I'm disappointed by the lack of feral seraphon in Gnarlwood. They're mentioned in the lore and would be a cool addition as hostiles (maybe something in the vein of furies) that attack any model that gets too close
GaroRobe wrote: I'm disappointed by the lack of feral seraphon in Gnarlwood. They're mentioned in the lore and would be a cool addition as hostiles (maybe something in the vein of furies) that attack any model that gets too close
You can never really rule out the odd single box or clampack for independts at the end of the season, who knows, maybe something turns up.
zamerion wrote: Still without better pictures of that ghouls?
They probably ignore the leaks because they want to show the next warcry box in Warhammer Fest.
So I guess we have to wait until the end of the month for the full reveal.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Yeah I'm getting real board of reading about how super-instant-death-deadly the Gnarlwood is, so deadly that there's innumerable warbands running around in it >.>
Any similarity with the Ash Wastes is purely coincidental
I really like the ghouls. The faces are way better than the current ghouls. Even better than the grymwatch.
The leader is ok i guess. I don't like the skin mask...
I really don't know how i feel about the babouls... They are not bad but maybe they don't fit in with the rest... They could have created a cool creepy monster but they just added 2 savage baboons in the warband...
For the stormcast i feel like i see the same miniature 6 times....
I was hoping we'd get a savage orruk warcry band for this season, but I'm happy with the ghouls.
Ghouls and savage orruks both deserve a new range refresh. Look how nice it is to have ghouls that aren't all sharing an identical hunched over appearance.
They should have given that ghoul at the top right a saber and banner. I really like the regular ghouls, really dislike the baboons, and the Stormcast are "meh" as ever. Easy pass for me.
With the copied cloaks and other pieces (it looks like 2 torsos with different equipment to make 6 dudes) these guys give me a 2nd Ed repeated monopose vibe. I think the dramatic cape makes it too obvious they are repeating. I generally like storm cast, particularly the more recent better proportioned stuff, but I do not care for these.
BertBert wrote: I've been looking to source the beastmen warband from the beastgrave box. Are they not available separately?
The older Underworlds warbands are cycled out of production at the end of the season that followed the season they were released in so that there are only ever the current and previous seasons warbands available (although with the new shorter seasons they seem to have the current and last 2 available). There is currently no way to get them. They might reappear in some other set at some point but nothing announced yet.
Terrain is the only selling point in this box. The stormcasts are both low effort and poorly conceived. The old metal ghouls are better than these. Easy pass. I mean who is GW selling to with this box? It stands outside the theme they seem to have been setting with the 3 Chaos powers vs the grand alliances. And the mortal realms must be suffering from a shortage of good men, because now the SCE’s warband is 2/3’s female. What a pile of burning rubbish.
The older Underworlds warbands are cycled out of production at the end of the season that followed the season they were released in so that there are only ever the current and previous seasons warbands available (although with the new shorter seasons they seem to have the current and last 2 available). There is currently no way to get them. They might reappear in some other set at some point but nothing announced yet.
That's unfortunate, but thanks for letting me know!
Dread Master wrote: And the mortal realms must be suffering from a shortage of good men, because now the SCE’s warband is 2/3’s female. What a pile of burning rubbish.
Dread Master wrote: Terrain is the only selling point in this box. The stormcasts are both low effort and poorly conceived. The old metal ghouls are better than these. Easy pass. I mean who is GW selling to with this box? It stands outside the theme they seem to have been setting with the 3 Chaos powers vs the grand alliances. And the mortal realms must be suffering from a shortage of good men, because now the SCE’s warband is 2/3’s female. What a pile of burning rubbish.
Me, as i'm liking the whole box. Also nice way to out yourself.
I like the Sigmarines for giving us a chaplain and castellan in the new style.
Not sure if they ran out of budget, doubling up on three bodies to make up the warband, Warcry usually gets more plastic love than that. It's like they weren't originally meant to be in the box (or Warcry in general) and took over from the Slaanesh themed warband we're missing from the series.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Those Offal Hounds are Pumbagore levels of bad. They might be GW's worst minis in a while.
Aww, don't say that. It's just the paintjob. Give them colorful faces and rosy cheeks and they'll look the part.
Dread Master wrote: Terrain is the only selling point in this box. The stormcasts are both low effort and poorly conceived. The old metal ghouls are better than these. Easy pass. I mean who is GW selling to with this box? It stands outside the theme they seem to have been setting with the 3 Chaos powers vs the grand alliances. And the mortal realms must be suffering from a shortage of good men, because now the SCE’s warband is 2/3’s female. What a pile of burning rubbish.
The Stormcast really are low effort. Aside from the Ghouls, the whole box is just low effort recycled everything.
This box has convinced me to give in and give Warcry a go.
I love the new Ghoul sculpts - hopefully we see the unit boxes redone in this style when their tome releases later in the year.
Stormcast could be more more dynamic, certainly but I like the more interesting decoration on them. I found the a lot of OG thunder strike models rather plain.
Yes but that's one of those pointless excuses that can justify anything, you could make the same excuse if GW included a parrot on a unicycle as a gang member.
Overread wrote: Ghouls don't see the world as we see it, chances are to them Baboons are just tribal humans from another race of men.
A ghoul Missionary likely went to the Baboon tribe and has helped civilize them to join the Royal Court.
Pretty sure they said on stream that the Babouls are Ghouls that were naughty and got mutated as punishment. They're not a domesticated species of whatever.
The question of their design is more if you find it believable that degenerate people would mutate into majestic baboons.
Also, kind of silly to paint them with a light belly if they originate from people. But that's just the paintjob and an easy fix.
I'm not a fan of either warbands, but I'm pleased for FEC fans that they've finally got some new sculpts beyond just the odd hero. I do like the Seraphon terrain, I wonder if they'll make it available separately.
Dread Master wrote: And the mortal realms must be suffering from a shortage of good men, because now the SCE’s warband is 2/3’s female. What a pile of burning rubbish.
Aah, a misogynist. Welcome to my block list. Kindly escort yourself out of the hobby, or grow as a person. Thank you.
Overread wrote: Ghouls don't see the world as we see it, chances are to them Baboons are just tribal humans from another race of men.
A ghoul Missionary likely went to the Baboon tribe and has helped civilize them to join the Royal Court.
Pretty sure they said on stream that the Babouls are Ghouls that were naughty and got mutated as punishment. They're not a domesticated species of whatever.
The question of their design is more if you find it believable that degenerate people would mutate into majestic baboons.
Also, kind of silly to paint them with a light belly if they originate from people. But that's just the paintjob and an easy fix.
Yeah, they said they are ghouls that did something bad like trying to steal from the king and they got caught and thrown to pits and they are starting to de-evolve to these things and they start to believe they are hounds.
So they are humans that turned into ghouls and then turned into baboons and everyone in the FEC (including them) believes that they are hounds...
But the miniatures are just plain baboons with a few bones on them which is silly... That's why i don't like them...
Ashaar wrote: I'm not a fan of either warbands, but I'm pleased for FEC fans that they've finally got some new sculpts beyond just the odd hero. I do like the Seraphon terrain, I wonder if they'll make it available separately.
Dread Master wrote: And the mortal realms must be suffering from a shortage of good men, because now the SCE’s warband is 2/3’s female. What a pile of burning rubbish.
Aah, a misogynist. Welcome to my block list. Kindly escort yourself out of the hobby, or grow as a person. Thank you.
Please block me too. I'm deeply racist against Stormcast. They are always gentrifying starter boxes.
Well, with that fourth box, the set of terrain is apparently complete for a bit of time for the wild woods, since the roadmap now shows only more warbands going forward (and we all know the new "starter set in Summer" is that other leaked box with unrelated cemetary).
I expected more, but it's okay like this.
The miniatures are fine, these Stormcast are certainly the most fitted to what they represent - the parangon knights of mankind. It's just funny they make a whole unit of what was originally a lone hero in the army, but it's not that bothering. That's kinda what they are, in the end : an army of individual heroes fighting together.
The ghouls are okay. Their "hounds" are what I expected they would be : degenerate fellow ghouls who believe they're dogs now. They were always distorted as base design, it's not surprising they are as well here. You just have to like the concept of Flesh Eater Courts to like these, that's all.
