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I just want the motorcycle helmet giant!

Just out of curiosity, has anyone who ordered the new resin Questing Knight Paladin actually received it?

It was already sold out before I could order one, and it's the only new mini that doesn't seem to have come back into stock at all. There don't seem to be many of them in existence.

I'm still waiting for the UJshabti with bow and the Liche priest to be back in stock. Chances are this new wave will sold out quickly and then gonna need to wait forever for new stock.

I already have Apophas painted up, and he worked fine as finecast so no real need to get a metal one. The Necrotect might be good though, as I never wanted to deal with that whip in Finecast before!

A scorpion might interest me too, just want to see how they improved it and I just like the model (I already have too many). Carrion are also a win here, getting an extra sculpt that match the old is do cool!

And a Green Knight too, that's a classic right there. Definitely worth picking one up!

Yeah unfortunately it's going to be a "get in quick, buy all you can before it sells out" sort of thing unless you want to buy one or two models at a time over the next few months and potentially deal with the extra shipping fees for the 'Made in the UK' metals and resins

 Return_to_Bretonnia wrote:

The 5th edition squires by the Perry twins are some of my absolute favourites. Their 5th edition metal bowmen, men-at-arms and squires are better miniatures than the mounted knights and most of the characters, in my opinion.

Agreed! My Bretonnians are mostly 5th, and they're just lovely. Only downside is, I didn't get a lot back in the day, so I've had to resort to 3rd party historicals to fill in the gaps.

I'd completely forgotten about the Squires and just came across them recently on a website cataloguing the Bretonnian range. Such a pleasant surprise to see them back in print after so many years.

How exactly do I order the Knights on Foot? Or any of the Brettonian stuff? I haven't ordered from GW in years and can't seem to figure out how to buy anything?

You can't yet, we live in the age of announcement announcements, where companies announce that they're going to announce something so you can prepare for the announcement. GW haven't put the foot knights up for preorder, they've announced that they're going on put them on pre-order. Next week, you'll be able to pre-order them.

Oh well, at least we finally have a release date for the foot knights and basic cavalry box. I feel like those 2 together will make some nice Questing Knight and Grail knight conversions

Would you rather have new stuff come to preorder unannounced without idea that something that interest you comes to preorder

I know I would hate that. Especially thanks to GW's production issues so that stuff gets sold out fast.

And besides seeing it would get spoilered anyway by retailers(retailers would need to know in advance anyway...) GW might just as well put in announcement themselves rather than pretend until preorders go live that no we don't tell what's preorders next week.

€ prices:

Especially with how terrible the new webstore is - I'd hate to have to figure out what's new that week just by browsing it the hour preorders go live. Add on to that how frequently some of the stuff goes out of stock in a few minutes... yeah no I'd much rather GW announce in advance what is going up for preorder that week.

Site does have preorders separately but yeah still would hate to have to be there on every single week exactly at noon(preorders start at noon) to check if THIS week comes something of interest for me. For most weeks there isn't. Last weekend for example was first one for me that had something I wanted to buy.

Much easier to just check at sunday article whenever I happen to have time. Doesn't matter do I read it when it comes up, 2 hours later, next day or 2 days later I still have all the time I need to secure my purchases.

As for prices about as expected. High but could been worse like foot knights 10 for 45e like many AOS/40k kits are. How much did skellies and horses cost roughly last time they were on?

A box of 3 chariots is the same as a box of 36 skeleton warriors?

you are acting like chariots are the iconic unit of that army and not just a box you buy only once....

I know these aren't 'ancient egyptian' style, but wtf are GW on with pricing ToW?

36 GW skeleton warriors for €62,50
vs
90 skeleton warriors and a necromancer for £59



I know I'll be told, "b... bu... but... GW... better". Maybe, sometimes, but those 36 skeletons are, what, 20 years old and were condemned on release as poor as well?

 Gallahad wrote:
How exactly do I order the Knights on Foot? Or any of the Brettonian stuff? I haven't ordered from GW in years and can't seem to figure out how to buy anything?

Step 1 is waiting for the day of the preorder. Step 2, open the site before ten am local time to get a spot in the queue. Step 3, once you can finally access the site again, how to Shop > New & Exclusive and scroll down past the irrelevant items to the actual preorders.

You can practice that last bit now but the Bretonnia stuff won’t be there until Saturday.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
I know these aren't 'ancient egyptian' style, but wtf are GW on with pricing ToW?

