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 Albertorius wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Worth pointing out that within the UK (where GW is based), inflation is at 3.2% at the time of typing. This time last year? 10.10%.

So price rises are never welcome, but we can’t exclude GW from how the overall economic background works.

Funny you mention that... should we take that into account all the previous years where that wasn't the case, and they raised prices above inflation?

Absolutely! Either a justification is valid or it isn't; the answer shouldn't depend on whether it supports a predetermined position.

beast_gts wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Mouldmaker did no increase the prices since 2016? and its a family type of company?... So I don't see how that comparison helped defending your point?

It popped up on my FB feed, so I decided to share it as a data point. Another data point is that Warlord Games had a bigger price rise last month (and that thread got five comments):

Warlord Games wrote:Important! Upcoming Price Rise

The costs of manufacturing and materials have increased globally over the last couple of years. We have held off on such costs affecting our pricing for as long as possible, but unfortunately it's something we can no longer avoid.

As of 2nd April 2024, a price rise averaging 6%, will be rolled out across all Warlord Games products. Books and third party items will not be affected.

But neither of those companies have had yearly price increases like GW.

Yeah I agree, theres plenty of examples of companies being more sensible regarding price rises... on the other side of this theres companies like GW that, lets not forget, also do things like... less models per box, more books, fast turnaround of editions if you want to play etc etc... all during the same year and on top of the "official yearly" rise.

It's OK, and we know this is happening for many years, just let not pretend that GW is a victim of capitalism and everyone does this. They do it because its their choice to do so.

And because they can, as seemingly nothing they've done affects negatively their bottom line.

Kind reminder that GW made over 400mil as profit last year.

Sasorijap wrote:
Kind reminder that GW made over 400mil as profit last year.

And as the line must go up, that means this year they have to have a bigger one

Sasorijap wrote:
Kind reminder that GW made over 400mil as profit last year.

Kind reminder not to conflate revenue with profit.

Edit: note that £148.2 million profit isn't exactly helping, but it is nowhere near the £400 mentioned above.

Dudeface wrote:

Sasorijap wrote:
Kind reminder that GW made over 400mil as profit last year.

Kind reminder not to conflate revenue with profit.

Edit: note that £148.2 million profit isn't exactly helping, but it is nowhere near the £400 mentioned above.

But it also highlights that ~150 mil in profit on 400 in revenue is a pretty large margin.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I'm not going to go off on a tirade about how unjust this is, ther rules are terrible and thus the product is, or how we should boycott.

I do find this price rise in particular unpalatable though. I get that a PLC such as GW must keep the shareholders happy, but, yeah.... It isn't a lot, but the principle of it in the current climate, especially in the UK.

I wanted to be kept happy. Checked Robinhood, no GamesWorkshop stocks for sale...
I agree, time to save up for a 3D printer.


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 Snrub wrote:

* In Sweden and Norway, the average price change will be between 8% and 14%.

What did the Swedes and Nords(?) do to deserves such a paddling?

EVERYTHING!

Shock as large commercial company seeks to continue to make as much money as possible.

GW is no longer a small niche company looking to tempt little Timmy in with the pocket or birthday money that mum and dad gave them. GW is aiming pretty much entirely at 25 yo + with stable jobs and disposable income, capture their buying power and then start moving into franchising their IP.

If you really object to GW making money then swap to anther company or game. There are much better companies and games out there than GW. But I will let you in on a secret, those companies also want to make money and will raise their prices over time.

Literally nobody has expressed shock. Disapproval doesn't equal shock. The hot counter-take is always more tiresome than just saying nothing.

Ah, FW Legion exclusive terminators will still be below 100 euros for 5 miniatures. But maybe they won't bother and just go for more than 5%. As FW did way before, by just increasing their prices by flat 10%.

Sunno wrote:
Shock as large commercial company seeks to continue to make as much money as possible.

GW is no longer a small niche company looking to tempt little Timmy in with the pocket or birthday money that mum and dad gave them. GW is aiming pretty much entirely at 25 yo + with stable jobs and disposable income, capture their buying power and then start moving into franchising their IP.

If you really object to GW making money then swap to anther company or game. There are much better companies and games out there than GW. But I will let you in on a secret, those companies also want to make money and will raise their prices over time.