The "common ghouls" are pretty much bland and not really that different from the Warhammer Battle old plastic ghouls. But they're fodder, so I didn't expect something outstanding here.
Sarouan wrote: Well, with that fourth box, the set of terrain is apparently complete for a bit of time for the wild woods, since the roadmap now shows only more warbands going forward (and we all know the new "starter set in Summer" is that other leaked box with unrelated cemetary).
I'm not 100% convinced on that. The other box looked a lot more like a vastly cut down version of the game, more like the Barnes and Noble boxes - I'm not sure how well it would serve as a starter box. I do wonder if it'll actually be more akin to the Kill Team one - so a cut down version of Heart of Ghur, but with full rules, instead.
It seems more in depth than a Barnes and noble set. Although those do rely on reusing existing models, they never come with terrain, much less new terrain. I think that is the starter, since it didn’t mention that there would be new teams introduced
GaroRobe wrote: It seems more in depth than a Barnes and noble set. Although those do rely on reusing existing models, they never come with terrain, much less new terrain. I think that is the starter, since it didn’t mention that there would be new teams introduced
They said it would be old miniatures in the stream iirc.
I get why they’re moving on from Chaos in the next season, what with there being loads of chaos warbands now, but I feel for Slaanesh after we got Nurgle, Tzeentch and Khorne warbands this time and then… Stormcast.
ImAGeek wrote: I get why they’re moving on from Chaos in the next season, what with there being loads of chaos warbands now, but I feel for Slaanesh after we got Nurgle, Tzeentch and Khorne warbands this time and then… Stormcast.
They just seem habitually out of ideas of what to do with Slaanesh, they always get picked last for updates and get the least stuff. Tzeentch was bad too for a long time, but that got better. That being said, there are some rumour engine pics that could well be something Slaaneshi, depending on how strict the roadmap is with the Order vs. Destruction / Order vs. Death theme hey could sneak that in somewhere. Or even do some not-yet-fallen-to-Slaanesh order people that are seriously on the brink.
Slaanesh is a bad fit for Ghur, in my personal opinion.
Most of their forces and the hangerons of those forces are concentrated in Ulgu and Hysh, searching for a way to fully break Slaanesh free.
There was a rumor sometime back that the season after Ghur would be moving to Hysh, so it might very well be that they were held back for that purpose?
Ashaar wrote: I'm not a fan of either warbands, but I'm pleased for FEC fans that they've finally got some new sculpts beyond just the odd hero. I do like the Seraphon terrain, I wonder if they'll make it available separately.
Dread Master wrote: And the mortal realms must be suffering from a shortage of good men, because now the SCE’s warband is 2/3’s female. What a pile of burning rubbish.
Aah, a misogynist. Welcome to my block list. Kindly escort yourself out of the hobby, or grow as a person. Thank you.
Please block me too. I'm deeply racist against Stormcast. They are always gentrifying starter boxes.
Damn funny! Have an exalt!
I’m grateful my eyes have been opened to my plastic misogyny! Thanks Dakka!
It does really read in the wrong way mate... I've been working with myself to not pass judgement without a body of evidence but I can understand why they reacted the way they did (even if I feel it is a bit premature).
H.B.M.C. wrote: Those Offal Hounds are Pumbagore levels of bad. They might be GW's worst minis in a while.
Yeah, I gotta strongly disagree with that one. I understand if one doesn't like the Offal Hounds conceptually, but I think the miniatures are well executed. Whereas the Razorgor is a mess of a sculpt that makes no sense and doesn't even match the artwork.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Those Offal Hounds are Pumbagore levels of bad. They might be GW's worst minis in a while.
Yeah, I gotta strongly disagree with that one. I understand if one doesn't like the Offal Hounds conceptually, but I think the miniatures are well executed. Whereas the Razorgor is a mess of a sculpt that makes no sense and doesn't even match the artwork.
Oddly, i think the models would be better received if they were 'sold' with a better concept behind them - someone mentioned Robert E. Howard / Frazetta ape-men, and somehow that makes me like them a bit more. I think it would be cool if instead the usual (and already a bit tired, because we have seen it in a lot of repetitions already) 'lul they're inzane ghouldudez who think they're hound' they'd be something else, like actual feral beasts that slowly evolve a bit of fiendish intelligence by hanging around with the Ghouls and gorging on spiritually-infused living things, or whatever. Basically meeting the ghouls halfway on the evolutionary ladder, the beasts going up and the ghouls going down. That's all personal taste of course, but i think the FEC are already on the verge of flanderization with every unit belabouring exactly the same joke.
I mean, even if you wanted to go the comically tragic / darkly funny route, you could have better concepts, like the Hounds being actual ravenous beast, scavengers etc. like Hyenas that just hang around the Ghouls to eat their filth, but the ghouls are convinced they're noble hounds.
I think the failure squarely rests on calling them hounds. It's a very real world approach that is based on dogs pretty much exclusively filling the role of domesticated hunting and war beast and the Flesheater delusion lacking in imagination by drawing so strictly on (pseudo-)historical royal or knightly courts. There's no sense that these guys live in the Mortal Realms that have for thousands of years seen all manner of creatures domesticated. I'm not entirely sure since it's been a little while since I last read a battletome, but I think the flying boyos aren't even pegasus knights but plain old horseback knights. As in, Bretonnians are more fantastic than the delusion has been made out at one point in the army's history at least.
I don't find the idea that a ghoul degenerates into a baboon like creature a particular problem. Calling it a doggo instead of, say, a Ghyran tracker ape is where it breaks down for me. Because the latter should be a thing, because magical realms. It doesn't have to be puppies all the time. That just shows a lack of imagination and, frankly, inability or unwillingness to do proper world building.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Those Offal Hounds are Pumbagore levels of bad. They might be GW's worst minis in a while.
Yeah, I gotta strongly disagree with that one. I understand if one doesn't like the Offal Hounds conceptually, but I think the miniatures are well executed. Whereas the Razorgor is a mess of a sculpt that makes no sense and doesn't even match the artwork.
Geifer wrote: I think the failure squarely rests on calling them hounds.
The name has nothing to do with it. The previous band in Underworld had bats the ghouls saw as hunting falcons. Even thought they have nothing in common.
It's really a problem of personnal perception than actual "failure" of the miniature. Some guys deciding it looks like an ape and calling it "bad" doesn't make it the truth.
I mean, even if you wanted to go the comically tragic / darkly funny route, you could have better concepts, like the Hounds being actual ravenous beast, scavengers etc. like Hyenas that just hang around the Ghouls to eat their filth, but the ghouls are convinced they're noble hounds.
Oh man, this is actually a really good idea. I might have to find some hyenas miniatures to replace the babouls.
Oh, these ghouls are bad. Boring and they seem even worst that the normal plastic kits. And SCE are as boring and kitsch as ever. By far the worst Warcry box. Easy pass
Geifer wrote: I think the failure squarely rests on calling them hounds.
The name has nothing to do with it. The previous band in Underworld had bats the ghouls saw as hunting falcons. Even thought they have nothing in common.
It's really a problem of personnal perception than actual "failure" of the miniature. Some guys deciding it looks like an ape and calling it "bad" doesn't make it the truth.
They... do look like monkeys, though (a lot of design cues from baboons and mandrills). While this set has a couple decent ghouls for a change (the ones that are upright rather than post apocalyptic mutant orks), most of the plastic ghouls are still far worse than these things.
streetsamurai wrote: Oh, these ghouls are bad. Boring and they seem even worst that the normal plastic kits. And SCE are as boring and kitsch as ever. By far the worst Warcry box. Easy pass
Amount of terrain seems to have shrunk, too. That ziggurat takes up far too much sprue space. Given that its the lizardman terrain piece with a few bits bolted on, its rather silly that its eating space here.
The ghoul miniatures are a pain to build properly with a ton of gap filling necessary, but I love their look. I don't like the more animal hind quarters of these new ghouls
NinthMusketeer wrote: Huh, ghouls look great to me. Some of that is the current plastics setting a low bar, but still.