36 GW skeleton warriors for €62,50
vs
90 skeleton warriors and a necromancer for £59



I know I'll be told, "b... bu... but... GW... better". Maybe, sometimes, but those 36 skeletons are, what, 20 years old and were condemned on release as poor as well?

Not GW better, but GW the absolute dominant market force. They'll charge what they can and they'll sell out in hours.

Big yikes on those prices

So wait, GW isn't going to pay me 62.50€ for each box of skeletons I dispose for them? That can't be right.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
How exactly do I order the Knights on Foot? Or any of the Brettonian stuff? I haven't ordered from GW in years and can't seem to figure out how to buy anything?

Step 1 is waiting for the day of the preorder. Step 2, open the site before ten am local time to get a spot in the queue. Step 3, once you can finally access the site again, how to Shop > New & Exclusive and scroll down past the irrelevant items to the actual preorders.

You can practice that last bit now but the Bretonnia stuff won’t be there until Saturday.

Mind you that 10AM is launch time in the UK, and whatever time zones happen to have it as well. In the US pre-orders go up at 12 or 1PM Eastern Time. Not quite sure since I haven't paid attention in a while. Best to have an American verify the exact time.

1pm Eastern on Saturdays. Usually it's best to start checking around 1255pm Eastern though.

There just isn't rhyme or reason to these old world releases.

-The release on release day seemed quite small and very random (For example, why separate pegasus knights when they are in the starterbox in favor of some other models?)

- They said most other models would ' be available at launch, or shortly after'.

- We hear nothing for two months. (Not REALLY 'at release or shortly after' any more in my opinion, especially when you consider it's the start of a whole new game)

- The starter boxes haven't yet been restocked, but some apparently random chosen units from those boxes will be on pre-order next saturday, including the exclusive new models.

- Some of the pre-orders are in the video, but not in the article (Bretonnian duke on royal pegasus springs to mind). Others still, like the trebuchet, apparently are on flgs list but have not been seen in the article or in the video.

In my 28 years of playing GW games I have never been more confused by any other release by them 😜

Some clear statements from GW would be greatly appreciated at this point. I'm very willing to buy stuff, but find this random weirdness coupled with the scarce stock extremely off-puting. It feels amateurish.

JWh85 wrote:

- We hear nothing for two months. (Not REALLY 'at release or shortly after' any more in my opinion, especially when you consider it's the start of a whole new game)

- The starter boxes haven't yet been restocked, but some apparently random chosen units from those boxes will be on pre-order next saturday, including the exclusive new models.

TOW came out 20.1. It's barely month. So hardly two months.

Also guess they should have postponed releasing these already produced while waiting for restock for starter boxes then? Yeah that's great idea.

Hopefully you aren't assuming GW can just snap fingers and million boxes appear out of thin air

And did you really expect GW to stop releasing stuff for OTHER GAMES to release more TOW models?

Really? Nothing for 40k/aos for now while focusing on TOW?

TOW is not their main cash maker. It gets slots between AOS/40k releases. It doesn't delay main games. So expecting TOW releases every week or even every other week would be "optimistic".

your are not comparing "release" for one item and pre-order announcement for the other, aren't you?

it is pre-order next week, 2 weeks until release, so 23.03, TOW released 20.01, makes 9 weeks in between
this is more than 2 months

Wait, where did GW say this is another 2 week preorder window, or is that just an assumption based on the initial release? Preorders are typically 1 week only unless stated otherwise.

Anyway, has anyone heard of FLGS doing pre-pre-orders (Aka registers of interest)?

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Wait, where did GW say this is another 2 week preorder window, or is that just an assumption based on the initial release? Preorders are typically 1 week only unless stated otherwise.

Preorders have been 2 weeks for a few months now.

GW preorders have all been on 2 week windows since like September or October.

And the releases I don't think are all that random. Tomb Kings didn't sell as well as Bretonnia did. It's not hard to find the Tomb Kings big boxes in stock, alongside other units. In terms of production lines, they probably don't need to produce as much and are not as backlogged, allowing them to get the TK kits out as individual releases sooner.

Bretonnia on the other hand - I would guess that they are still diverting significant amounts of production on the peasant archers and men at arms into restocking those big boxes, they are particularly time intensive as each box takes 15 sprues of men at arms/archers to fulfill, and the individual boxes for these won't be far behind (iirc 9 sprues for the men at arms, 8 for archers). Knights in the other hand only require 3 sprues per set of 12, so they probably already hit their production target for the big box restocks and were able to jump ahead to solo box releases.

