Legions Imperialis news and rumors. Tallarn campsign book. p.237

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**Strg Alt**

gorgon wrote:
Way I see it, there are two scenarios with xenos Titans - 1) what those rules would look like in a new Epic game, and 2) what those rules would look like in AT.

For a slew of reasons, a new but classic style Epic game would have to handle Titans in a much more simplified way than what we see in AT. AT is awesome for simulating Titan battles, but doesn't really even handle Knights well, let alone infantry and tanks and planes and a greater number of units on the tabletop. Starting over with streamlined and separate Titan rules for Epic would probably make it easier to add xenos without creating new issues.

On the other hand, AT as it currently exists is built around more detailed Titan management, and the template is obviously Imperial Titans. As people have pointed out, Orks would be an easy add. They'd fit nicely into the system -- reactors, shields, structure points, etc. (and could be fleshed out nicely with maybe 4 kits and some FW accessories/upgrades). Ork Titans seem like a layup for GW and something that should happen.

GW's conceptual approach with Eldar (and Elves I suppose) in games has been to emphasize speed and make them more fragile but harder to hit, etc. And this track record is a little spotty IMO, as in other games the end result tends to be that they're either over- or underpowered. Or just oddly balanced where they become very rock/paper/scissors. It could be done, but would have to be done thoughtfully, and that might start with not making them too different for the sake of being different. Maybe the best approach for xenos like Eldar, Tyranids, etc. would be to identify a single game component -- shields, structure points, reactor, etc -- that behaves differently for that given faction. That way you're not introducing too many new variables to the Imperial-centric system.

Knights will get a saving throw and maybe an invulnerable save. That´s it. Titans need a proper damage chart with locations. Anything else dumbs down the appeal of the titan.

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Tsagualsa wrote:
semajnollissor wrote:
Some people have more money than time, others have more time than money. I find that is usually the dividing line between 3D printer users and those who aren't 3D printing

3d printing of the at-home variety is a whole new hobby in itself, with a significant buy in both in monetary costs and time and space needs - you need to do research, decide which type and model of printer and printing process to use, need to source it an raw materials, set all of this up, develop your personal workflow for printing, cleaning, waste disposal and so on, and need to avail yourself of printable files and so on. Not everybody wants to develop a completely new hobby to facilitate their original one

Agreed. I was on the fence about purchasing a printer although I couldn´t afford to turn one of my living rooms into a laboratory with all the fumes and chemicals being present. So nope. However the third party retailer may really help you out. I need to see, if I can get such stuff in Germany.

**Malika2**

I know MegaSonicPunch sells a lot of 3d printed designs that are in Titanicus scale and he’s based in Germany.

**Sarouan**

At this point, this thread should be renamed "Valrak's Epic Circus". It would be more accurate.

To be honest, there's really nothing concrete about GW announcing a real Epic return in the near future, just hopes and dust.

**SamusDrake**

I'm assuming they'll show the game line up for Warhammer Fest, sometime next week.

I wouldn't be surprised if its more yelling about 40K, HH and Necromunda.

**xttz**

SamusDrake wrote:
I'm assuming they'll show the game line up for Warhammer Fest, sometime next week.

I wouldn't be surprised if its more yelling about 40K, HH and Necromunda.

Most likely that lineup will get posted on Monday 24th. Will be interesting to see if they list just "Horus Heresy", or a "redacted" game as well.

**stonehorse**

SamusDrake wrote:
I'm assuming they'll show the game line up for Warhammer Fest, sometime next week.

I wouldn't be surprised if its more yelling about 40K, HH and Necromunda.

Seeing as 10th edition is being hyped up, I think we'll just get more HYPE for 10th, with a few bones thrown to the other currently existing games.

Really doubt they'd suddenly reveal Epic when they are about to launch a new edition of their flagship game.

**RazorEdge**

If they official announce Epic, there will be only a Logo or a very short Teaser without any hints.

**Tsagualsa**

The rollercoast of Valrak Epic rumours continues:

It's not from my sources, purely based speculation from myself

Source: https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375281-epic-hh-rumours/?do=findComment&comment=5934139

**Alpharius**

That's...less encouraging.

**gorgon**

Sarouan wrote:
At this point, this thread should be renamed "Valrak's Epic Circus". It would be more accurate.

To be honest, there's really nothing concrete about GW announcing a real Epic return in the near future, just hopes and dust.

The lack of real information is what helps perpetuate it. It's one of those rumormonger cycles that you see across different interests and industries. The next phase is folks getting upset with the company because the thing that was never promised to happen didn't happen. Just saw this recently with some fans who got upset that an actor that was rumored to be playing a certain role...isn't. Apparently he was never up for it, but they're pissed, lol. They were so sure just because of internet rumors and the way they reinforced them with each other. You see this happening all the time everywhere anymore.