I want to say it depends on whether you're cool with the hunchbacked reimagining Ghouls got when they got their plastic kit, but I'm not sure I'd call these new ones great even compared to the plastic regiment. They're more HD, which is good, but otherwise the majority is just more of the same. I'm not sure we needed that. I suppose the ones standing up straight and flaunting their glorious crotch manes are enough of a deviation to get excited about?
If you're one of the people who might be pleased to see them wear stuff to get closer to the delusion, you get a few models like that, but to me the bone armor parts highlight how much stuff is just thrown on instead of trying to emulate actual armor and equipment with bone and scrap metal. Which is to say, what's the point if both the naked and armored Ghouls require the same depth of delusion (or for the wargamer, the same amount of pretense/suspension of disbelief) to envision them as anything from peasant levies to noble knights? I see two gorgets, two pauldrons and two helmets. Not even an attempt to have a faux breastplate, which you could argue makes some sense in the context of the warband if you really wanted to.
I mean, this is what the reveal article has to say:
GW wrote:These gallant warriors must contend with the Royal Beastflayers. These coteries of cannibal courtiers act as gameskeepers for their vampiric kings, stalking terrible beasts – or innocent bystanders, but who’s counting – that threaten their noble kingdom. Employing grotesque Offal Hounds to track their supposed quarry, they return in glory with bloody pelts and trophies.
So, this particular group believes itself to be hunters. Not soldiers, not knights, just hunters. So I'm not insisting on a breastplate for this group in particular even though I think leather armor would be justified for hunters. But does a gorget, pauldron and helmet actually evoke the image of a hunter? How many miniatures of hunters do we have that resemble that combination of armor? The dude wearing hide is about as close as it gets to that description, if you think of it as a pelt he wears as a decoy or for camouflage on the hunt. Or even just as a trophy pelt.
The thing is, some of us were just hoping for a measure of physical representation of the delusion on the models going forward. A knight wearing a shoddy set of bone, metal, wood, stone, whatever, fashioned to resemble functional armor. Even if you have to squint. By all means keep the peasants naked with bone piercings to keep the baseline intact and old models relevant. But for knights, show that they wear armor. Have hides on your hunters. Flayed skin on nobles. Some rusty weapons, sticks, bone clubs, so when the Ghoul thinks he's hitting someone with a sword, he is at least holding some tool in his hand. Stuff like that would be nice to see. Instead we get more naked Ghouls who look like any other naked Ghoul. I just can't bring myself to consider it good model design if you can't tell three Ghouls apart, but one of them is supposed to be a peasant, the other one a knight, and the last one the court jester.
Clearly the sculptors sometimes get that idea. They applied it to the phantom of the opera and his hide hatted helper. But then they just stopped and made the other Ghouls look normal. It's one reason why I like the Babouls. You look at the models and can believe that they are hunting beasts that go with the theme of the warband. They are significantly different from a normal Ghoul, they have no equipment because they have no need for equipment and they have poses to match their role.
This is a Warcry warband not proper units. The minis were made and some fluff was dreamt up afterwards. From a design standpoint they probably want to have some distance between FEC and Greenskins who have the same thingyourecognisebutwrong bit.
JSG wrote: The minis were made and some fluff was dreamt up afterwards.
Flesheater Courts in a nutshell. It was cute while the army was entirely based on old Fantasy models, but I had hoped for more once they actually started getting AoS models. Side game or not.
I suppose it goes well with the idea that the sculptors do their own thing and fluff and rules are handled separately and after the fact. If they don't take feedback from the fluff guys, there isn't a whole lot that can be done.
Yes, the miniatures are made first then they add background / rules to it. That's indeed the GW way. That doesn't mean the sculptors don't have a general design as guide.
Flesh-eater courts' main design is to be cannibalistic monsters at the core. Adding them proper equipment make them look more civilized and less monsters than being naked / covered with bones and remains of their victims. That's why the Battle design renders that aspect well : you can't help but being disgusted by how they look and immediately think "monsters" when you see them.
Being naked and distorted also gives them a sense of pity, because at the core they're poor creatures who devolved into this mostly because of despairation. AoS just added the illusion part in their mind, but the miniatures show their real aspect.
I'm not surprised they kept going that same road with this Warcry band. It totally makes sense. Could they have chosen another way to render them ? Sure, but there are many interpretations on the market already. If you'd like weapons, you can check Bestiarum Miniatures or Artisan Guild.
Liking miniatures is always a subjective opinion, anyway. People may like or not the design, the sculpture's style or their proportions, but since it's in the end just an artistic representation of something real or not - it can't be inherently "bad", just subject to personnal interpretation. People talking about the hounds as "babouls" or "ape ghouls" is just one of them.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Huh, ghouls look great to me. Some of that is the current plastics setting a low bar, but still.
I want to say it depends on whether you're cool with the hunchbacked reimagining Ghouls got when they got their plastic kit, but I'm not sure I'd call these new ones great even compared to the plastic regiment. They're more HD, which is good, but otherwise the majority is just more of the same. I'm not sure we needed that. I suppose the ones standing up straight and flaunting their glorious crotch manes are enough of a deviation to get excited about?
If you're one of the people who might be pleased to see them wear stuff to get closer to the delusion, you get a few models like that, but to me the bone armor parts highlight how much stuff is just thrown on instead of trying to emulate actual armor and equipment with bone and scrap metal. Which is to say, what's the point if both the naked and armored Ghouls require the same depth of delusion (or for the wargamer, the same amount of pretense/suspension of disbelief) to envision them as anything from peasant levies to noble knights? I see two gorgets, two pauldrons and two helmets. Not even an attempt to have a faux breastplate, which you could argue makes some sense in the context of the warband if you really wanted to.
I mean, this is what the reveal article has to say:
GW wrote:These gallant warriors must contend with the Royal Beastflayers. These coteries of cannibal courtiers act as gameskeepers for their vampiric kings, stalking terrible beasts – or innocent bystanders, but who’s counting – that threaten their noble kingdom. Employing grotesque Offal Hounds to track their supposed quarry, they return in glory with bloody pelts and trophies.
So, this particular group believes itself to be hunters. Not soldiers, not knights, just hunters. So I'm not insisting on a breastplate for this group in particular even though I think leather armor would be justified for hunters. But does a gorget, pauldron and helmet actually evoke the image of a hunter? How many miniatures of hunters do we have that resemble that combination of armor? The dude wearing hide is about as close as it gets to that description, if you think of it as a pelt he wears as a decoy or for camouflage on the hunt. Or even just as a trophy pelt.
The thing is, some of us were just hoping for a measure of physical representation of the delusion on the models going forward. A knight wearing a shoddy set of bone, metal, wood, stone, whatever, fashioned to resemble functional armor. Even if you have to squint. By all means keep the peasants naked with bone piercings to keep the baseline intact and old models relevant. But for knights, show that they wear armor. Have hides on your hunters. Flayed skin on nobles. Some rusty weapons, sticks, bone clubs, so when the Ghoul thinks he's hitting someone with a sword, he is at least holding some tool in his hand. Stuff like that would be nice to see. Instead we get more naked Ghouls who look like any other naked Ghoul. I just can't bring myself to consider it good model design if you can't tell three Ghouls apart, but one of them is supposed to be a peasant, the other one a knight, and the last one the court jester.
Clearly the sculptors sometimes get that idea. They applied it to the phantom of the opera and his hide hatted helper. But then they just stopped and made the other Ghouls look normal. It's one reason why I like the Babouls. You look at the models and can believe that they are hunting beasts that go with the theme of the warband. They are significantly different from a normal Ghoul, they have no equipment because they have no need for equipment and they have poses to match their role.
So I do agree with you, all of that would have really pushed the bar into the 'sheer greatness' territory of miniature design GW is known for. I think the difference in our opinions is expectation; I did not expect a huge new rework, I just expected some Crypt Ghouls +1 and that's what we got. As a sidenote the lack of gear is not critical to me, as I am a big converter who will add/sculpt additional derails anyways!
At any rate thank you for the detailed explanation, it was an interesting and informative read.
Sarouan wrote: Some guys deciding it looks like an ape and calling it "bad" doesn't make it the truth.