Huh my apologies then, I didn't realise they changed that

tneva82 wrote:

JWh85 wrote:

- We hear nothing for two months. (Not REALLY 'at release or shortly after' any more in my opinion, especially when you consider it's the start of a whole new game)

- The starter boxes haven't yet been restocked, but some apparently random chosen units from those boxes will be on pre-order next saturday, including the exclusive new models.

TOW came out 20.1. It's barely month. So hardly two months.

Also guess they should have postponed releasing these already produced while waiting for restock for starter boxes then? Yeah that's great idea.

Hopefully you aren't assuming GW can just snap fingers and million boxes appear out of thin air

And did you really expect GW to stop releasing stuff for OTHER GAMES to release more TOW models?

Really? Nothing for 40k/aos for now while focusing on TOW?

TOW is not their main cash maker. It gets slots between AOS/40k releases. It doesn't delay main games. So expecting TOW releases every week or even every other week would be "optimistic".

Relax man.....that was just my personal opinion. You make it feel like i was deeply grieving you on a personal level, which was never my intent.

When this second wave releases it will be about two months since the release of the game.

Sure, it's fine for them to release the units in the starters separately, but to people who are still waiting for their starterboxes to arrive that must not feel good, especially with the total lack of communitcations on that point from GW.

Sure, they can't make product appear out of thin air, but up until a few years ago, GW almost always met their demand with enough supply, which has for the most part not been the case these last 2 or 3 years. Once again, they're also not very reassuring or transparant to the costumers who missed out during the frantic few minutes of preodering about an estimation when the models will return to stock.

Of course I don't expect them to stop releasing other games! I really enjoyed the models for FEC en DA....but one very small release for two out of nine armies for a brand new game, from which most models were sold out in a matter of minutes, strikes me as not a great way to launch a game.

Once again, and i can't stress this enough: these are my personal thoughts on the matter, i don't hate GW and a don't expect anything from them, but i do find this a very weird and convoluted way to release a new game.


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chaos0xomega wrote:
GW preorders have all been on 2 week windows since like September or October.

And the releases I don't think are all that random. Tomb Kings didn't sell as well as Bretonnia did. It's not hard to find the Tomb Kings big boxes in stock, alongside other units. In terms of production lines, they probably don't need to produce as much and are not as backlogged, allowing them to get the TK kits out as individual releases sooner.

Bretonnia on the other hand - I would guess that they are still diverting significant amounts of production on the peasant archers and men at arms into restocking those big boxes, they are particularly time intensive as each box takes 15 sprues of men at arms/archers to fulfill, and the individual boxes for these won't be far behind (iirc 9 sprues for the men at arms, 8 for archers). Knights in the other hand only require 3 sprues per set of 12, so they probably already hit their production target for the big box restocks and were able to jump ahead to solo box releases.

That sounds very plausible, thanks for that explanation! I never stopped to think that old infantry units used to require such a large number of sprues. I banned all thoughts of having those things pile up on my desk from my mind. Would be nice for them to just tell us things like that.

I agree about Bretonnia selling much faster than TK. In my FLGS there are two TK starters collecting dust; the two Bretonnia ones they got were sold the saturday they released.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
I know these aren't 'ancient egyptian' style, but wtf are GW on with pricing ToW?

36 GW skeleton warriors for €62,50
vs
90 skeleton warriors and a necromancer for £59



I know I'll be told, "b... bu... but... GW... better". Maybe, sometimes, but those 36 skeletons are, what, 20 years old and were condemned on release as poor as well?

These are some of my favourite fantasy models of all time. Such a good kit.

Sure they got some negative reviews online from people that have no patience, all they require is for building them in batches and let the legs/torso parts dry before you can add arms and heads to avoid them bending apart before the plastic cement has set. But its not a big a deal as some people made out.

The fact they are not 'Egyptian' style isn't that much of an issue when GW don't even give you enough TK heads to build whats in the starter set without using the standard skeleton heads. Just buy a single box of TK and mix and match the parts where you can. I'll be making a couple of BIG units for TKs with this kit and I'll just use the TK banner top and a champion sword for the units.

I'll be buying a few more of the warlord games sets this year, 200 skeletons is not enough!

If only there were some kind of discounted starter box...