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I doubt anyone would care but I wonder if GW is keeping anything with stormcast/aos trophy bits strictly in aos?


Rockgut troggoths for example have a stormcast trophy necklace option, many warriors of chaos have similar bits, etc

 The Phazer wrote:
I can't see anyone using the metal trolls over just rebasing the AOS plastics to be honest. There's a LOT of Orc and Goblin kits to bring back and it just doesn't seem a great use of a slot.

I mean people will use whatever they want. For me, I have a bunch of the old Metal River Trolls and Stone Trolls. In fact I'm missing one of the Stone Trolls to complete my set of owning all of them. So for me, if they bring them back I'm probably going to snap the one I'm missing up right away.

It does seem silly on GW's part of actively not using the AoS sculpts for Old World as well. I mean, at the end of the day, a sale is a sale.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I doubt anyone would care but I wonder if GW is keeping anything with stormcast/aos trophy bits strictly in aos?


Rockgut troggoths for example have a stormcast trophy necklace option, many warriors of chaos have similar bits, etc

This is likely the correct reason

Luke82 wrote:
I’ve got six of the classic stone trolls so they’d have to be cheap (ha!) for me to spring for anymore, but I’d pick them over the new troggoths personally.

Edit; I must be an Oldhammer weirdo.

Sure. I’ll be using my classic mini’s too, 30 years of collecting (onnthis christmas past), I absolutely adore the stuff I own, and am excited to buy more of it.

But if people want to use new sculpts, I honestly don’t blame them. The new AOS models are stunning. But you better believe I also bought all the new models I could get for my armies as well. Those new Duke on Royal Pegasus and Paladin on Royal Pegasus are stunning. I couldn’t get the BSB on horse and foot, or the lady, but damned if im not getting them when they release. And I’ll take two units of 20 knights on foot please. I can’t wait to paint them up in unique liveries. New models are beautiful.

So I don’t blame anyone for proxying with newer, more detailed models. A stone troll is a stone troll if it’s on the right base.

drbored wrote:What else is there to reveal for Old World? Everything they're going to make is already out j/k

Though I do gotta say, the low-effort BS people are spouting on reddit 'is AoS dead?? Old World forever???' just makes Old World fans look even more insufferable.

The reality that a lot of Old Worlders gotta make their bed with is this: It's going to take a DECADE for Old World to mature. If it does, you'll see it like 30k is now, with more support and new edition and more plastic models.

If, in a Decade, nobody's playing it or buying it? Well, it'll just die again.

So if you want to keep this game around, support it. If you don't, don't.

I’ve seen the same gak from AOS fans on both Reddit and Twitter. “This game is dead because it sucks, it should have stayed dead.” Jealousy is nonsense both ways. Miniature gaming is bigger than ever,and both games will probably thrive at their intended purpose. AOS wasn’t for me. I love the models, but the game doesn’t do it for me. So instead I continued to buy fantasy models carried over. Squigs, Empire, beastmen, dwarf, and Lizardmen models.

Overread wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 caladancid wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:


My pile of shame is truly shameful. I have more unopened boxes in my apartment than most flgs in the area. For the most part, I only buy bundle sets though (starter boxes, combat patrol boxes, 2-player battleboxes, launch boxes, battleforces, etc.), which I acquire through various sources and means at anywhere from ~25% to 40% off (I know people and have kind of a side hustle that gets me employee discounts or considerable store credit, etc. at various places)., so I basically compound the discount offered by GW in the bundle by buying it at well below retail to collect massive volumes of stuff at a relatively low price, and then often sell the extras to recoup some of the cost. As such I have a lot of very large armies/collections, the downside is that despite that there are many units I simply don't own because they weren't included in the various boxes and bundles I've purchased lol. The Tomb Kings purchase is probably the first time in several years that I bought individual kits.

I've been thinking about starting a blog to do in depth reviews, scale comparisons, sprue photos, dimensional measurements and stuff like that of everything I own as an informational resource for other hobbyists, as well as to document my efforts to do a burn-down of what is probably one of the largest piles of shame in the community lol.

You know I obviously have disagreed with a lot of what you’ve said in this thread, but this is actually extremely helpful to understanding why we don’t see eye to eye. If your form of hobby enjoyment is buying boxes I genuinely think that is substantively different than someone who plays the game or paints as a primary source of hobby enjoyment.