I don't think it looks bad because it's an ape. If anything, a horrific ape-like create makes sense for the degenerative style that goes with Ghouls. I think they're bad because I think they look bad. I think they're awful, ugly sculpts that detract from the rest of the group and don't really represent what GW is capable of their plastics.
Genoside07 wrote: But will this be available longer than five minutes on preorder??
I think so, Warcry is not as popular as Kill Team and this box's content is a bit specific so I don't think they're that appealing to a lot of Warcry players.
I'll take it for the collection because I really love Warcry as a game.
No stealth increase again, neat. And as someone who just started Seraphon, I appreciate being able to get an alternative version of their terrain piece without having to buy it separately further down the line.
The Realmshaper is a new sprue - I wonder if they will rename them if it gets a separate release so that there is a Coalesced and Starborne version.
Stormcast have an interesting layout 1 mini sprue per body with lots of options - these were probably designed with something else in mind, At least the tactical rock is a separate piece.
DaveC wrote: The Realmshaper is a new sprue - I wonder if they will rename them if it gets a separate release so that there is a Coalesced and Starborne version.
Spoiler:
Stormcast have an interesting layout 1 mini sprue per body with lots of options - these were probably designed with something else in mind, At least the tactical rock is a separate piece.
If I remember the reviews/leaks from the new book correctly, there already is a separate warscroll for both Coalesced and Starborne
stahly wrote: Here is my unboxing of Nightmare Quest, inc. high-res sprue pics, all assembly options, and a size comparison of the new Flesheater Courts models.
So having read the fluff snippet, I think it is worth nothing the baboon-hound-ghouls actually used to be 'regular' ghouls... they've been transformed much like what happens to humans from the Ghurish surge.
WarCry starter was leaked a few months back. It's two Underworlds warbands(The Vampire quad-pack and Xandire's Truthseekers), plus some new graveyard scenery.
It actually was what leaked the contents of Nightmare Quest!
Kanluwen wrote: was leaked a few months back. It's two Underworlds warbands(The Vampire quad-pack and Xandire's Truthseekers), plus some new graveyard scenery.
It actually was what leaked the contents of Nightmare Quest!
BertBert wrote: This warband is incredibly well realized and those baboons are a nice thematic addition to the Kruleboyz. I might just pounce on this.
I think the leader looks really dumb, like you glued a whole trashheap on an ork without any care for a stylistic language or a natural flow of forms, and the egg-grot is also not great; the rest of the band is okay to good imho, but that leader just makes this a no for me.
BertBert wrote: This warband is incredibly well realized and those baboons are a nice thematic addition to the Kruleboyz. I might just pounce on this.
I think the leader looks really dumb, like you glued a whole trashheap on an ork without any care for a stylistic language or a natural flow of forms, and the egg-grot is also not great; the rest of the band is okay to good imho, but that leader just makes this a no for me.
What I dislike most is his left hand weapon, that needs to go and be replaced by a whip or net or something. Other than that I like the overall silhouette, but I've always been a sucker for unreasonably large shoulder attachments
I really enjoy the warband. The leader is a bit overburdened (wonder if you can leave the backpack off), but other than that it's great. The baboon/creature from Creepshow things are awesome, and I really like the regular Kruleboyz in the band.
I also appreciate that the Grot is like a little armored turtle. It looks like his roll is to grab the egg and if he gets cornered turtle up over it until reinforcements arrive.
I'm curious if this warband will be part of a box set this fall or a standalone band.
I really hated the baboons in the FEC warbard and I am looking for some hyenas to replace them.
But these apes are amazing! And the fit the warband aesthetic really well.
The only problem is the leader. It would be a nightmare to paint all that stuff he has on.
straken619 wrote: I really hated the baboons in the FEC warbard and I am looking for some hyenas to replace them.
But these apes are amazing! And the fit the warband aesthetic really well.
The only problem is the leader. It would be a nightmare to paint all that stuff he has on.
Most of the big stuff is sticking out of the basket on his back. It would be pretty easy to slice all that off and just model a couple of eggs.
Light/High elves should get a capuchin wearing the finest silks and a really big hat. Also should be the leader of the elf warband, because he looks the most pompous.
These mighty warriors are brawling over a crypt situated in Noctis, deep in Shysih, that is said to be the resting place of a legendary vampire. Sigmar himself has tasked Xandire with recovering the relics interred here lest they fall into the hands of Nagash, while the Crimson Court has orders to exterminate these trespassers. Crypt of Blood represents this battlefield with a double-sided 30” x 22” cardboard gaming board and six new pieces of terrain that make up the gloomy crypt of Noctis, including an ornate sarcophagus and a statue of the Neferata, Mortarch of Blood.
A 72-page Crypt of Blood book provides you with the complete core rules for Warcry, alongside lore for both warbands, seven battleplans designed just for this box, and information on how to continue your quest into the savage world of Warcry. Fighter and ability cards for both warbands are also included, alongside 18 dice and a Warcry token board with a range ruler and 63 tokens to help you keep track of your wounds and activations.
At the very least most of the contents will be used for Frostgrave, although I'm looking forward to giving Warcry itself a go as you lot say its pretty good.
A little light on terrain, but not really a bad starter set if they can put this out at the roughly 60 USD price point. It would be a great entry point for new players.
Chopstick wrote: Meh, not this Stormcast team, should've gone with Sons of Velmorn instead, which just sold out.
Why would they go with the Sons of Velmorn, when the Gnarlwood box is still available and hasn't seen a "Rivals of..." set release yet?
Gnarlwood has sold out in some regions, The Rival box for that Stormcast team is the one that is still available. There're so many OOP old warbands from previous WU that could be there instead.
The Phazer wrote: I wonder how cheap that will be. Do we think they can squeeze that in at £50?
Probably closer to the £65 of KillTeam starter set - but Dungeon Bowl is £55 so who knows.
I wonder why they didn't show this at the weekend - it's not like they were short of time or had too much content.
The kill team starter has a lot more in it. In this we dont have 2 full warbands of 8-10 models. We have 4 against 4 and just 5 small pieces of terrain.
For me this should have the same price of Underworlds starter... maybe a little more because of the terrain.
But definitely not the same price price as Kill team starter
Chopstick wrote: Meh, not this Stormcast team, should be Sons of Velmorn instead, which just sold out.
I would buy that box, but I guess Vampires vs. Wights isn't exactly a starter box to play the game with someone else but more an expansion for Soulblight in Warcry and AoS.
I am hoping that they offer rules for other Warbands in the future (or in this rule book). It’s not quite the same but the Bladeborn box had rules for an extra 4 warbands on top of the included 2.
Aeneades wrote: I am hoping that they offer rules for other Warbands in the future (or in this rule book). It’s not quite the same but the Bladeborn box had rules for an extra 4 warbands on top of the included 2.
Would be nice if they had the last couple seasons of Underworlds bands in there.
Come to think of it, it would be especially nice if they had the rules for the current Warhammer Underworlds Starter set in there. That way a new player could grab that box, have a new game, and enough stormcast and undead to fill out the two warbands.
I'm just dreading the sudden out-of-nowhere "And here's the new Kill-Team box with great crashed ship-in-a-jungle terrain!" release that'll pop out of no where and be gone in 6 seconds...
Big oof for two reprinted Underworlds gangs and one new sprue of terrain. And this is their ultra budget entry level box that's only very technically enough to play but isn't even near a full game.
Hard pass. For that price one can buy the AoS Warrior set for £32.50 and use the free pdfs. Just as much content, as tokens and scenery are easily whipped up from cheap and recyclable materials.
I guess because of the price of Underworlds warbands (when they sell them without cards etc) already set this at a certain price before you added terrain and board book etc.
Danny76 wrote: I guess because of the price of Underworlds warbands (when they sell them without cards etc) already set this at a certain price before you added terrain and board book etc.
As opposed to the £37.50-£40 Kill Team teams you mean?
Danny76 wrote: I guess because of the price of Underworlds warbands (when they sell them without cards etc) already set this at a certain price before you added terrain and board book etc.
As opposed to the £37.50-£40 Kill Team teams you mean?
And good point. This makes me look at that KT box with much more interest too..