To be clear, an Epic announcement is certainly a possibility. But even if it happens, that could be a TOW-style announcement for all we know.

**Vorian**

Alpharius wrote:
That's...less encouraging.

It was earlier in the thread that Epic coming was from a good source and that being at Warhammerfest was his speculation.

**Pacific**

Well, knock me down with a feather duster and call me Judith !

Don't know whether to be annoyed or just laugh

**Voss**

Vorian wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
That's...less encouraging.

It was earlier in the thread that Epic coming was from a good source and that being at Warhammerfest was his speculation.

Seems less and less likely.
New 40k is the headline for warhammer fest, and stuff for HH and OW is already confirmed by GW in the respective articles this week.
Likely a full look at the lizard range for AoS as well, because that's Soon.

Given that GW preview shows are usually less than expected, that's a pretty full deck, plus whichever teams, warbands, etc from the skirmish games.

**RazorEdge**

Valrak on B&C:

What? I am referring to Epic being at Fest...that is my speculation, not Epic itself

They only need to show a Teaser at WH Fest and announce it official in the late Summer to get released in early Autumn. Wouldn't be the first time they tease something only with a very short glimes of a nothing saying Teaser.

There was never a rumor saying Epic getting released earlier than Autumn.

**Sacredroach**

RazorEdge wrote:
Valrak on B&C:

What? I am referring to Epic being at Fest...that is my speculation, not Epic itself

They only need to show a Teaser at WH Fest and announce it official in the late Summer to get released in early Autumn. Wouldn't be the first time they tease something only with a very short glimes of a nothing saying Teaser.

There was never a rumor saying Epic getting released earlier than Autumn.

I can completely see a final trailer at Fest...nothing but flames and the sounds of machinery, and then a voiceover states "Something EPIC is coming" and the video ends.

**SamusDrake**

Thanks again to the Warhammer: The Old World team! There’s plenty more to come from development diaries in the future – and you may just hear even more at Warhammer Fest, which kicks off on Saturday the 29th of April.

Will this leave room for Epic? The plot thickens...

**ikeulhu**

Sacredroach wrote:
I can completely see a final trailer at Fest...nothing but flames and the sounds of machinery, and then a voiceover states "Something EPIC is coming" and the video ends.

This is exactly the type of EPIC tease I expect, if we do get any at all. Expecting EPIC armies to be on display is way too much, but I could very well see the first official GW hint at new EPIC being revealed at Fest.

**Tsagualsa**

SamusDrake wrote:
Thanks again to the Warhammer: The Old World team! There’s plenty more to come from development diaries in the future – and you may just hear even more at Warhammer Fest, which kicks off on Saturday the 29th of April.

Will this leave room for Epic? The plot thickens...

I think people underestimate what GW wants Warhammer-Fest to be... it's not just a 90 minute Seminar at some third-party con or tournament, it's their main event for this half-year, and after years of forced meagre imitations online due to Corona and related problems. If there is one event where they'll pull all the stops it will be this one.

**xttz**

Sacredroach wrote:
I can completely see a final trailer at Fest...nothing but flames and the sounds of machinery, and then a voiceover states "Something EPIC is coming" and the video ends.

Yeah I think that this is the best we can expect to get for now. Probably no details or models shown until after 40k has released. A Summer/Autumn release for Epic is too close both to 40k 10e and last year's HH release to sell as much as it could.

Meanwhile Fantasy has the opposite issue - a new AOS edition is almost certainly coming next Summer, so to avoid cannibilising the same customers GW need to push TOW out sooner rather than later. After today's article TOW is likely to be first in the queue before Epic.

**RexHavoc**

Faeit has been pushing the same Epic rumours year after year. You can go to his page (not that I want to encourage traffic there) and search for epic and find the same kind of rumour report for almost every year since specialist games were removed (2012). This carried on until it bled into ATs release reviews, then it became 'AT is morphing into Epic soon'. They even deleted one such report a few years back, after it caused a bit of a stir and they did some major backtracking.

Just for some examples:
2013:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/09/epic-armegeddon-to-return-in-2014-and.html
2014:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-last-models-for-epic-suddenly-gone.html
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/02/blood-angels-vs-orks-will-be-for-epic.html
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/04/epic-launch-with-armageddon.html
2016:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2016/07/adeptus-titanicus-new-warhammer-40000.html
2021:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2021/12/updated-rumor-1109-compilation-40k.html
2022:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2022/07/rumors-epic-is-coming.html
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2022/08/epic-rumors-release-date-and-long-term.html

One day they will be right. One day, all those youtubers regurgitating faeit rumours as 'My close GW friend says...' will also be right. Epic will be back and these folk will be patting themselves on their backs for being so awesome.