Bold of you to assume that I don't play or paint? Having a backlog doesn't mean I don't hobby, it means that I buy at a faster rate than I hobby. Although, its true that I haven't played anything for the past year as both my locals closed down within the span of a month for altogether different reasons and the next closest gaming space being over an hours drive from me.

That said if you are buying vastly beyond your capacity to build and paint then you are engaging in a form of hobby engagement that includes an element very different to many who buy and operate closer to "within their hobbying means". Especially when you're very much at an outlier where you've vast amounts of unbuilt.

It's normal to have a "pile of shame" but at the same time someone who builds that up into a very big component of their hobby is, on some level, most likely engaging differently to a "player/painter" before collector. Esp if you're only focusing on big boxed sets and, for the most part, avoiding single model purchases.

Not really. As I said in another post, I’ve been collecting WHFB since 1993. Outside of fishing, it’s my main hobby. I spend a lot on it, and don’t have time to get to everything right away. Especially sales. I bought 3500$ worth of WHFB models in 2017 from a flgs going out of business for 1000$ cash, then after the sale he gave me the books. I gave away a whole army each to two friends that Christmas and still had more than I could use. I paint a unit at least every month, sometimes two, and I still can’t imagine catching up. It’s bad enough that when we built our house, my wife was like “you may as well just take the basement and make it a games room”. She plays too though. A bit.

The Phazer wrote:I can't see anyone using the metal trolls over just rebasing the AOS plastics to be honest. There's a LOT of Orc and Goblin kits to bring back and it just doesn't seem a great use of a slot.

Like I said, I completely get why someone would use new plastic, but I’m hyped to have a new game to use my metal models in. Giants too. And my trebuchets. Though I mat replace the trebuchets with resin models so I don’t have to worry about them breaking when I transport them to tournaments. They are the worst, but I’ll still use the originals for the narrative campaigns we do.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
I haven't found any, but I'm not exactly an expert either.

Every reference to Malekith I can find comes in one of three flavours:

1. Marvel comics (90% of references).
2. Warhammer (9% of references).
3. "There's no Malekith in Norse Mythology. Dark Elves, yes. Malekith, no." (the remainder).

I think GW made him up. Or were "inspired" by Marvel's Dark Elves in the same way they were "inspired" by Dune and Judge Dread.

I bow to the experts then.

I wound up getting 3 of the BfSP Stone Trolls in an Orc and Goblin lot so I don't have to worry about what trolls they use. I'll be holding out on plastics to see what I'll dive in on, but my main concern is tracking down older bases.

I can't imagine intentionally tracking down actual GW 20mm/40mm bases when there's so many amazing 3rd party plastic options that are just flat out better than GW. I've been tossing GW bases and using the 3rd party ones for my 6e armies just so everything is an actual consistent 20mm square and not 19mm. 40mm square are actually 40mm and not 38mm etc. All the GW bases were undersized, I hope the new bases are actual size, or the 3rd party bases come out soon

For bases printer go brrrrrr......

But yes, I haven't used a base in a GW kit for anything other than a paint stand in YEARS

Or just grab a bag of wooden 'Scrabble' tiles at Michaels. 60 for $5 or so.

Bases (and movement trays) are cheap and easy.

Or go on eBay where plastic square bases have been available for decades and buy a bag of a 100 of them for a couple dollars.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I doubt anyone would care but I wonder if GW is keeping anything with stormcast/aos trophy bits strictly in aos?


Rockgut troggoths for example have a stormcast trophy necklace option, many warriors of chaos have similar bits, etc

This is probably another reason why GW are rereleasing e.g. the metal stone trolls and 6th Ed Chaos Warriors- for consistency with not having AoS specific decorations like SCE helmets

Lord Zarkov wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I doubt anyone would care but I wonder if GW is keeping anything with stormcast/aos trophy bits strictly in aos?