Today I unbox & review the Warcry: Crypt of Blood starter set, inc. high-res shots of all the sprues. Some thoughts on assembling the terrain and its shortcomings, and an overview of what rules are missing from Start here book 🤔
Hopefully the terrain sprue turns up in another product at some point but for me it's not worth paying €76 for, I think this is the first Warcry release I've passed on.
DaveC wrote: Wasn’t expecting that for CoS Warcry but I like - mix them up with the Witchhunters as well. I assume this is 1 of the 2 new order warbands.
Something seems to be off with the Guy with spear and knife bottom left. His legs look way too short.Could he maybe a Dwarf?
DaveC wrote: Wasn’t expecting that for CoS Warcry but I like - mix them up with the Witchhunters as well. I assume this is 1 of the 2 new order warbands.
Something seems to be off with the Guy with spear and knife bottom left. His legs look way too short.Could he maybe a Dwarf?
Could be. Apparently one of the heads looks like its meant to represent an aelf so having a duardin isn't out of the question
The scenery in the new starter is completely underwhelming, especially for the price. At the very least, they could at least have printed the box bottom into a "building" like the AoS starter sets, and you could have one side of the mat be another elevation to fight across. Right now it's just an anemic couple of terrain pieces and a bunch of empty mat.
I know all we're ever going to get from modern GW is "premium" plastic terrain, but something like the Mordheim starter terrain from the "olden days" would be so much cooler, and insanely easy to do nowadays, with some few plastic corners and a bunch of thick cardboard walls.
Yeah, it's a shame the starter is at this price range. While the terrain is new, I don't find it compelling enough to buy. The content is not really usable for "real Warcry" as well - I mean, both of the warbands can't be continued by themselves so far.
Just adding more body diversity, that's all. I like to have all kinds of humans, thin, muscular, fat, athletic. That's what this new CoS range is bringing, and I welcome it.
AegisGrimm wrote: The scenery in the new starter is completely underwhelming, especially for the price. At the very least, they could at least have printed the box bottom into a "building" like the AoS starter sets, and you could have one side of the mat be another elevation to fight across. Right now it's just an anemic couple of terrain pieces and a bunch of empty mat.
I know all we're ever going to get from modern GW is "premium" plastic terrain, but something like the Mordheim starter terrain from the "olden days" would be so much cooler, and insanely easy to do nowadays, with some few plastic corners and a bunch of thick cardboard walls.
Emphasis mine. Not disagreeing with you, but cardboard is a hurdle/potential issue for GW, since it needs to be outsourced. Full plastic (albeit anemic) scenery allows for in-house production.
AegisGrimm wrote: The scenery in the new starter is completely underwhelming, especially for the price. At the very least, they could at least have printed the box bottom into a "building" like the AoS starter sets, and you could have one side of the mat be another elevation to fight across. Right now it's just an anemic couple of terrain pieces and a bunch of empty mat.
I know all we're ever going to get from modern GW is "premium" plastic terrain, but something like the Mordheim starter terrain from the "olden days" would be so much cooler, and insanely easy to do nowadays, with some few plastic corners and a bunch of thick cardboard walls.
Emphasis mine. Not disagreeing with you, but cardboard is a hurdle/potential issue for GW, since it needs to be outsourced. Full plastic (albeit anemic) scenery allows for in-house production.
There's.... there's a custom sheet of punch out tokens in this very box
Not to mention things like the terrain boards they do nowadays for 40K and AoS, many that come with plastic terrain to put on top, or the tokens and boards in the Underworlds starters, etc.
Just letting others know: This week's Warhammer+/Warhammer TV Loremasters video discussed the Gnarlwood. In addition to the warbands that have already appeared, the video mentions both a Sylvaneth and an Ogor warband. Not that it guarantees anything, but they were covered in the same segment as all the existing boxed set warbands.
Scottywan82 wrote: Just letting others know: This week's Warhammer+/Warhammer TV Loremasters video discussed the Gnarlwood. In addition to the warbands that have already appeared, the video mentions both a Sylvaneth and an Ogor warband. Not that it guarantees anything, but they were covered in the same segment as all the existing boxed set warbands.
Well the roadmap has 4 new warbands for Autumn and its Order vs Destruction so I guess it's 2 order and 2 destruction. And we know we will get Cities of Sigmar and Kruleboyz.
So the other two could very well be, Sylvaneth (for Order) and Ogors (for Destruction).
Scottywan82 wrote: Just letting others know: This week's Warhammer+/Warhammer TV Loremasters video discussed the Gnarlwood. In addition to the warbands that have already appeared, the video mentions both a Sylvaneth and an Ogor warband. Not that it guarantees anything, but they were covered in the same segment as all the existing boxed set warbands.
Well the roadmap has 4 new warbands for Autumn and its Order vs Destruction so I guess it's 2 order and 2 destruction. And we know we will get Cities of Sigmar and Kruleboyz.
So the other two could very well be, Sylvaneth (for Order) and Ogors (for Destruction).
Do we think the next set will be Cities of Sigmar and Orks, or is this still all conjecture? I've been meaning to try Warcry... And that might be the set that pulls me in.
How frequent are the releases? Seems like practically monthly, but I assume that's only because I'm not paying close attention. Maybe Sept/Oct?
They've been doing a new not-starter box every few months. They're what I reccomend as a starter at any rate; the actual starter is an unfortunate dud (especially considering GW starters usually have oretty good value).
NinthMusketeer wrote: They've been doing a new not-starter box every few months. They're what I reccomend as a starter at any rate; the actual starter is an unfortunate dud (especially considering GW starters usually have oretty good value).
There's a reason I phrased things the way that I did. Here's the roadmap for WarCry:
Spoiler:
The WarCry starter is intended to be an intro for new players, not the start of a new season. Compare that to Kill Team:
Spoiler:
KT notes it's a "NEW SEASON", which means Big Boxes.
It seems more and more that the Warbands we're going to see for WarCry are tied to the Dawnbringers books, which were supposed to see 12 factions across all four Grand Alliances get models.
NinthMusketeer wrote: They've been doing a new not-starter box every few months. They're what I reccomend as a starter at any rate; the actual starter is an unfortunate dud (especially considering GW starters usually have oretty good value).
Looking at the price of that starter, and the lack of new big boxes, I'm guessing we're seeing GW burn through the remaining designed kits and possibly ditching warcry.
I don't know why you'd release a starter for a skirmish game with two incomplete sides, not enough terrain, AND charge over $100.
Any of the bespoke warbands would be great single sprue but full warbands, and while I wouldn't love that price, at least it's a little bit of savings.
It's a shame, because this as a taster for like $60 would have been really smart. It's not like those underworlds bands are high demand.
Kanluwen wrote: Crimson Court was basically always out of stock. Demand is definitely there for them.
I can't speak to the "incomplete warbands" bit. If they have bespoke rules letting you field that warband as one, is it really incomplete?
they are apparently reasonably balanced against each other, but they're not full size. Most underworlds warbands don't quite hit the 1000 point warcry limit.
and yes, I do see that the Crimson court was selling for about $65 before this starter. So, I guess it's a good value for Underworld's players, but it's still just a frustrating starter.
The Kill team starter is cheaper, has more terrain, albeit much less interesting terrain, and two full kill teams that are also both highly sought units in 40k. Hell, I've thought about just buying 3 copies of it for 40k since I collect both armies. I still might!
For you, the fact that it's not a warband of generics kills the value.
For me? It's a legitimate starter set. The Bladeborn setup lets you add them to warbands they're tied to.
I really don't think you do. It's a crappy starter. It doesn't really let you play the game, and while you can expand the Bladorn stuff, it's gonna be expensive compared to just buying a second box of a bespoke warband.
I'm not holding GW to some unrealistic standard here. the KT starter is a full game, albeit with limited terrain. the 40k Ultimate starter lets you play a legit combat patrol game, with terrain, for $210.
Look, I mean, I'm sure it's for somebody. the value simply isn't great (two $42 warbands plus a single terrain sprue for $110, and the dice aren't even the nicer Warcry dice) but I don't like that they list it as "two full warbands" when that's true in the sense that no words have fixed meanings, but isn't true in the sense that anybody that plays Warcry would consider something "full."
