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MinMax wrote:Fain is actually a word, Hellfury, and it was used correctly. "Feign" is an altogether different word.

Fain

*sigh* Yes, I am aware that fain is a word.

You missed the point of the 'archaic perorative pedantic and pleonastic post'.

To be overly verbose and to use as much archaic Elizabethan as possible.

In other words, a joke mate. Thanks for playing.

Obviously you didn't use enough emoticons.

"You're so fain.

You want for this song to be about you."

I don't think you lose abilities when the character dies.

*kills malfred*

Nope, it seems you lost your ability to.... 'be funky'.

Hellfury wrote:*kills malfred*

Nope, it seems you lost your ability to.... 'be funky'.

Erm, sorry.

I meant the army probably wouldn't lose its abilities.

So your funk would still exist.

malfred wrote:So your funk would still exist.

Just get some hot soapy water and you'll have that cleared up in no time.

Power armor = "R0X0R N TEH B0X0R"

AGAIN!!!

Hurrr hurrr!

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Hrm.

Assuming one goes Salamanders and gets twin-linked flamers, and flamers are free, they seem to actually be... a useful alternative to plasma.

I mean, a plasma gun kills 1* marine per turn double tapped. A twin-linked flamer kills 3/4 * 1/3 = 1/4 per marine touched, so it has equivalent kill power at 4 marines touched. With a 5+ cover save, 3 marines touched gives better results to the TL flamer, 2 on a 4+ cover save. Now, the plasma gun does considerably better against terminators (outside of cover, the plasma gun kills 2/3 per round, TL flamer kills 1/8 per touch, needing 6 touches to compare; at a 4+ cover save, that changes to 4 touches) and has a range advantage, but given combat squads, the 24" shot seems less useful as the typical loadout is probably going to be a 5 man combat squad with a special and a 5 man combat squad with a heavy, removing much of a point to standing and shooting at 24" along with the heavy weapon... Of course, that 1 marine dead for the plasma gun doesn't improve on weaker targets -- that's one fire warrior, one ork, one guard. The flamer goes up to 4/9 vs T3 4+ troops, 8/9 on T3 5+ or worse, requiring barely over two touches to compare on T3 4+ and barely more than one to compare when shooting anything weaker.

Of course, the plasma gets better in comparison for cleaning up squads with less than four models left due to lack of potential touches, but hopefully you've got some bolters left in the squad to help there.

In any case, it's looking like there's going to be actual choices for the special weapon slot, at least depending on chapter used.

And that's not evening mentioning the TL melta which gets 20/27 dead marines...

Edit: Forgot the AP5 on a flamer. oops.

* 2 * 2/3 * 5/6 comes out to 10/9, but that's for one turn of shooting, the real value (with Gets Hot triggering on 1s) is on the attached image (with k being the number of rounds you fire the gun). Assuming we get to fire the plasma gun for three turns in a game, the actual value ends up as 1.002, so 1 is a pretty reasonable value...

You guys still knee-jerking over what a mail order troll said over the phone?

ColonelEllios wrote:You guys still knee-jerking over what a mail order troll said over the phone?

Oh, foresooth and verily! Anything stated by a Troll or Redshirt has to be gospel, correct?

reds8n wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Are fake ID's that make you younger even possible?

BYE

I believe they are available in Hollywood and have been for years.

Actually, when I was a young lad living in Los Angeles I obtained mine on Alvarado Blvd, across the street from McCarther Park. You know, by the huge sign that says Rampart Division. No joke.

MinMax wrote:

Hellfury wrote:

Iorek wrote:Mayhaps he did, Alpharius. Mayhaps he did.

I used that term Thursday last, and would fain use it again soon.

[archaic perorative pedantic and pleonastic post]

Aye, methinks thou uses the term fain incorrectly. Verily and properly spelled as feign.
Mayhaps thou should agnize the local vocabulary constabulary with rogation and, anon, accept the tidings of 12 lashes as thy meed. If thou dost, t'would be a palliate salve to thee.


'I used the term Thursday last, and would deign to use it again soon, methinks.'

[/archaic perorative pedantic and pleonastic post]

You may all mock me now.

Fain is actually a word, Hellfury, and it was used correctly. "Feign" is an altogether different word.

Fain

Yes. I remember the last time I FD'd in Lower Guk. The Froglok Assassin saw through it--I swear!--and killed me. And let me tell you: when I was a boy, we didn't have any fancy "Summon Corpse" spell. No sir. And good luck using "Sense Corpse" in a dungeon.