Rockgut troggoths for example have a stormcast trophy necklace option, many warriors of chaos have similar bits, etc

This is probably another reason why GW are rereleasing e.g. the metal stone trolls and 6th Ed Chaos Warriors- for consistency with not having AoS specific decorations like SCE helmets

And yet they specifically don't care about not re-doing other units to fit the times of the Old World, per their designer round table (state troops as an example)

Jonathan: As for how things change over time, look at Empire handguns. We could give soldiers of the Empire older style handguns with more primitive firing mechanisms, but they’d function pretty much identically in game. So we didn’t do that because we want people to be able to get their old armies out, use them, and expand upon them without having to worry that such models are anachronistic.

from: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/02/old-world-almanack-designer-round-table-on-how-the-new-old-lore-was-written/

If the handguns are going to be out of place and THAT is fine, I don't see why they'd take a specific stand against Stormcast bits.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Squighoppers get lances though, which I'm sure were just an AoS thing.

Sir, those are called Boingrot Bounders, they are a different unit from Squig Hoppers.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
I can't see anyone using the metal trolls over just rebasing the AOS plastics to be honest. There's a LOT of Orc and Goblin kits to bring back and it just doesn't seem a great use of a slot.

Me either. They're the same models. Why would someone not use the plastic kit?

Spitballing:
-Weirdos who prefer the old kits (they exist)
-New kits don't necessarily fit on the bases stipulated in the rules for TOW
-New kits are too heavily AOS-ified (this hasn't yet been an issue I don't think. A couple of the warriors of chaos minis (knights and chosen) have stormcast helmets as trophies but those are easy enough to ignore or cut off)
-GW puts the old kits in "The Old World" branded packaging, as a result people view them as the legitimate intended model for the unit and the AoS version as an inappropriate substitute
-GW pulls a rabbit out of their hat and declares the AoS models illegal for tournament play (rioting and violence ensues)
-Cost, potentially. Insofar as warriors of chaos go for example, a box of 10 warriors from AoS will run you $60, whereas GW was in the past selling boxes of 16 of them for the same price. I expect they'll bring them back in boxes of 20 for $80, which is a 33% reduction of cost vs buying the AoS versions in the same quantity.
-Weirdos who have internalized their hatred of Age of Sigmar and refuse to buy anything with AoS branding on it.
-Sensible people who want to support The Old World to prove to GW that they were right to invest into relaunching WHFB, etc. and want to ensure that the cash flows remain strong to justify GWs continued investment and support for the game.

Long term, I imagine we are going to see some deviation in aesthetic between AoS and TOW. I am in the camp that says long term GW intends to resculpt the ranges for all the TOW stuff, those metal stone trolls for AoS will eventually be replaced by different plastic stone trolls intended just for TOW, that will be proportioned and sized and posed and styled and named differently from the Rockgut Troggoths in AoS.

 Rihgu wrote:

Lord Zarkov wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I doubt anyone would care but I wonder if GW is keeping anything with stormcast/aos trophy bits strictly in aos?

Rockgut troggoths for example have a stormcast trophy necklace option, many warriors of chaos have similar bits, etc

This is probably another reason why GW are rereleasing e.g. the metal stone trolls and 6th Ed Chaos Warriors- for consistency with not having AoS specific decorations like SCE helmets

And yet they specifically don't care about not re-doing other units to fit the times of the Old World, per their designer round table (state troops as an example)

Jonathan: As for how things change over time, look at Empire handguns. We could give soldiers of the Empire older style handguns with more primitive firing mechanisms, but they’d function pretty much identically in game. So we didn’t do that because we want people to be able to get their old armies out, use them, and expand upon them without having to worry that such models are anachronistic.

from: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/02/old-world-almanack-designer-round-table-on-how-the-new-old-lore-was-written/
If the handguns are going to be out of place and THAT is fine, I don't see why they'd take a specific stand against Stormcast bits.

But they aren't out of place. The whole point of that discussion was that they could have made the fluff determination that at the time of the Old World handguns and black powder weapons were more archaic and the old WHFB era weapons were too modern and sophisticated, but they chose not to in order to ensure that peoples existing collections could be used. The cynic in me also says that its because they didn't want to cross the streams with Age of Sigmars fusil style blackpowder weapons. Anyway, point is, those handguns are very much *in place*, because they made the determination that during this era the Empire and co are still using the same exact style of blackpowder weapons as they were 300 years later. There is no fluff to support the idea that black powder weapons in this time are more primitive or function any differently than they did in the WHFB era, etc.