I'm not saying this as a person bummed about the product for myself. I have every Warcry big box (except catacombs) and most of the warbands/monsters. I don't need a good cheap starter. But I really like Warcry, and I can't in good conscious recommend this starter to anybody new. For the money, I would suggest just grabbing a bespoke starter, or a even just a unit box and a character for something they like. Or, and I just checked this, buying Red harvest or Sundered Fate off amazon for $124.
Polonius wrote: But I really like Warcry, and I can't in good conscious recommend this starter to anybody new. For the money, I would suggest just grabbing a bespoke starter, or a even just a unit box and a character for something they like. Or, and I just checked this, buying Red harvest or Sundered Fate off amazon for $124.
Agreed. Or, alternatively, drop another $30 and grab Heart of Ghur.
I see no reason they’d be killing off the game..
We’ve just had confirmation of what 6 more factions warbands (and presumably two more to keep to a season of 8)
Also yes I see that the road maps are worded differently. But possibly just designed by different people.
I also see no reason they’d change from The definitely successful sell out season boxes..
Its more of a shame than a sign of the game on its way out. The basic rules and faction lists are still available to download and tokens are an easy first craft project for a beginner.
Edit: Not sure whats going on with the video as its linking to some online store instead, so I've deleted the link.
I can't think why GW would want to put Warcry on the way out.
It's a solid intro game for so many people and has had reliably some of the best sculpting for AoS. Heck they've only recently started adding more warbands other than Chaos.
Warcry is a solid game on its own, actually. Simple rules to learn and use, fast games yet still very tactical, clever use of different combinations of victory conditions without them being a complex math formula to determine who's winning (I'm looking at you, W40k...), doesn't take much space to play...to me, it has potential to have the aura of Mordheim in the future, in case GW stupidly decides to ruin its rules or stop supporting it.
I do agree this new starter is a disappointment. Warcry deserves better, IMHO.
Underworlds Starter wasn’t as good either was it?
Money making perspective they’re good though.
You buy (or as a perfect example, get bought as a gift). You get “half” the full Warcry game but enough to make you like it.
So then you need to either buy a full box from the seasons at a high price. Or you buy warband boxes, books, more terrain, bits. Whatever.
Heart of Ghur is no longer available in the UK. Makes sense they want some sort of starter box, especially if it looks like they're not rolling right into another season with a new starter.
Them and the Kruleboyz are both likely to be solo releases right off the bat, as there are a number of warbands coming that seem to be tied more to the Dawnbringer series.
Hunter and Hunted reveal. Gorgers are a surprise addition, they look great but the leaders T pose could be better. A versus box is an interesting new way to sell them and I guess it won't be much cheaper than a full set but at least there isn't yet more meat trees. The Mawpit is a great piece terrain. I can see this one being popular with the wider AoS player base as the contents are likely to be locked in for at least 3 months. Still the 4th warband from Order to go and probably a versus box with the Kruleboyz so the rumoured Kurnothi seems like a good call.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Love it. And the fact it's a "smaller" Vs box. I'm going to guess around the £65 mark
I hope you are right but my guess is that you are not.
I don't think they will price it the same as the starter box. Sure its missing the tokens and the dice but it has 2 full warbands instead of 2 half warbands.
I hope it's gonna be somewhere around £85 and not close to £100 because I really like it...
They're clearly no longer afraid to hedge their bets. This is a beast claw raiders box as much as it is a warcry box, and god bless GW for realizing that's why they sold so many kill team boxes season one.
For Warcry, I like this a lot. It's a great central terrain piece for warcry, that's also useful for AOS (or honestly a weird 40k/sci board), the Gorgers aren't my thing but I imagine will have a brisk secondary market, and the mordheim, I mean Cities of Sigmar huntsmen are just amazing. I'm legitimately concerned that they'll hook me into collecting htat army, and I dont' even play AOS.
Polonius wrote: For Warcry, I like this a lot. It's a great central terrain piece for warcry, that's also useful for AOS (or honestly a weird 40k/sci board), the Gorgers aren't my thing but I imagine will have a brisk secondary market, and the mordheim, I mean Cities of Sigmar huntsmen are just amazing. I'm legitimately concerned that they'll hook me into collecting htat army, and I dont' even play AOS.
100% agree. Hope we get a few more of these, honestly. Two new warbands plus a new, themed terrain piece is perfect.
Polonius wrote: For Warcry, I like this a lot. It's a great central terrain piece for warcry, that's also useful for AOS (or honestly a weird 40k/sci board), the Gorgers aren't my thing but I imagine will have a brisk secondary market, and the mordheim, I mean Cities of Sigmar huntsmen are just amazing. I'm legitimately concerned that they'll hook me into collecting htat army, and I dont' even play AOS.
100% agree. Hope we get a few more of these, honestly. Two new warbands plus a new, themed terrain piece is perfect.
I like that they called out that this is an entirely valid alternate version of the AoS faction terrain, too. Hopefully that becomes a trend.
Great box. I expect the price to be only marginally less than boxes with the full board of terrain, of course...
Loving that Gorgers come in large enough numbers to be a functional Kings of War monstrous infantry unit, too, as that's where my Gutbusters reside nowadays.
Polonius wrote: For Warcry, I like this a lot. It's a great central terrain piece for warcry, that's also useful for AOS (or honestly a weird 40k/sci board), the Gorgers aren't my thing but I imagine will have a brisk secondary market, and the mordheim, I mean Cities of Sigmar huntsmen are just amazing. I'm legitimately concerned that they'll hook me into collecting htat army, and I dont' even play AOS.
100% agree. Hope we get a few more of these, honestly. Two new warbands plus a new, themed terrain piece is perfect.
I like that they called out that this is an entirely valid alternate version of the AoS faction terrain, too. Hopefully that becomes a trend.
I love AOS terrain, which is hilarious since I don't play it, but it's GORGEOUS. I regret selling some of what I had, but I've collected all the Warcry terrain aside from Catacombs, and while I certainly don't need that many murder trees for warcry, I'm looking at a pretty neat death world table...
lord_blackfang wrote: Great box. I expect the price to be only marginally less than boxes with the full board of terrain, of course...
Loving that Gorgers come in large enough numbers to be a functional Kings of War monstrous infantry unit, too, as that's where my Gutbusters reside nowadays.
And the other gang is basically Mordheim.
10/10 box, outside the price
Yeah, I REALLY like both the warbands in this set. I'm also happy GW realized not everyone wants tons and tons of repeats of the same terrain (and this coming from someone who didn't pick up any of the Ghur boxed sets because I didn't like the full contents of any box), and just using one unique piece that can slot into whatever terrain set up you are using. I'm hoping the box will be around 120 or 130 USD because of the reduction in terrain, but with GW being GW I fear it will be closer to 160 USD. I would still probably pick it up because I like everything in the box (including the new Sarlaac Pit), but wouldn't be very happy with the price.
Well, warbands usually retail for $60, and the mawpot (which this explicitly counts as) is a $50 terrain piece. So $170 seems to be the upper bound, but GW loves doing two things: having web only "bundles" with zero discount ever, and putting highly desirable new kits in combination boxes with decent discounts, even when they would sell out instantly (see Ashes of Faith, the OG warcry starter, the Lion, etc,)
Alas, the biggest counterexample to this trend is the new warcry starter. ($84 in warbands, plus 1 sprue of terrain somehow spit out $110 when I would have guess $99 at very, very most)
I'd guess somewhere between $130-$140 for this box, but I'm resigned to pay up to $150 for it.
Sure are a lot of warbands lugging eggs around this season
I guess they will be released in a box with the orruk warband. They are both beast hunters, but one to tame them and the other to kill. Clear opposite.
Sure are a lot of warbands lugging eggs around this season
I guess they will be released in a box with the orruk warband. They are both beast hunters, but one to tame them and the other to kill. Clear opposite.
Sure are a lot of warbands lugging eggs around this season
I guess they will be released in a box with the orruk warband. They are both beast hunters, but one to tame them and the other to kill. Clear opposite.
The end of the video shows a solo box.
All Warcry warbands end up with a solo box, doesn't mean they can't get released in a duo box before.
Sure are a lot of warbands lugging eggs around this season
I guess they will be released in a box with the orruk warband. They are both beast hunters, but one to tame them and the other to kill. Clear opposite.