Dude read the thread XD

Let's not just believe this is a 3% rise till we see the new prices.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Let's not just believe this is a 3% rise till we see the new prices.

3%-5% was stated an was given as an average - there is 0 reason to believe it's a flat 3% as that hasn't been stated.

Price lists are already floating around, lots of items (mostly Old World) in the 8-10 % range. So yeah, the 3-5% are again (like last time) an average over the whole sortiment.

Just like when you were in school, it only takes a couple Zeros to drag the average down.

Meanwhile in Poland prices are dropping on hundreds of resin kits

https://bitsofwar.com/blog/109_launch-of-the-price-update

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Price lists are already floating around, lots of items (mostly Old World) in the 8-10 % range. So yeah, the 3-5% are again (like last time) an average over the whole sortiment.

Linky links please

Prices old and new in Euros, it's just the stuff above 5%

Yay, let's do a 10% rise on the 30year old kits we just rereleased!

Sunno wrote:
Shock as large commercial company seeks to continue to make as much money as possible

You might have gotten that was the case by reading the thread


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Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Yay, let's do a 10% rise on the 30year old kits we just rereleased!

So... how long have they had the "original" (rereleased) price?

 Albertorius wrote:

Sunno wrote:
Shock as large commercial company seeks to continue to make as much money as possible

You might have gotten that was the case by reading the thread


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Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Yay, let's do a 10% rise on the 30year old kits we just rereleased!

So... how long have they had the "original" (rereleased) price?

Preview of the Orcs and Goblins was on 14th April, so... 3 weeks?

Tyranids aren't faring too badly - Tyrannofex, Gargoyles and codex (seems they are all going up).

Between 10% and 5% on some existing kits then...

 NAVARRO wrote:
Between 10% and 5% on some existing kits then...

Again, this not a surprise and it was never stated this wouldn't happen.

Dudeface wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Between 10% and 5% on some existing kits then...

Again, this not a surprise and it was never stated this wouldn't happen.

It just was communicated in the most misleading way they could think of, as always

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Sunno wrote:
Shock as large commercial company seeks to continue to make as much money as possible

You might have gotten that was the case by reading the thread


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Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Yay, let's do a 10% rise on the 30year old kits we just rereleased!

So... how long have they had the "original" (rereleased) price?

Preview of the Orcs and Goblins was on 14th April, so... 3 weeks?

"Wow, these are selling better than we thought. We should have charged more."

As we know, only 3 things are certain in life...
Birth, Death and GW price increases.

GW has long priced me out of their Games. I still use their Paints, but even this has become diluted as I switch to other brands like Foundry and MSP. As some have already commented, it's only when you break away from GW for a few years, do you come back and have that moment and look at their prices.

I did buy into Titanicus when that was released, I'd like an second Army but I can't bring myself to pay the prices now when there are so many equal or better games systems out there which are priced better. I've gone into Warlord Games, buying x2 Bolt Action armies, Cruel Seas, Black Seas and recently Epic Waterloo. 10yrs ago I would have spent all this on GW. If you just look at a basic Sprue, Warlord will sell one with the Sprue Sales at £5 each, GW it's now more like £20 for a single plastic sprue. Both are of a similar quality.

The Legion Imperialis has gone down well at my local Club with around 8 players. 1 person has bought a rule book, everyone else has 'found' a pdf. 2 of us are using our old Epic Armageddon armies, 6 clubbed in and bought a Printer, they've all Printed their own armies. Put them next to a GW army, you wouldn't know the difference. This is the issue GW need to combat and be aware of. The Pricing on the Legion stuff is obscene. So obscene it makes no sense to buy one, when for a fraction you can buy a Printer and print your own. This option is going to become more and more as GW raise their prices, and cost and availability of printers is better.

Someone also raised their product always go out of stock so they are selling well. Or, they are not producing as much now, so people get that fear of missing out, and they sell out. Keeps warehousing costs down, also generates greater financial predictability.

After the previous price increase I told myself I'd curtail spending with GW and I was mostly successful. Aside from the TOW and HH campaign books, I've spend very little on actual GW product, but now I think I'm just done.

My distaste for GW as a company far outweighs my remaining interest in the Warhammer universes.