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Considering that Tyranids have been slowly getting models from codex 2 or 3 editions ago that were announced and never released. I'd wager that GW will bring back removed models that are gone because their current version is only in finecast and GW are pushing that out of their system very aggressively.

It just means that he will appear in an expansion book or a later codex; annoying yes, but its no-models-no-rules which has its up and downsides as a policy (even if most of the downsides are issues created by GW on their own, often in earlier editions)

Trazyn not being in the Codex is strange, and I guess that lessens the chance of him dropping during the Black Library preview.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Trazyn not being in the Codex is strange, and I guess that lessens the chance of him dropping during the Black Library preview.

That wasn't what HMBC said. He's in the codex, but still has his old model. Which implies a new one is likely in the pipeline.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

drbored wrote:
we're feeling the result of a situation that GW created for themselves: making so many characters in finecast that need to be updated or cut.

Even with some updated and some cut, we're still waiting on Trazyn and a few other things to get updated out of Necron to make the faction 'complete' at least in the plastic model sense, and that's the case with many other codexes.

Makes me wonder what may get cut or what may get updated from future codexes. Drukhari might get updated Grotesques but end up sacrificing the Beastmaster and all his beasts. Sisters of Battle may get updated Priests, but say goodbye to Death Cult Assassins. Who knows.

I know it hits a dead horse a bit but Primaris Lieutenants and Captains and Space Marine Heroes show that GW could replace any Failcast character in any other army within half a year if they wanted to. (I also know there are even some SM chars in failcast left which is even more puzzling).

Not even named chars. To this day there has never been a plastic firstborn techmarine, and the only plastic techmarine is the primaris one with his stupid little bolter on a stick, weird grabby arm, and only grav weapon in the whol fething primaris range.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Trazyn not being in the Codex is strange, and I guess that lessens the chance of him dropping during the Black Library preview.

That wasn't what HMBC said. He's in the codex, but still has his old model. Which implies a new one is likely in the pipeline.

Yeah considering what happened with Tyranids last year it's probably just a matter of time for Trazyn. I guess they'll do another Psychic Awakening / Arks of Omen event in the latter half of 10e.

They don't have to wait to do it. They can just poof it in whenever.

Garo mentioned the Black Library preview. He could show up there alongside a new book that features him.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The fact that Trazyn didn't get a new mini and hasn't been removed from the new Codex implies to me that he has one, but he's delayed for some event or something.

New Trayzin model could show up in say a "Acquisition Brigade" box as a tie in to the new Crusade setting

Imagine a world in which, instead of getting a new Necron Lord with teleportermajig-which-isn't-a-veil-of-darkness, we got a generic Vargard model, with optional parts to make Obyron.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The fact that Trazyn didn't get a new mini and hasn't been removed from the new Codex implies to me that he has one, but he's delayed for some event or something.

New Trayzin model could show up in say a "Acquisition Brigade" box as a tie in to the new Crusade setting

Or not.

It's not like every model(even fincast) gets replaced in 1st codex that comes along.

Codex isn't "every fincast model gets new model" event. Multiple codexes can come and still have finecast. Codexes have limited # of kits they can have and necrons are neither starter box army nor complete makeover army which means # kits get is limited. Still higher than average though. But next models could just as well be with 11th codex in 2027.

tneva82 wrote:
Or not.

Ok. Thanks for the input.

tneva82 wrote:
Codexes have limited # of kits they can have

Good god you talk a lot of gak.

 Snrub wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Codexes have limited # of kits they can have

Good god you talk a lot of gak.

Lol. Maybe you should follow how GW plans these things more

Here's example of how GW has done these. Eldar jetbikes. They were done and ready to go long time before they did. But then they also made new wraithguard & wraithknights. GW COULD have released them BOTH. But instead they opted to keep jetbikes for future release and released just the wraith stuff.
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They only wanted couple SKU's for eldar in that release so ALREADY DESIGNED JETBIKES HAD TO WAIT.

That's how GW works. They don't release everything as soon as it's done. We can only guess how much they have waiting for suitable release slot. Wouldn't surprise me if they had new grave guard waiting for AOS 4th edition soulblight ready for example. Maybe 6th mega gargant. Something for marines pretty much given.

You really should follow how GW operates and not just assume GW chucks out products as soon as it's done.

tneva82 wrote:

That's how GW works. They don't release everything as soon as it's done.

Yeah it's pretty clear by now they have a couple of rules that marketing will follow:

1) Don't overload the customer with too much stuff at once. Selling customers 2-3 updated characters with their new codex is realistic, but very few people are going to drop £150+ on just 5-6 models in one go. As most sales of new releases happen in the first month, overcrowding the release schedule just means more products will undersell.

2) Every model release is planned alongside other products. It might be a codex, a campaign book, Black Library release, or subsidised by an army / battle boxed set. But they don't just release single kits at random without some kind of coordination.

Isn't getting rid of Finecast much less of a priority for GW by now? I thought the Finecast we know and love is long gone and GW switched to letting Forge World do their resin casting for the main games a few years ago? As long as they keep staff and machines around for all the Forge World stuff, they're casting resin models anyway and there's less pressure to get rid of an unwanted casting medium.

tneva82 wrote:
Lol. Maybe you should follow how GW plans these things more

Here's example of how GW has done these. Eldar jetbikes. They were done and ready to go long time before they did. But then they also made new wraithguard & wraithknights. GW COULD have released them BOTH. But instead they opted to keep jetbikes for future release and released just the wraith stuff.
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They only wanted couple SKU's for eldar in that release so ALREADY DESIGNED JETBIKES HAD TO WAIT.