The end of the video shows a solo box.
All Warcry warbands end up with a solo box, doesn't mean they can't get released in a duo box before.
But yeah, wait and see.
That's weird...
I don't know if they are gonna be in a vs or a solo box but that's the last Order warband that was missing for Autumn based on the roadmap.
So now we are waiting for 1 Order, 1 Death and 2 other warbands that we don't know what they are.
Sure are a lot of warbands lugging eggs around this season
I guess they will be released in a box with the orruk warband. They are both beast hunters, but one to tame them and the other to kill. Clear opposite.
The end of the video shows a solo box.
All Warcry warbands end up with a solo box, doesn't mean they can't get released in a duo box before.
It is odd, but I’d think maybe an error and they are coming together.
“Even with their hardened armour and fyresteel weapons, they’ll have their work cut out for them trying to cultivate Kyndledroths and prevent their eggs from being poached. Stick with Warhammer Community for news on when you can pick up these taciturn Beasthunters”
This has a clickable link on Eggs from being Poached that goes to the Orruks. In the same paragraph about the when to pick up etc.
So maybe..
This is probably a stupid question, but if you miss/skip a FOMO box, and then later buy a standalone warband, where do you get their quests/narrative missions, etc?
I know Kill-Team does Compendium releases, but for example, I just bought the Ascetic Vampire guys, and have no idea where the bulk of their rules live.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: This is probably a stupid question, but if you miss/skip a FOMO box, and then later buy a standalone warband, where do you get their quests/narrative missions, etc?
I know Kill-Team does Compendium releases, but for example, I just bought the Ascetic Vampire guys, and have no idea where the bulk of their rules live.
Interestingly, this is the first warband released outside a FOMO box in a couple years, IIRC.
Warcry firmly following Underworlds into the era of the good boy this year How many recent warbands with pets is that now?
The Slayers do look great though. Really dynamic poses and a lot of character. I'm convinced a lot of the existing lines problems are due to the designers thinking square bases and ranks were still going to be a thing.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: This is probably a stupid question, but if you miss/skip a FOMO box, and then later buy a standalone warband, where do you get their quests/narrative missions, etc?
I know Kill-Team does Compendium releases, but for example, I just bought the Ascetic Vampire guys, and have no idea where the bulk of their rules live.
Predator and Prey book but it doesn't look like they've released them separately yet. Try Ebay, the Warcry FOMO boxes rarely sell well so finding cheap splits is probably easy.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: This is probably a stupid question, but if you miss/skip a FOMO box, and then later buy a standalone warband, where do you get their quests/narrative missions, etc?
I know Kill-Team does Compendium releases, but for example, I just bought the Ascetic Vampire guys, and have no idea where the bulk of their rules live.
Predator and Prey book but it doesn't look like they've released them separately yet. Try Ebay, the Warcry FOMO boxes rarely sell well so finding cheap splits is probably easy.
Anecdotal evidence? They sell out fast here and nearby cities stores etc.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: This is probably a stupid question, but if you miss/skip a FOMO box, and then later buy a standalone warband, where do you get their quests/narrative missions, etc?
I know Kill-Team does Compendium releases, but for example, I just bought the Ascetic Vampire guys, and have no idea where the bulk of their rules live.
Predator and Prey book but it doesn't look like they've released them separately yet. Try Ebay, the Warcry FOMO boxes rarely sell well so finding cheap splits is probably easy.
Anecdotal evidence? They sell out fast here and nearby cities stores etc.
Nightmare Quest took several weeks to sell out on the GW site. Element Games still has it in stock. Recent Kill Team boxes have sold out in minutes (seconds in some cases). Recent Warcry boxes have sold out in days, weeks or even months.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: This is probably a stupid question, but if you miss/skip a FOMO box, and then later buy a standalone warband, where do you get their quests/narrative missions, etc?
I know Kill-Team does Compendium releases, but for example, I just bought the Ascetic Vampire guys, and have no idea where the bulk of their rules live.
Predator and Prey book but it doesn't look like they've released them separately yet. Try Ebay, the Warcry FOMO boxes rarely sell well so finding cheap splits is probably easy.
Anecdotal evidence? They sell out fast here and nearby cities stores etc.
Nightmare Quest took several weeks to sell out on the GW site. Element Games still has it in stock. Recent Kill Team boxes have sold out in minutes (seconds in some cases). Recent Warcry boxes have sold out in days, weeks or even months.
White Dwarf 491 had some content from Might and Madness (The lastest box with stormcast vs FEC) but I'm not sure what exactly and I don't know if they have released the previous books as well like that.
There was definitely a moment where you could get Sundered Fate and Bloodhunt for well under retail on Amazon. Bloodhunt is still there for $115, which is, what, 38% off?
Red Harvest is also still available on Amazon for $125, which while the rules and gaming materials are out of edition, the terrain and warbands are still good. Pretty sure that was a $200 box when released.
Polonius wrote: There was definitely a moment where you could get Sundered Fate and Bloodhunt for well under retail on Amazon. Bloodhunt is still there for $115, which is, what, 38% off?
Red Harvest is also still available on Amazon for $125, which while the rules and gaming materials are out of edition, the terrain and warbands are still good. Pretty sure that was a $200 box when released.
Good looking out, I missed Bloodhunt and Nightmare Quest, been looking for deals on them.
Also Gallowfall or whatever the space dwarf kill team box was.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: That's neat, I like the pylon a lot. So they're splitting down from the big ass boxes to smaller and separate kits. Cool, I appreciate that.
It will probably be more expensive to buy the vs box and the terrain box instead of a big box from the previous season, but they are not forcing us to buy more terrain if we don't want to, so that's good.
Couldn't they have waited for one more before they stopped with the vs boxes? I actually want everything here and it would have been cheaper in a vs box.
Ooooo. That was unexpected but a really nice set. Thought I was done getting Warcry terrain, but this is tempting. Would pair great with the RS Engine.
Nice set overall not much verticality to it but it's more of an expansion to existing sets. Ultimately it will be more expensive to get all the individual boxes than a big box but either option will disappoint someone.
So that's the terrain box coming with the "2 bands boxes" for this next season. I'm okay with it, I was tired of building more of the same trees.
About the verticality, since it's intended to be complementary with the former terrain, it should be fine. People don't remember easily, but first edition of Warcry wasn't that much vertical as well : barely one level with the ruins and only the bell tower had 2.
I guess I will soon be able to build a "village in the meat trees". I just need to gather some ghurish ewoks to complete the picture.
I wish they'd advertise a 2023 warcry compilation book for the end of the year. With profiles to play the new units from AoS, not just boring Underworld warbands.
Sarouan wrote: So that's the terrain box coming with the "2 bands boxes" for this next season. I'm okay with it, I was tired of building more of the same trees.
About the verticality, since it's intended to be complementary with the former terrain, it should be fine. People don't remember easily, but first edition of Warcry wasn't that much vertical as well : barely one level with the ruins and only the bell tower had 2.
I guess I will soon be able to build a "village in the meat trees". I just need to gather some ghurish ewoks to complete the picture.
I wish they'd advertise a 2023 warcry compilation book for the end of the year. With profiles to play the new units from AoS, not just boring Underworld warbands.
I don't know about the random miniatures released here and there but for CoS and the new Ironjaws I expect a free pdf with rules for warcry. Like they did for the Kruleboyz.
I am not a Warcry player but I really like the Gnarlwood terrain. GW has surprised me with quite a bit of terrain I like but they certainly do not make it easy to buy.
Gallahad wrote: Too techy for my liking. The hollow walls in particular look very "poured concrete" to me.
Nice to see another meat tree.
It's a crashed space ship. I'm not sure if there's any way to avoid it looking techy.
Yeah, I understand that. I don't like crashed spaceships in my fantasy games.
I have really enjoyed the more low fantasy design of the human factions in Warcry to date and would prefer they don't take Warcry down the AOS route, but that seems to be the direction they are headed.
I have really enjoyed the more low fantasy design of the human factions in Warcry to date and would prefer they don't take Warcry down the AOS route, but that seems to be the direction they are headed.