Upon seeing these rumors I know in my heart GW has gone off the deep end and I just think . Its like they make all these sweet rules which should be army specific like the new Dark Angels and their squad splitting and the Chaos Daemon Deep Strike rules which are the same as these "Drop Pod" rules. I took the new changes in the CSM book with a grain of salt but this is ridiculous. I hope in some way Tzeencth intervenes and this all becomes only rumors and the final book is much MUCH more toned down.

Upon seeing the discusion veer off to proper Elizabethen grammar I knew in my heart that dakka is full of Old English grammar nazis...

Ratbarf wrote:Upon seeing the discusion veer off to proper Elizabethen grammar I knew in my heart that dakka is full of Old English grammar nazis...

I swear on the queen's virginal baby cave, tis the ale speaking the mind for me!

Two Bucks??!?!?!?

That's it, I have decided where I want to retire.....

What, you don't have lousy cheap beer in OZ?

They do, but it's more expensive than your lousy cheap beer. Last night I was drinking the cheapest stout I could find and it was 2 euro. 2 euro!
Bastids.

Why wouldn't they lose the rule when the leader dies?
It makes sense to me.

Da Boss wrote:They do, but it's more expensive than your lousy cheap beer. Last night I was drinking the cheapest stout I could find and it was 2 euro. 2 euro!
Bastids.

Why wouldn't they lose the rule when the leader dies?
It makes sense to me.

You live in the land where they make the best Stout in the world and it is widely available. Stop complaining or those of us who have to travel a fair distance to get a locally brewed Stout will have to fly over there and whack you upside the head....and then sit down with you to have a stout.

If you're ever over here, let me know. I'll buy you some nice stout. None of your mass produced guinness malarky either. I'll get you something brewed right there, in a microbrewer. Or maybe something nice like some O'Hara's.

Then you can engage in the grand Irish tradition of slightly drunken wargaming.

Two things:

1) I would argue that the army wouldn't lose the rule when the leader dies because the rule is a reflection of the training and doctirne the leader imparts before the battle, not his direction during it.

2) Stout is always a bit more expensive than lager. OE and the other 40's are generally "Malt Liquor", which is really vile stuff. There's a brand available here in cleveland that once proudly read on the can "Now with more ingredients." Ah, college.

"Now with more ingredients"?
Oh that is brilliant!

The reason stout costs more than lager is cos lager tastes like cold urine. How do I know what cold urine tastes like you ask? Well I'm not at liberty to answer that one.

As to the army rule thing- I suppose it could depend how it's worded. I take your point, but if they didn't specifically state that the rule is kept post mortem then I think there would be an argument for it to be dropped.

Well, I didn't know if you meant your question in terms of game design theory or actualy YMDC. If it's the former, I think there's good reasons for both. For example, eldar are fearless around the avatar because he is inspiring, but if he dies they probably lose their stuff. On the other hand, Farsight trains his boys to fight orks, so even if he bites it, they'll still be ork fighters.

I really, really hope that GW has learned how to write a rule to not be ambigious.

I agree with you, and I also hope so. It's always embarassing when they don't spot this stuff.

I think the Chapter Tactics will be probably be permanent, even if the leader dies. This way, it would be like the Black Templars' Vows, which the army keeps even if the Champion dies.

Did someone mention stout???



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Oh good grief... you have all turned into a bunch of bloody orcs dat ar gunna get da ba're and da stout' an dat funnicky stuff wit da mushrooms...

Did it ever occur to anyone that the Irish are the basis for the orcs? Maybe?

Did someone mention urine???

I was just thinking (dangerous, I know...)

If the new DA and BA dexes were made with 5th Ed in mind, why would the new SM codex be so different? I mean, you have an entire codex, the DA one, that would not sell 1 copy if the rumors were true.

Not 1 book. Except, for those players that wanted to play a DW/RW army. Would YOU pay $20 for that? I wouldn't.

So, why would GW do that? It makes no sense. Even the CSM codex, and the Eldar one to an extent, is the same in design as the DA codex. Are you trying to tell me that GW would release 3 new codex books and a "minidex", which all look and work in a similar way, and then release a codex that completely destroys all their efforts?

It just makes no sense...

I'm thinking the rumors are WAAAAAYYYYYY off..........as in.......keep dreaming!

Why would they do that? Maybe cuz those that have played DA will have to switch over in order to get the better rules. In addition, people who would have bought the DA rules will instead buy the SM rules. So you'd get the same number of books sold (though SM instead of DA) and in addition you'd sell SM books to those who have bought DA books previously. Makes sense to me.

Plus, they've been releasing 10 flavors of marines which all work in a similar way for years - then release an uber-marine book. See BA in 3rd ed and spiky marines with caution stripes in 4th ed. Why stop now?