Contrast this to a stormcast helmet, which might as well exist in a different universe.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:

Lord Zarkov wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I doubt anyone would care but I wonder if GW is keeping anything with stormcast/aos trophy bits strictly in aos?

Rockgut troggoths for example have a stormcast trophy necklace option, many warriors of chaos have similar bits, etc

This is probably another reason why GW are rereleasing e.g. the metal stone trolls and 6th Ed Chaos Warriors- for consistency with not having AoS specific decorations like SCE helmets

And yet they specifically don't care about not re-doing other units to fit the times of the Old World, per their designer round table (state troops as an example)

Jonathan: As for how things change over time, look at Empire handguns. We could give soldiers of the Empire older style handguns with more primitive firing mechanisms, but they’d function pretty much identically in game. So we didn’t do that because we want people to be able to get their old armies out, use them, and expand upon them without having to worry that such models are anachronistic.

from: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/02/old-world-almanack-designer-round-table-on-how-the-new-old-lore-was-written/
If the handguns are going to be out of place and THAT is fine, I don't see why they'd take a specific stand against Stormcast bits.

But they aren't out of place. The whole point of that discussion was that they could have made the fluff determination that at the time of the Old World handguns and black powder weapons were more archaic and the old WHFB era weapons were too modern and sophisticated, but they chose not to in order to ensure that peoples existing collections could be used. The cynic in me also says that its because they didn't want to cross the streams with Age of Sigmars fusil style blackpowder weapons. Anyway, point is, those handguns are very much *in place*, because they made the determination that during this era the Empire and co are still using the same exact style of blackpowder weapons as they were 300 years later. There is no fluff to support the idea that black powder weapons in this time are more primitive or function any differently than they did in the WHFB era, etc.

Contrast this to a stormcast helmet, which might as well exist in a different universe.

Ah, fair point. Guess I misunderstood what they were saying there!

chaos0xomega wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Squighoppers get lances though, which I'm sure were just an AoS thing.

Sir, those are called Boingrot Bounders, they are a different unit from Squig Hoppers.

Yes, that's what he's saying.

HBMC means that in the Ravening Hordes book, Squig Hoppers can get an equipment option only available in the Boingrot Bounder kit.

chaos0xomega wrote:

-GW puts the old kits in "The Old World" branded packaging, as a result people view them as the legitimate intended model for the unit and the AoS version as an inappropriate substitute

I think box branding is a big part of GW's decision making here. I don't agree with it at all, but I think they put a lot of weight on this.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

-GW puts the old kits in "The Old World" branded packaging, as a result people view them as the legitimate intended model for the unit and the AoS version as an inappropriate substitute

I think box branding is a big part of GW's decision making here. I don't agree with it at all, but I think they put a lot of weight on this.

Which is ridiculous for them to do so when they have made several points that contradict their separation eg:

The end times still happened

This is not a replacement for AoS

Sharing kits between them already (Beastmen, Dwarves, High Elves, Wood elves, Empire, Chaos

Very likely to see tenuous links between things mentioned in books/fluff between the settings (ie: like the idea that Settra was mentioned in Soul wars)

There are those that like both 'settings' and will exchange models and kits between them anyway

Won't be making new models for TOW when they do getting around to adding anything like greater daemons which already exist as kits that fit the old aesthetic

I think its as much to do with that as it is to do with treading carefully as to not alienate those that would collect TOW but still bares a grudge towards AoS.

Lord Zarkov wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I doubt anyone would care but I wonder if GW is keeping anything with stormcast/aos trophy bits strictly in aos?


Rockgut troggoths for example have a stormcast trophy necklace option, many warriors of chaos have similar bits, etc

This is probably another reason why GW are rereleasing e.g. the metal stone trolls and 6th Ed Chaos Warriors- for consistency with not having AoS specific decorations like SCE helmets

Baltasar Gelt had a "stormcast helm" in Fantasy Battle era, so it would not be impossible to craft one even in the "the old World"
Seriously though, the stormcast stuff littering some kits sounds as the most plausible reason what models they want to use. Good thinking.

And as some pople have mentioned, it most likely dont matter what models you use.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
I haven't found any, but I'm not exactly an expert either.

Every reference to Malekith I can find comes in one of three flavours:

1. Marvel comics (90% of references).
2. Warhammer (9% of references).
3. "There's no Malekith in Norse Mythology. Dark Elves, yes. Malekith, no." (the remainder).

