Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Pre orders. p.280.

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**Cyel**

Vulcan wrote:
You win battles against Dwarf gunlines in terrain placement.

He takes a hill and puts it in his deployment area? You grab a forest and put it in front of the hill. Keep the sightlines on his half of the table short or pointing nowhere near where you're going to deploy, and gunlne dwarves are boned.

I played in uncountable tournaments when I was heavily into WFB and not a single one of them allowed players to move or place terrain pieces (WE an obvious exception)

**ph34r**

nathan2004 wrote:
30x60 mm are in stock on the US website

And immediately out of stock again. Actually ridiculous.

**skeleton**

in 8the edition there where scenarios to, but no one played those.

And looking at my fiends club we will not play scenarios im afraid. :(

my dwarf army was gun and closecombat every thing you accuse the dwarfs for also count for empire, woodelfs, highelves even bretonia shooting list with stonetrowers and tombking with the female tombqking that got you posion attacks. with tow it its not so effective because you need hils to shoot with you hole unit or make a singel line.

**Alpharius**

Has there been any indication when all the printed rule books/army books will actually be available again?

**JWh85**

ph34r wrote:
nathan2004 wrote:
30x60 mm are in stock on the US website
And immediately out of stock again. Actually ridiculous.

You want to hear something even more rediculous? I've ordered the troll hag on thursday, still in stock. Got a confirmation and everything. Ordered a few more things for my budding troll horde from different places. Today at twelf noon, 5 days later, i suddenly get a mail that bassically says: 'tough luck, you're not getting it, you're not going on a waiting list, here's your money back'. By now it also was out of stock of course. I am actually so frustrated by this that all my joy about the game has been instantly sucked away.

The rules are great, but the release of the game itself has been a horrible experience for me.The rebasing, models going out of stock instantly and not coming back, some models taking ages to be released while it was said they would be released 'on or near' the release (Elisse Duchaard). It's just all frustration and little fun, and that's coming from someone who already had 3 4000points or more warhammer armies ready to play for years. :p

**BertBert**

I'm currently rebuilding my dark elf force that I originally started into WHFB with and, unfortunately, sold in my twenties. Their updated sculpts survived into AoS and are fairly moden still, so this has been a rather pleasant experience so far.

**JWh85**

BertBert wrote:
I'm currently rebuilding my dark elf force that I originally started into WHFB with and, unfortunately, sold in my twenties. Their updated sculpts survived into AoS and are fairly moden still, so this has been a rather pleasant experience so far.

Nice to hear! I found updating my 7000 points O&G a particularly vexing task, especially my squig herd, which contains everything from old Kev Adams squigs and herder pairs (on cavalry bases) to the sixth edition metal squigs, the old skarsnik and gobbla, 'the chase' and the new plastic ones for aos. I trult have no idea how to rebase thst unit and it's my favorite one.

**BertBert**

JWh85 wrote:
...

Sounds like quite the task indeed. If your squigs are already based and looking nice I'd probably opt for movement trays and make it work somehow. If you tear them all off just to fit a new ruleset that will invariaby change again at some point, it might just bite you in the long run.

**Dysartes**

What's the issue with a squig herd in TOW, out of curiosity? I haven't seen Ravening Hordes, so not sure what's changed.

**JWh85**

There's no problem with the rules, but they are now on larger bases; my unit contains many slottabase models and some thst are now on cavalry bases (old squig Hunter team models) which now need to go on a base that does not exist as far as i know (25×50mm) so that will be quite difficult to manage from a modeling point of view.

Back on topic: is anybody else excited to not be able get their hands on Ogdruz Swampdigga?

**beast_gts**

JWh85 wrote:
need to go on a base that does not exist as far as i know (25×50mm)

Citadel 25mm x 50mm Rectangular Bases exist (as do 50x50 & 50x100) - unless I'm misunderstanding you?

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**JWh85**

beast_gts wrote:
JWh85 wrote:
need to go on a base that does not exist as far as i know (25×50mm)
Citadel 25mm x 50mm Rectangular Bases exist (as do 50x50 & 50x100) - unless I'm misunderstanding you?

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Rumours about the short and far future of Old World

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So this was from the Warhammer Fantasy discord server if anyone cares to see if there was anything I missed out.

Cathay has a written army list similar to Total War Warhammer's version.

Skaven were specifically cited as unlikely to appear anytime soon for Old World. (Perhaps it's karma for my post yesterday.) The reason is perhaps the focus of Age of Sigmar's fourth edition.

Beastmen's armies of infamy include a minotaur horde and a call of the wild army, which uses magic related to the new lore included in the arcane journal.

Empire's armies of infamy include a Nuln gun army of infamy and a Middenheim army of infamy.

Various Forge World units, including the skin-wolves, firmer, gore-bull BSB and the peryton, will be returning. It was stated specifically that the chaos mammoth will NOT be returning.