Until the game is announced by GW, best to just not think about it as we would just be setting ourselves up for disappointment. I put more stock in the fact that Duncan painted epic models a few weeks ago and that new channel with the woman from W+ has the Epic gargant on display behind her.

But are GW really going to push a 'new' scale marine only game whilst 28mm HH sales are strong and with the 10th Ed of big 40k on the horizon? Doubtful.

(That all said: even if a HH only release would be the worst version of the Epic I could think of, I'd probably still buy multiple copies of any starter set to bulk out my collection. I'd not touch the a HH only ruleset though, unless it came with a voucher for a free gaming session with Andy Chambers himself. New models are grand, new GW rules go straight in the bin!

)

**tneva82**

RexHavoc wrote:

But are GW really going to push a 'new' scale marine only game whilst 28mm HH sales are strong and with the 10th Ed of big 40k on the horizon? Doubtful.

Thing is they don't have to compete with each other. Epic appeals on different mindset than 40k scale games. Just because you don't sell epic doesn't mean that money goes to 40k/hh. Rather it means it goes to non-gw.

**semajnollissor**

The reason that I believe that a new version of epic is going to happen in the near term is that GW hasn’t released any new plastics for AT or AI in 18 months.

That COULD be because they’ve been using that team’s production time to make infantry/vehicles for that scale.

Of course, it could also mean that GW had simply silently cancelled those games.

I chose to believe the former. I’m still on the fence about the likelihood of an announcement at Warhammer Fest. This close to it, I would have expected to see a few leaked photos of stuff.

**RazorEdge**

RexHavoc wrote:
But are GW really going to push a 'new' scale marine only game whilst 28mm HH sales are strong and with the 10th Ed of big 40k on the horizon? Doubtful.

Not the same audience. Also Epic & 40k existed at the same Time in the past.

We also got Rules for Skimishing in Spaceships for 40k while KT exist.

**Jadenim**

semajnollissor wrote:
The reason that I believe that a new version of epic is going to happen in the near term is that GW hasn’t released any new plastics for AT or AI in 18 months.

That COULD be because they’ve been using that team’s production time to make infantry/vehicles for that scale.

Of course, it could also mean that GW had simply silently cancelled those games.

I chose to believe the former. I’m still on the fence about the likelihood of an announcement at Warhammer Fest. This close to it, I would have expected to see a few leaked photos of stuff.

Or it could be that the specialist games team were tied up with HH2.0.

**RazorEdge**

HH has an own seperate Team within that "Specialists Design-Team" which is sitting together with the 40k and AoS Teams.

**SamusDrake**

As I put in the AT thread; the only solid information we have about the whole "Epic scale" side of GW is that the titans are due some C-Beam weapons.

My cautious hope is this; Its been a while since those FW products were announced, and we're getting towards May with Warhammer Fest at the end of April. Warhammer Fest would be a good time to announce something for Adeptus Titanicus, at least, to coincide with those FW releases. Also, in The Defence of Ryza, they did say that Renegade banners would be covered in a later supplement...

After that, its all rumours, speculation and word around the campfire.

**RazorEdge**

It also could be that those Conversion Beam Weapons will be the last AT releases unter the Name of this Game.

**SamusDrake**

RazorEdge wrote:
It also could be that those Conversion Beam Weapons will be the last AT releases unter the Name of this Game.

I usually get pulled over, dragged kicking and screaming out of my car, handcuffed and beaten with sticks by fellow Dakka members for insinuating that Adeptus Titanicus is getting the chop.

**Tsagualsa**

SamusDrake wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
It also could be that those Conversion Beam Weapons will be the last AT releases unter the Name of this Game.

I usually get pulled over, dragged kicking and screaming out of my car, handcuffed and beaten with sticks by fellow Dakka members for insinuating that Adeptus Titanicus is getting the chop.

I guess there's still one light scout titan (the Rapier) coming, which they namedropped several times, and then their planned run is finished, at least as far as Titans go. They'll have the original 3, plus two intermediary classes between them, and one supralight and one superheavy chassis on either side of the original lineup. It would be ace if they ever got around to doing the two Imperator variants as well, but that seems unlikely for now. The Rapier should be much less costly to produce, as it is probably barely bigger than a large knight.

**tauist**

I am still convinced myself that a rerelease of Epic is coming, but I am no longer certain it will be previewed at WHF (The Old World and #New40K need the spotlight for now)

Several little things point towards this IMO: GW's own phrasing inidicating that Epic is "temporarily" OOP, HH 2.0 suddenly dropping to HH 1.0 level of support (no new plastic kits coming in the near future), and then there's lil Louise going freelance with her painting videos and hinting at Epic in her first video. Even if I didn't hear about Valrak's "trusted sources" about the relaunch, all that would already sound suspicious.