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Pricing is going to be the biggest thing for me overall, especially for other armies and how those will be released. I no longer have a WHFB army, so I'd be starting from scratch.

With how many not-WHFB but GW aesthetic 3D print models out there now (especially for like Bretonnia/Empire which GW can't copyright) the prices are going to be what makes or breaks it. Can't see anyone sane spending twice as much with GW figures when you can get what are basically identical for half the price 3D printed.

That video told us all of nothing. I want my two minutes back.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
That video told us all of nothing. I want my two minutes back.

Yeah, it was a cheat. Posted it before checking - I expected it to be a full how to play explanation.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Yeah, it was a cheat. Posted it before checking - I expected it to be a full how to play explanation.

You thought they would leak the full rulebook?

Anyway we learned that Lady <removed> has 5 wounds for 225 points. Not bad. But with a 40x60 base she will be a bitch to line up with the knights.


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Also cannot wait to hear developers explain how they selected the core factions for TOW.

WorldEdgePlayer wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Yeah, it was a cheat. Posted it before checking - I expected it to be a full how to play explanation.

You thought they would leak the full rulebook?

Anyway we learned that Lady <removed> has 5 wounds for 225 points. Not bad. But with a 40x60 base she will be a bitch to line up with the knights.


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Also cannot wait to hear developers explain how they selected the core factions for TOW.

They did that already: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/23/old-world-development-diary-the-main-factions-revealed/

But, as has been pointed out, I'm sure [/sarcasm] it's only coincidental that 6 of the 7 'legacy' armies are still active lines for Age of Sigmar (and the seventh is Chaos Dwarfs, the red-headed stepchildren of Warhammer).

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Garrac wrote:
Oh, great, now my skavens will get ignored in TWO game systems instead of 1!!!!! So exciting

We're still going strong in Mordheim and Blood Bowl though!

Wayniac wrote:
Pricing is going to be the biggest thing for me overall, especially for other armies and how those will be released. I no longer have a WHFB army, so I'd be starting from scratch.

With how many not-WHFB but GW aesthetic 3D print models out there now (especially for like Bretonnia/Empire which GW can't copyright) the prices are going to be what makes or breaks it. Can't see anyone sane spending twice as much with GW figures when you can get what are basically identical for half the price 3D printed.

But buying better models in plastic or resin does not make you part of the Warhammer Hobby
And you want to be part of the Warhammer Hobby as there is no other hobby that let you paint and play with little plastic models

Or maybe some people want to get some of the stuff they missed out on previously?
Buying GW models doesn't automatically make someone insane or a simp.

Did anyone else spot that the basic warbow is now the same strength as the user? (Longbows and short bows still S3).

I wonder if e.g. Ushabti will just be S5 with regular bows?

Could also be interesting for human characters with bows getting that extra pip of S, or if there’s magic that boosts strength being used on Bret/Empire/TK/Orc archers.

Once crap was written here.

Well I would be surprised if Ushabti Bows would be just warbows considering those shoot arrows as long as a man!

Skeleton Warrios likely have those while Horsemen and Chariots would have Light ones.

I have a feeling the biggest sellers will be the books.

Have the prices on the Grail Knights, Mounted Yeomen, and Battle Pilgrims come out yet?

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:
Have the prices on the Grail Knights, Mounted Yeomen, and Battle Pilgrims come out yet?

This is around as mail order list in USD, not sure if valid

 kodos wrote:

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:
Have the prices on the Grail Knights, Mounted Yeomen, and Battle Pilgrims come out yet?

This is around as mail order list in USD, not sure if valid

If true, thats kind of what I expected for the metal models tbh. If they are charging 60+ for metal models that come with plastic horses, I expect fully metal units like the battle pilgrims to be 80-100 for the unit. Not far what the cost of MESBG models are tbh, which is why I expected these prices but still going to be quite the investment to get the handful of units I do need/want to complete projects.

Those base prices are a bit rich though, €50 for 100 bases is mad. I brought a couple of thousand for not much more recently. No wonder GW moved to having 30mm bases that no one currently makes (afaik).

Garrac wrote:
Oh, great, now my skavens will get ignored in TWO game systems instead of 1!!!!! So exciting

They get rules in tow and are getting lots of models in summer. What systems they are being ignored? 40k and hh? Well no kidding

$260 and $290 are too much. I agree with a Youtuber who noted they'll make too few boxes to start and lean on FOMO to sell the game, but it's too much overall. I think they're content just selling really old models at modern prices and letting the game drift from there.

Another detail, while the rulebook and grand army books are listed in English, French and German, the Journals are English only

Should give us a hint for the ongoing support as well

Are you sure that's USD? 85 for three ushabti?

Seems the prices are what i thought theyd be. Was already planning to skip the metal kits expecting them to be expensive. They seem likely to have a short life and it should be possible to build a decent army without them until gw eventually resculpts them into plastic.

Yikes 85$ USD (allegedly) for the metal Ushabti is a stinger for sure. But that's the only miniatures I'd be interested in with the Liche, which seems reasonable at 15$.

Pack of bases are interesting, but still crazy that we are waiting for the full release to confirm what unit goes on what. Would have been fun to have a heads up so we can start resizing thing (either full rebasing, or making trays to match the new size, etc.)

chaos0xomega wrote:
Seems the prices are what i thought theyd be. Was already planning to skip the metal kits expecting them to be expensive. They seem likely to have a short life and it should be possible to build a decent army without them until gw eventually resculpts them into plastic.

I don't think we've seen anything yet to indicate this will be the case.

 Gert wrote:
Or maybe some people want to get some of the stuff they missed out on previously?
Buying GW models doesn't automatically make someone insane or a simp.

It does. It absolutely does.

But if you can afford GW minis, the term is “eccentric”.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Spoiler:

WorldEdgePlayer wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Yeah, it was a cheat. Posted it before checking - I expected it to be a full how to play explanation.

You thought they would leak the full rulebook?

Anyway we learned that Lady <removed> has 5 wounds for 225 points. Not bad. But with a 40x60 base she will be a bitch to line up with the knights.


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Also cannot wait to hear developers explain how they selected the core factions for TOW.

They did that already: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/23/old-world-development-diary-the-main-factions-revealed/

But, as has been pointed out, I'm sure [/sarcasm] it's only coincidental that 6 of the 7 'legacy' armies are still active lines for Age of Sigmar (and the seventh is Chaos Dwarfs, the red-headed stepchildren of Warhammer).

Any chance GW brings back Chaos Dwarf miniatures in some form?

I would even pay stupid "available only at GW online prices" for them, if they would!

If they don't, there will most likely be some 'close enough' options available somewhere, eventually...

How close is close enough? Mantic’s Abyssal Dwarfs have the same energy, but you probably need 3D prints to get any closer to Chaos Dwarfs.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Seems the prices are what i thought theyd be. Was already planning to skip the metal kits expecting them to be expensive. They seem likely to have a short life and it should be possible to build a decent army without them until gw eventually resculpts them into plastic.

which was already said 20 years ago on release and again 10 years ago

Don't think it will be different this time

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
How close is close enough? Mantic’s Abyssal Dwarfs have the same energy, but you probably need 3D prints to get any closer to Chaos Dwarfs.

Good point - but I'll admit to wishing for something...a lot closer than Mantic's efforts!

I like Fabelzel's Chorfs, so much so that one is my avatar at current.

Are the Battle Pilgrims missing from the list there?