Apparently, there is an F&Q planned for the arcane journals once all of them have been released.

Finally, and this one wasn't given much information to it as it was sort of muddled, but there is a long-term plan for Vampire Counts to be the first army to be made core from the missing armies. Though the way it was described it is a far-away concept and you shouldn't expect it soon.

Thank you to Javgoro from the Fantasy Discord for the information.

Of course there are...i'm just tired and wasn't thinking straight. Still a difficult job to transfer that unit though!

Now let's get back on topic.

**nathan2004**

They did say the scope of the game was changing...thanks for the rumors.

**Kalamadea**

ph34r wrote:
nathan2004 wrote:
30x60 mm are in stock on the US website
And immediately out of stock again. Actually ridiculous.

Got a whole bunch of 30x30mm and 30x60mm from Hobby Heaven in the UK a few weeks ago, I highly recommend them. Took exactly 10 days to receive here in southern CA and they're better than the GW bases that came with my Bretonnian army set

beast_gts wrote:

Spoiler:

So this was from the Warhammer Fantasy discord server if anyone cares to see if there was anything I missed out.

Cathay has a written army list similar to Total War Warhammer's version.

Skaven were specifically cited as unlikely to appear anytime soon for Old World. (Perhaps it's karma for my post yesterday.) The reason is perhaps the focus of Age of Sigmar's fourth edition.

Beastmen's armies of infamy include a minotaur horde and a call of the wild army, which uses magic related to the new lore included in the arcane journal.

Empire's armies of infamy include a Nuln gun army of infamy and a Middenheim army of infamy.

Various Forge World units, including the skin-wolves, firmer, gore-bull BSB and the peryton, will be returning. It was stated specifically that the chaos mammoth will NOT be returning.

Apparently, there is an F&Q planned for the arcane journals once all of them have been released.

Finally, and this one wasn't given much information to it as it was sort of muddled, but there is a long-term plan for Vampire Counts to be the first army to be made core from the missing armies. Though the way it was described it is a far-away concept and you shouldn't expect it soon.

Thank you to Javgoro from the Fantasy Discord for the information.

None of that is particularly unexpected, although not particularly exciting either. I wouldn't expect those rumored Cathay or Vampire Counts armylists to go anywhere for a few years at least. Beasts of Chaos used to have an all-minotaur army in 6th if you took a Doomlord general, not sure if they still did in 7th/8th. Might be a fun all-monster army for people that don't like Ogres. I'm guessing they'll be re-released old metals instead of the plastic Bullgors

ButToW still has yet to go anywhere at my FLGS, still lots of excitement and chatter in the FLGS Discord, but until more armies are out and can stay in stock for more than a weekend I have no opponents to play against. My friend is starting an escalation league down in San Diego and there's quite a few players on game nights, but that's too far for me to play in.

**Laughing Man**

beast_gts wrote:
JWh85 wrote:
need to go on a base that does not exist as far as i know (25×50mm)
Citadel 25mm x 50mm Rectangular Bases exist (as do 50x50 & 50x100) - unless I'm misunderstanding you?

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Copied from Reddit:

Rumours about the short and far future of Old World

Spoiler:

So this was from the Warhammer Fantasy discord server if anyone cares to see if there was anything I missed out.

Cathay has a written army list similar to Total War Warhammer's version.

Skaven were specifically cited as unlikely to appear anytime soon for Old World. (Perhaps it's karma for my post yesterday.) The reason is perhaps the focus of Age of Sigmar's fourth edition.

Beastmen's armies of infamy include a minotaur horde and a call of the wild army, which uses magic related to the new lore included in the arcane journal.

Empire's armies of infamy include a Nuln gun army of infamy and a Middenheim army of infamy.

Various Forge World units, including the skin-wolves, firmer, gore-bull BSB and the peryton, will be returning. It was stated specifically that the chaos mammoth will NOT be returning.

Apparently, there is an F&Q planned for the arcane journals once all of them have been released.

Finally, and this one wasn't given much information to it as it was sort of muddled, but there is a long-term plan for Vampire Counts to be the first army to be made core from the missing armies. Though the way it was described it is a far-away concept and you shouldn't expect it soon.

Thank you to Javgoro from the Fantasy Discord for the information.

Rumors seem unlikely, if only because GW's come out and said there aren't any plans for Cathay or Kislev at the moment.

**chaos0xomega**

nathan2004 wrote:
They did say the scope of the game was changing...thanks for the rumors.

Not changing, growing.

Laughing Man wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
JWh85 wrote:
need to go on a base that does not exist as far as i know (25×50mm)
Citadel 25mm x 50mm Rectangular Bases exist (as do 50x50 & 50x100) - unless I'm misunderstanding you?