That's how GW works. They don't release everything as soon as it's done. We can only guess how much they have waiting for suitable release slot. Wouldn't surprise me if they had new grave guard waiting for AOS 4th edition soulblight ready for example. Maybe 6th mega gargant. Something for marines pretty much given.

You really should follow how GW operates and not just assume GW chucks out products as soon as it's done.

Good god you talk a lot of gak.

Anyone else seeing the admech and necron preorders back in stock on the GW website?

 Olthannon wrote:
Anyone else seeing the admech and necron preorders back in stock on the GW website?

I did notice the Admech Datacards have now arrived, unannouced.
Mind you, I find trying to see the pre-orders all in one place like I could with the old website, an impossible task.

 Olthannon wrote:
Anyone else seeing the admech and necron preorders back in stock on the GW website?

I did find that odd because I am sure the Limited edition codexes went out of stock last weekend. Something naughty going on or loads of cancellations.

 Geifer wrote:
Isn't getting rid of Finecast much less of a priority for GW by now? I thought the Finecast we know and love is long gone and GW switched to letting Forge World do their resin casting for the main games a few years ago? As long as they keep staff and machines around for all the Forge World stuff, they're casting resin models anyway and there's less pressure to get rid of an unwanted casting medium.

Nah, they just dropped the Finecast designation, but it's still the same old rubbish it was since the start. And there are worlds between failcast and FW resin. Failcast is easily the worst stuff on the market (and I have a lot of resin minis from 1guy garage companies), while Forgeworld resin can sometimes be hit or miss but overall their newer stuff can compete with some of the best resin models out there.

New Valrak rumour video:
Dark Angel boxset:
Will be out in February with preorder likely in late January
Contents are Belial, 10 Terminators, 5 Deathwing Knights and the Codex

No info if there is a upgrade sprue inside but the contents are slightly cheaper than other army sets so I would say its likely

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak rumour video:
Dark Angel boxset:
Will be out in February with preorder likely in late January
Contents are Belial, 10 Terminators, 5 Deathwing Knights and the Codex

No info if there is a upgrade sprue inside but the contents are slightly cheaper than normal so I would say its likely

Only 16 models, but they are terminators. Honestly, I could think of worse choices. This could be a 750 point box set. Tempting for someone just wanting to dabble in the game and not have to carry around huge cases.

My DA army is mostly 15-year-old poorly painted Deathwing, so this box is fairly tempting. Especially given that I've kept the pushfit Leviathan terminators untouched waiting to see if DA will get a new upgrade sprue that can be kitbashed with them.

This one box might fix up all my DW in one go.

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak rumour video:
Dark Angel boxset:
Will be out in February with preorder likely in late January
Contents are Belial, 10 Terminators, 5 Deathwing Knights and the Codex

No info if there is a upgrade sprue inside but the contents are slightly cheaper than other army sets so I would say its likely

I can't imagine them releasing a DA themed box set without an upgrade sprue with Plasma Cannon etc for the Termies.

other rumors I've seen indicate a DA upgrade sprue is coming. Seeing a couple plasma based weapons on the sprue doesn't seem unreasonable.

chaos0xomega wrote:
other rumors I've seen indicate a DA upgrade sprue is coming. Seeing a couple plasma based weapons on the sprue doesn't seem unreasonable.

For sheer pettiness, I hope it doesn't include them. It was daft how badly the other Founding Legions got treated with their sprues.

It's been a wild ride of missed opportunity after missed opportunity for the basic Codex Chapters.

Go on, GW; put a plasma blaster on the upgrade sprue. Do it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
other rumors I've seen indicate a DA upgrade sprue is coming. Seeing a couple plasma based weapons on the sprue doesn't seem unreasonable.

For sheer pettiness, I hope it doesn't include them. It was daft how badly the other Founding Legions got treated with their sprues.

It's been a wild ride of missed opportunity after missed opportunity for the basic Codex Chapters.

It would be funny if the upgrade sprue contained the Plasma Blaster, making the relic terminators legal again.

 Kanluwen wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
other rumors I've seen indicate a DA upgrade sprue is coming. Seeing a couple plasma based weapons on the sprue doesn't seem unreasonable.

For sheer pettiness, I hope it doesn't include them. It was daft how badly the other Founding Legions got treated with their sprues.

It's been a wild ride of missed opportunity after missed opportunity for the basic Codex Chapters.

It's not like the DA don't have a mediocre primaris upgrade sprue. If they get a new better one, it'll be years after the first came out. And it's not just the 'codex' chapters that suffer. At least Imperial Fists snd Ultras get a power weapon / fist. Wolves and Blood Angels just get a chainsword.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
other rumors I've seen indicate a DA upgrade sprue is coming. Seeing a couple plasma based weapons on the sprue doesn't seem unreasonable.

For sheer pettiness, I hope it doesn't include them. It was daft how badly the other Founding Legions got treated with their sprues.

It's been a wild ride of missed opportunity after missed opportunity for the basic Codex Chapters.

It's not like the DA don't have a mediocre primaris upgrade sprue.

Which they got with the initial Primaris drop, alongside a unique Lieutenant for their Chapter.

If they get a new better one, it'll be years after the first came out.

Yeah, it's not like they've gotten:
-A unique Captain with a named character build as an alternate.
-A unique Lieutenant sculpt/loadout.
-Their Primarch returned
-A revamp of one of their older character figures.

And also they have a release wave coming with a unique unit and another redone character.

And it's not just the 'codex' chapters that suffer. At least Imperial Fists snd Ultras get a power weapon / fist.

Power Fists/Power Weapons are on the Assault Intercessor sprue.

Wolves and Blood Angels just get a chainsword.

...and unique Primaris units, plus upgraded characters.


It's time for the other Founding Legions to get something beyond a token character and upgrade sprue.