I have really enjoyed the more low fantasy design of the human factions in Warcry to date and would prefer they don't take Warcry down the AOS route, but that seems to be the direction they are headed.
...warcry is literally set in AoS...?
Quite a few of the warbands are quite low-fantasy in style. I think because they are mostly intended to be "slaves ot darkness marauders" in style. So you get a good number of them where there's no mages, wizards, leaders or anything. They are the grunt bottom battle troops of a mega-army. Even if most warbands represent specific cultural groups and show a lot of diversity.
A lot of the terrain has also been fairly similar - blasted out wasteland and tribe stuff. Again because that's what a lot of the Chaos focus for the set was.
It's evolved and even then there were some insane ones - eg the Unmade were fairly early on and are insane torture characters.
That said its always been part of AoS and its always had the same epic magic setting in the story even if the models would work for low magic settings. Esp when you've groups like the Untamed Beasts, Spire Tyrants and Darkoath Savagers who could all be right out of something like Hyboria - ergo Conan and thus pretty low magic fantasy.
Gallahad wrote: Too techy for my liking. The hollow walls in particular look very "poured concrete" to me.
Nice to see another meat tree.
It's a crashed space ship. I'm not sure if there's any way to avoid it looking techy.
Yeah, I understand that. I don't like crashed spaceships in my fantasy games.
I have really enjoyed the more low fantasy design of the human factions in Warcry to date and would prefer they don't take Warcry down the AOS route, but that seems to be the direction they are headed.
Sure, just pretend its the ruins of a lizardmen temple city deep in the heart of lustria. Basically the same difference. The "spaceship" is an overgrown stone-like mesoamerican ziggurat/pyramid complex with stylized dinosaur detailing and magical floaty bits. All the "technology" is not visually technological in nature and can be assumed to function thanks to old one/slann magic, etc.
Good enough for Lustria, good enough for the Mortal Realms.
Maybe two weeks is their new default pre-order window?
Doesn't look that way. The marines are on a two week window, but todays previews appear to be on the typical one week schedule (if they are on two week, theres no mention of it).
Maybe two weeks is their new default pre-order window?
Doesn't look that way. The marines are on a two week window, but todays previews appear to be on the typical one week schedule (if they are on two week, theres no mention of it).
Just under the video
Just like the Space Marines, everything below will be available to pre-order for two weeks. Speaking of which, the Angels of Death are available to pre-order right now.
Apparently the 2 weeks will continue for awhile while they sort their logistics out.
A sensible move, the weeks are also releasing a lot more content than normal as well. Perhaps for GW (esp with overseas shipping to consider) its easier for them to do 2 weeks knowing most people will order in the first week. So they can ramp up production and potentially cover more of the shortfall even if the total amount of product is greater.
Maybe two weeks is their new default pre-order window?
Doesn't look that way. The marines are on a two week window, but todays previews appear to be on the typical one week schedule (if they are on two week, theres no mention of it).
Just under the video
Just like the Space Marines, everything below will be available to pre-order for two weeks. Speaking of which, the Angels of Death are available to pre-order right now.
Apparently the 2 weeks will continue for awhile while they sort their logistics out.
I read through the entire article twice, and didn't see it lol.
Thats interesting. I guess that hypothetically pushes back any chance of us seeing Legiones Imperialis or the HH Mk3 box before the end of october.
chaos0xomega wrote: Thats interesting. I guess that hypothetically pushes back any chance of us seeing Legiones Imperialis or the HH Mk3 box before the end of october.
But those are both coming sooner than we think, so we must be thinking xmas or something.
Warbands at £35 rather than the more recent £37.50, Hunter & Hunted about what I expected £10 for the terrain and book effectively, SoT set same price as prior terrain sets.
Not bad. Nice to see the warbands haven't had the usual stealth new release increase and after third parties, most of this will be decent value. Scenery is the only one that's grossly overpriced, but at least it's not direct only.
chaos0xomega wrote: I would not have expected Hunter and Hunted to be the most expensive of the previewed products. I guess they expect it to be high-demand?
Huh, why not? It's the boxed set of the quarter. Two teams, book, terrain, piddly as it is.
Is it the next quarter boxed set? I guess they reworked the concept, given that theres barely any terrain in the box (and what terrain is there looks to be more of a faction terrain piece or maybe an overglorified objective marker/narrative feature) and its not a "big format" box like previous Kill Team and WarCry releases.
In my mind it was like a $90-100 box absent the terrain as a sort of new "starter set", similar to the Deathgorge/Underworlds Starter boxes (which looks to be the same size) or just a random one-off release separate from the big quarterly box.
Personally I would have thought the Ravaged Lands terrain box to be the most expensive on order, thats a pretty hefty amount of plastic and terrain sets tend not to sell in large volumes, which usually translates to a price premium to offset cost.
I interpret this wave as a "stealth" (in GW's own mind, tho quite blatant to customers) price hike. They just went ahead and took the terrain out of the big box and made it day 1 DLC with a combined price significantly above what you paid for the same amount of stuff last time.
Frankly, I think this is just them trying to play catch up while also building up the season. They billed this as "an expansion" rather than a full bit like usual.
Yeah, it wasn't a stealth price hike to me. I mean, when you put it in those terms it sure is, but under the assumption that there was still a "big box" coming our way I just assumed that these were "bonus" releases/standalone "expansions" separate from the quarterly cycle or something.
On that note, the standalone release of the Monsta-killaz and Flameseekers also strikes me as odd - they were not released in a head-to-head box, and we haven't had a standalone one-off warcry team like this since very early on during initial launch of the game IIRC. They were clearly thematically intended to oppose one another, the monsta-killaz are about killing monsters and the flameseekers are about basically playing pokemon with Magmadroth eggs or whatever. I wonder if the previewed terrain set was originally intended for a box set featuring them?
Oh yeah by Chaos I mean purely the Slaves to Darkness - they had a whole bunch at the start so yes by all means the other Chaos armies can have Warcry sets.
Kanluwen wrote: $130 for Hunter and Hunted is less than ideal.
It's not great by any means, but I really don't think it's that bad in relation to other GW products (absurd GBP to USD conversions withstanding). You get two full warbands that are 60 USD each, so for 10 USD you get their campaign book and a (at least on Warcry boards) centerpiece sized terrain piece. I imagine the book will probably be 40 USD and the terrain 50 USD, so the savings isn't terrible. Especially compared to stuff like Crypt of Blood.
I'm definitely going to pick it up BUT I want both warbands and think the Sarlaac Pit is pretty cool. If you only want one warband, I can see it being a steep ask (though less steep than the previous season boxes if you only wanted one thing in them).
What I'm more shocked with is that terrain set being 115. Feels like it should 90 with the amount of terrain in there.
I can get hold of Sundered Fate and Crypt of Blood still here in the UK - are either of those worth it? I like at least one faction in each, but haven't played WarCry since hammering it for 6 months after it was first launched.
Rumours are that the next Kill team set is not going to be a "big box" either. If it pans out then this is probably GW's new strategy for its skirmish games. Personally I would prefer not having warbands locked into a big box alongside other stuff that I may not be interested in for six months. But I can certainly see the other side, where if you do want everything in the release it costs more.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Rumours are that the next Kill team set is not going to be a "big box" either. If it pans out then this is probably GW's new strategy for its skirmish games. Personally I would prefer not having warbands locked into a big box alongside other stuff that I may not be interested in for six months. But I can certainly see the other side, where if you do want everything in the release it costs more.
The best way would obviously be to have both at the same time. Give us a box with a discount over buying everything separately but having to buy everything and release the individual kits at the same time. This way all customers would be happy. But that's exactly the problem, it would be the customers that will be happy. GW is happy with whatever solution is more profitable. We'll have to see which one that turns out to be.
Shadow Walker wrote: Remind me please, is there a slot in the current release plan for another Destruction warband? I would love to see some crazy Gloomspite force.
Unknown for now, the next 2 are Order and Death, the final 2 announced for next Spring 2024 haven’t been disclosed.
Shadow Walker wrote: Remind me please, is there a slot in the current release plan for another Destruction warband? I would love to see some crazy Gloomspite force.
Unknown for now, the next 2 are Order and Death, the final 2 announced for next Spring 2024 haven’t been disclosed.
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