much more than rules, and to be fair GW have usually done a reasonable job with providing those extras in the past (by past, I have not bought a GW book in twenty years outside of Forgeworld). Of course, if this turns into Newcromunda then I have zero interest.

 Samsonov wrote:
I could live with buying multiple books providing they have lots of high quality background, lots of good artwork, lots of photographs and are not updated within, say, the next 4 years minimum. Some people want books to be much more than rules, and to be fair GW have usually done a reasonable job with providing those extras in the past. Of course, if this turns into Newcromunda then I have zero interest.

Of course that's kind what these supplemental books appear to be, plus extra rules for the army. Whereas to play the army you just need the bigger multi-faction book.

I would imagine that, say they do an Empire and Greenskin release next, that new units would be in the supplement book (unless they're not going to do new units, and that seems unlikely).

Certainly a lot of what they teased IS vaporware. Remember when they were showing off Cathay and Kislev?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:


Three books (two of which are multiple hundred pages hardbacks) to make one army function properly is a lot. There is no arguing that.

This is an odd complaint and yes you can argue it. So you need the rulebook and your army book. Two books same as most things. The Ravening Hordes books are a compendium until other army books get released..

Most people expected exactly this outcome.

And I'm not sure if "Oh no! I have to buy the rulebook!" to play a game is that strong a complaint as one might think.