I think GW made him up. Or were "inspired" by Marvel's Dark Elves in the same way they were "inspired" by Dune and Judge Dread.

But did you try a few dozen mispellings of the name? I think the only reason we know Nurgle = Nergal and Khorne = Crom/Kram/Khram is because Brian Ansell said as much in an interview many years later.

I was thinking Malekith was a Hebrew word, but the closest I could find was Malkuth from Kabbalah lore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malkuth

Malkuth means Kingdom. It is associated with the realm of matter/earth and relates to the physical world, the planets and the Solar System.

Chaos Lord on karkadrak can easily just be a Chaos Lord Daemonic Mount.

 Platuan4th wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Squighoppers get lances though, which I'm sure were just an AoS thing.

Sir, those are called Boingrot Bounders, they are a different unit from Squig Hoppers.

Yes, that's what he's saying.

HBMC means that in the Ravening Hordes book, Squig Hoppers can get an equipment option only available in the Boingrot Bounder kit.

Oh, I misunderstood. I thought he meant the current squig hopper models (for AoS) are equipped with lances and he didn't think they were usable with TOW. I was clarifying that they were a separate unit and that Squig Hoppers were still usable.

My bad!

Good luck ranking up the plastic Squig Hoppers on 25x25mm tho!

Oh my god...


I've been avoiding AOS anything like the plague so I'm blindsided by this. Did they really name those things Boingrot Bounders?!?!?!?!?

chaos0xomega wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Well I did it. Bought 4 Tomb guard boxes, 4 sepulchral stalkers boxes, and 6 necrosphinx/warsphinx boxes.

Oh no.

Now, if I could find a nice alternative set of skeleton horses, I have plans to kitbash myself 6 or so chariots from the sphinx and necropolis knight leftovers. Other things on my to buy list- 2 units of bow ushabti, necrolith bone dragon.

Hey are you running a grand army or army of infamy? Cause grand army still requires either archers or warriors I think.

Grand army, I don't see a 1+ in the super blurry screenshot I've been working from, although looking at it more closely maybe you're right. Bummer if so :/

If you change the resolution to 1080 or whatever the highest resolution is on the GMG youtube review video, I think it's a lot clearer and easier to read.

They're Goblin units, the goofiest subtype of the goofy Warhammer faction. Silly names comes with the job.

 Just Tony wrote:
Oh my god...


I've been avoiding AOS anything like the plague so I'm blindsided by this. Did they really name those things Boingrot Bounders?!?!?!?!?

Whaaat? But surely you don’t hate the Gobbapalooza or loonsmasha fanatics?!?

Goblins the faction who in Old World had a whole unit who basically were throwing balls on chains and each other

Who have a catapult that throws their own people whilst flapping makeshift wings before exploding when they hit the target

Goblins were always the utterly comical bonkers faction. If anything that they've retained that into AoS is a good thing since Orks in general feel like they've lost their Old World identity and the AoS ones feel like just the 40K ones

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
And what about chaos warriors, is there an option for "Lord on Karkadrak" for example?
Is there pics of the new range in the evil book, or will they bring back the "nostalgia" models of 2021

No. They were very explicit that models released for factions in Age of Sigmar would not have rules in TOW.

There are no Greater Daemons in TOW, so moot point on the bloodthirster. If you're using the legacy army list then.... kinda who cares? Use whatever mini you want that will fit on the specified base.

How are they releasing a daemons pdf without the daemons? GDs are integral to that army, it would be ridiculous to release an army list for daemons missing anything that came out after AoS.



I really can't see how they could justify releasing those legacy pdf army lists with very little in them...

 Hellebore wrote:
How are they releasing a daemons pdf without the daemons? GDs are integral to that army, it would be ridiculous to release an army list for daemons missing anything that came out after AoS.



I really can't see how they could justify releasing those legacy pdf army lists with very little in them...

Not sure if serious, or just missing the sarcasm tag...

Daemons had full armylists and even complete books of their own long before AoS. They also have a full range for everything that was around at the end of 8th edition.

Would an inclusion of AoS Daemons be cool? Definitely. It just will not happen anytime soon, GW has made that very clear. This does not mean you can not play Daemons with everything else - and that's what the legacy list is for.