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Copied from Reddit:

Rumours about the short and far future of Old World

Spoiler:

So this was from the Warhammer Fantasy discord server if anyone cares to see if there was anything I missed out.

Cathay has a written army list similar to Total War Warhammer's version.

Skaven were specifically cited as unlikely to appear anytime soon for Old World. (Perhaps it's karma for my post yesterday.) The reason is perhaps the focus of Age of Sigmar's fourth edition.

Beastmen's armies of infamy include a minotaur horde and a call of the wild army, which uses magic related to the new lore included in the arcane journal.

Empire's armies of infamy include a Nuln gun army of infamy and a Middenheim army of infamy.

Various Forge World units, including the skin-wolves, firmer, gore-bull BSB and the peryton, will be returning. It was stated specifically that the chaos mammoth will NOT be returning.

Apparently, there is an F&Q planned for the arcane journals once all of them have been released.

Finally, and this one wasn't given much information to it as it was sort of muddled, but there is a long-term plan for Vampire Counts to be the first army to be made core from the missing armies. Though the way it was described it is a far-away concept and you shouldn't expect it soon.

Thank you to Javgoro from the Fantasy Discord for the information.

Rumors seem unlikely, if only because GW's come out and said there aren't any plans for Cathay or Kislev at the moment.

My guess is when they said the scope grew, they meant they got permission to invest into developing Kislev/Cathay.

**Vulcan**

Cyel wrote:
Vulcan wrote:
You win battles against Dwarf gunlines in terrain placement.

He takes a hill and puts it in his deployment area? You grab a forest and put it in front of the hill. Keep the sightlines on his half of the table short or pointing nowhere near where you're going to deploy, and gunlne dwarves are boned.

I played in uncountable tournaments when I was heavily into WFB and not a single one of them allowed players to move or place terrain pieces (WE an obvious exception)

So you never, ever play casually in a game store? It's always in some form of tournament?

In a tournament I'd expect to face nothing but WAAC lists, and to me that's no fun at all. If that's your jam, go, play, have a blast; I won't be there.

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JWh85 wrote:
BertBert wrote:
I'm currently rebuilding my dark elf force that I originally started into WHFB with and, unfortunately, sold in my twenties. Their updated sculpts survived into AoS and are fairly moden still, so this has been a rather pleasant experience so far.

Nice to hear! I found updating my 7000 points O&G a particularly vexing task, especially my squig herd, which contains everything from old Kev Adams squigs and herder pairs (on cavalry bases) to the sixth edition metal squigs, the old skarsnik and gobbla, 'the chase' and the new plastic ones for aos. I trult have no idea how to rebase thst unit and it's my favorite one.

Try 7000 points of Skaven (including slaves) and 15,000 points of Dark Elves. Add 7000 in Brets and Dwarves, and somewhere around 5000 in Lizardmen, and no, I'm NOT rebasing for TOW, thank you very much....

**ccs**

Vulcan wrote:
You win battles against Dwarf gunlines in terrain placement.

He takes a hill and puts it in his deployment area? You grab a forest and put it in front of the hill. Keep the sightlines on his half of the table short or pointing nowhere near where you're going to deploy, and gunlne dwarves are boned.

Crap like that is why we always set the terrain before determining deployment zones.

**JWh85**

Vulcan wrote:
Cyel wrote:
Vulcan wrote:
You win battles against Dwarf gunlines in terrain placement.

He takes a hill and puts it in his deployment area? You grab a forest and put it in front of the hill. Keep the sightlines on his half of the table short or pointing nowhere near where you're going to deploy, and gunlne dwarves are boned.

I played in uncountable tournaments when I was heavily into WFB and not a single one of them allowed players to move or place terrain pieces (WE an obvious exception)

So you never, ever play casually in a game store? It's always in some form of tournament?

In a tournament I'd expect to face nothing but WAAC lists, and to me that's no fun at all. If that's your jam, go, play, have a blast; I won't be there.

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JWh85 wrote:
BertBert wrote:
I'm currently rebuilding my dark elf force that I originally started into WHFB with and, unfortunately, sold in my twenties. Their updated sculpts survived into AoS and are fairly moden still, so this has been a rather pleasant experience so far.

Nice to hear! I found updating my 7000 points O&G a particularly vexing task, especially my squig herd, which contains everything from old Kev Adams squigs and herder pairs (on cavalry bases) to the sixth edition metal squigs, the old skarsnik and gobbla, 'the chase' and the new plastic ones for aos. I trult have no idea how to rebase thst unit and it's my favorite one.

Try 7000 points of Skaven (including slaves) and 15,000 points of Dark Elves. Add 7000 in Brets and Dwarves, and somewhere around 5000 in Lizardmen, and no, I'm NOT rebasing for TOW, thank you very much....

O man..7000 points of skaven rebasing would indeed be a nightmare! Next to the 7000 O&G i have about the same for Empire, about 6000 in Ogres (wouldn't be the worst to rebase though), 6000 Dark Elves and about 5000 in Beastmen hidden somewhere. I'll just be rebasing my O&G though i think. Apart from the Dark Elves overlap our armies put together almost run the gamut though.

**kodos**

the one thing that is strange about the rumours being that the Journal FAQ is set for when all Journals are released
not like there are a lot of questions about the Journals as the main disputes are all from the core books, but even if points needed to be cleared up why the need to wait for the last Journal to be out to answer questions for the first ones

for the other points, the original discord rumour is a little different than what is written on Reddit
As for Skaven it was written "Skaven are getting binned with 2nd Edition" (with other misunderstandings like F&Q instead of FAQ it is likely are binned and not get binned, so returning with 2nd Edi)
and that there will be a Vampire Count Mousillon army

and there was a discussion if Cathy Army Book and 2nd Edition means an update after the Journals are out in 2025/2026 while other claimed 2029 as earliest date

**Cyel**

Vulcan wrote:

So you never, ever play casually in a game store? It's always in some form of tournament?

In a tournament I'd expect to face nothing but WAAC lists, and to me that's no fun at all. If that's your jam, go, play, have a blast; I won't be there.

I never understood this culture of playing in stores, it's probably the worst place I can imagine to play in. Home, club, tournament beat it every time. And even in those non-tournament situations the go-to terrain solution was to ask a third party to set up terrain. Tailoring terrain feels pretty wrong to me and it goes for any system I play.

**lord_blackfang**

I too am not quite sure how the concepts of a casual pickup game and competitive LOS blocking terrain placement are supposed to coexist on a table.

**Sathrut**

Whitefang on TGA forum (excellent track record for rumours when it comes to AoS) said this:

**Overread**

Honestly I still maintain that its a smart move on GW's front. IF they released 2 brand new totally modern model lines they'd have no chance releasing the classic models they are now.

And chances are they couldn't swing a budget for ALL the factions to be re-done at once. Plus they've likely had loads of messages from old fans who just want old classic models.

So ride that nostalgia train early - get the game up and running and then hit the market with full new armies.

**skeleton**

I have one herder thats on a 20 x 40 base , but i use adapter movement trays and i made a slot he will fit in, i do print my movement trays my self so i can easy modify the trays. im starting a new beastmen and highelves army that will go on the selfmade bases becaus i don't like the look of the gw basese. for my dwarfs i am now printing new bases because i didnt like the old green bases annymore.

**JWh85**

Overread wrote:
Honestly I still maintain that its a smart move on GW's front. IF they released 2 brand new totally modern model lines they'd have no chance releasing the classic models they are now.

And chances are they couldn't swing a budget for ALL the factions to be re-done at once. Plus they've likely had loads of messages from old fans who just want old classic models.

So ride that nostalgia train early - get the game up and running and then hit the market with full new armies.

To ride that nostalgia train people need to have access to the product in the first place though. :p
I've not been able te get my hands on any of the new things that aren't plastic at all and i also haven't been able to procure any of the re-released stuff that i wanted. Even getting the books proved to be quite a task.
And i consider myself a somewhat enfranchised player; i can't imagine what someone most be thinking who is beginning their GW career with this game! (I know it's not meant for new players, but still).

I think the order of priority for GW should be:

- fix your production size
- release the 9 nostalgia armies (which, atmittedly, make me feel 12 again)
- do all the cool new stuff.

**Grail Seeker**

I do believe they are already in the process of spinning up a new production facility.

Its just not something that can happen quickly. It takes time to expand operations.

**Belthanos**

Supposedly vampires first legends army to return though not in hurry.

**lord_blackfang**

Overread wrote:
Honestly I still maintain that its a smart move on GW's front. IF they released 2 brand new totally modern model lines they'd have no chance releasing the classic models they are now.

Eh big disagree there, people buying 90s fantasy models today are clearly unaffected by the thousands of better models that exist, a few more won't do anything.

**Mentlegen324**

kodos wrote:
the one thing that is strange about the rumours being that the Journal FAQ is set for when all Journals are released
not like there are a lot of questions about the Journals as the main disputes are all from the core books, but even if points needed to be cleared up why the need to wait for the last Journal to be out to answer questions for the first ones

for the other points, the original discord rumour is a little different than what is written on Reddit
As for Skaven it was written "Skaven are getting binned with 2nd Edition" (with other misunderstandings like F&Q instead of FAQ it is likely are binned and not get binned, so returning with 2nd Edi)
and that there will be a Vampire Count Mousillon army

and there was a discussion if Cathy Army Book and 2nd Edition means an update after the Journals are out in 2025/2026 while other claimed 2029 as earliest date

Belthanos wrote:
Supposedly vampires first legends army to return though not in hurry.

What rumours are these?

I can't see them mentioned on this page or previous?