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Going to have to probly pass. I got christmas shopping to do this month, I can't go blowing money on kickstarter.

Hope to see how well this does.

Grot 6 - everyone's got a price!

 Lockark wrote:
Going to have to probly pass. I got christmas shopping to do this month, I can't go blowing money on kickstarter.

Hope to see how well this does.

I hope you're around to see how well it does too man!

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Good point, though I couldn't remember how much input CMoN had on those

CMoN was the creator for the KS's, so had control over the main form of communication and publication. CMoN also is creditied as publisher, so, unless they chose not to, would have had a fair amount of creative control (and if they didn't, then it was their choice not to). The rules sets were both worked on by Black Ball Games, which has (nearly?) exclusively worked on CMoN games, so presumably CMoN had input on the rules, as well. I believe manufacturing was also handled by them (with a third party), and distribution definitely was in SW's case.

So, I'd say "a lot"

At the very least, if there is another $1-5 for the beta PDF of the rules offer, I'll be in on that. I'll have to see what things look like when it goes up (and then judge how much I can bargain from my wife ). But with nearly $1500 in KS-backed minis coming in over the next few months I may just have to wait for this on principle. But if there is a nice low backing level just to kick some cash their way, I'll be going in for it just to keep track of things.

Either way, my chances of getting the main box are about 100% given any decent amount of time, but I may have to settle for the retail version (which may actually see distribution in my LGS since they seem to stock a lot of other CMoN distributed stuff). But I will definitely be keeping an eye on the KS.

CMon backed? ugh, it'll just be yet another abuse of KS as a pre-sale device.

I was happy with the first zombicide KS but Sedition Wars and Zombicide 2 didn't go over very well, big delays and poor communication. They made good on delivery but the KS experience wasn't the best. I'm not sure what happened with the projects recently but it hasn't been nearly as smooth as it was previously.

The other thing I'm not so keen on anymore is how they use KS exclusives like crazy to bolster the sales. If it's run like other CMon projects I'd really hate to see all these great sculpts end up as exclusives as it leaves people buying the games at LGS with no option for getting them and in the long run it creates bad blood with players.

I've seen plenty of people very upset that they couldn't get ahold of a particular survivor figure as they didn't even know about the KS at the time. It's so bad I don't even take the promos to game night as all I hear are complaints about them. While in theory it creates something special for the backers it's far more of a promotional tool to boost pledges and generates a very bad vibe with latecomers.

Running a KS during the holidays is really rough timing, if they do a bunch of KS exclusives I may have to pass on the game entirely. Which is a shame as the models look absolutely killer.

This in NOT CMoN backed.

This is a Prodos Games project, they will design and produce the miniatures themselves. CMoN will only be distributing them to North and South America, Prodos will handle shipping to everywhere else in the world.

We'll likely have to wait for the formal annoucement to know the full details.

However, the issues/complaints with sedition wars and zombicide 2 are due to distribution based problems so I'm not sure if CMon being the distribution arm is very good news. (especially for the people who were unhappy with how the shipping on those projects were handled).


My personal POV is a bit mixed, I was happy with them early on but not so much with their preformance on their latest projects. I think maybe they grew a bit too fast and are struggling with it.

 paulson games wrote:
We'll likely have to wait for the formal annoucement to know the full details.

However, the issues/complaints with sedition wars and zombicide 2 are due to distribution based problems so I'm not sure if CMon being the distribution arm is very good news. (especially for the people who were unhappy with how the shipping on those projects were handled).


My personal POV is a bit mixed, I was happy with them early on but not so much with their preformance on their latest projects. I think maybe they grew a bit too fast and are struggling with it.

As BDJV has said, this is not CMON backed. In the poster we state 'in association with CMON'. In association does not mean backed by.
We are 2 very seperate teams (companies) that have entred a business relationship to allow us both to get this product to the Americas pledgers in a cost effective and timely fashion.. Prodos is leading (owning) this project, doing everything in it, but CMON are helping (in association with) us with the distribution in NA and SA. Thats it.

So, it goes on ks on the 8th, hopefully see 2 days of hype from the prodos team

my life is complete. I wonder if the 17 hours is a hint that it'll start 1700 GMT?

Prodos: Can you clarify the "boxes out before Christmas" thing? Will the box be out soon or with the usual kickstarter delay of say 6-12 months before arriving at the first customers?

It would be helpfull if you posted all available info here yourself to give us an idea how well communication will work on this kickstarter.

 paulson games wrote:
We'll likely have to wait for the formal annoucement to know the full details.

However, the issues/complaints with sedition wars and zombicide 2 are due to distribution based problems so I'm not sure if CMon being the distribution arm is very good news. (especially for the people who were unhappy with how the shipping on those projects were handled).


My personal POV is a bit mixed, I was happy with them early on but not so much with their preformance on their latest projects. I think maybe they grew a bit too fast and are struggling with it.

The issue with Sedition Wars was quality not distribution. The material they chose did not translate well from the resin masters that were used to sell the game, there were also apparently issues with the game boards, and the cards needed to be replaced due to game balance problems.

Wasn't aware of distribution issues with Zombicide 2. It was planned to deliver in Sept and I got my copy end of October, which by KS standards is early.

Actually the SW material is decent. It's the printed components and rules that are woefully lacking. Make no mistake: CMoN were the ones handling that (printed components, not rules!) as well.

...Not really an issue since CMoN will just do shipping here but I do think you're giving them entirely too much credit regarding SW.

 paulson games wrote:
We'll likely have to wait for the formal annoucement to know the full details.

However, the issues/complaints with sedition wars and zombicide 2 are due to distribution based problems so I'm not sure if CMon being the distribution arm is very good news. (especially for the people who were unhappy with how the shipping on those projects were handled).


My personal POV is a bit mixed, I was happy with them early on but not so much with their preformance on their latest projects. I think maybe they grew a bit too fast and are struggling with it.

CMON will be doing only distribution of KS orders in In North and South America, we need distributor to make sure that USA backers won't have to pay any custom fees (Prodos will cover that cost)

CMON is the only, at the moment, distributor meeting out criteria for USA.We are aware about issues with distribution for sedition wars and zombicide 2 for Europe.

Manufacturing , UK/EU / Rest of the World distribution will be carried out by Prodos UK. (unless we have a significant number of backers for Asia and Oceania, then, we will try to find distributors there as well).


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 Kroothawk wrote:
Prodos: Can you clarify the "boxes out before Christmas" thing? Will the box be out soon or with the usual kickstarter delay of say 6-12 months before arriving at the first customers?

It would be helpfull if you posted all available info here yourself to give us an idea how well communication will work on this kickstarter.

KS will be run by us, CMON is only distributor for USA.

I was really really looking forward to this game with excitement as Aliens and Predator rank there at some of my all time top Sci-Fi films and backgrounds. I’ve always wanted to do an Aliens type setting game. This is some of what drove me into buying Sedition Wars and the Bug Hunt 3D Corridors from Kickstarter. Really want into this AVP game, would sink a lot of ££££ to get what I want.

Then I see ‘CMON’ involvement…………………..

I’m really sorry, but regardless of how little or what CMON are contributing (or not) towards this project, I will not back anything that puts £0.01 into their bank accounts. This is my own personal feelings after being stuffed with Poor Communications, Delays, models from Sedition Wars (I won’t go into the background). Then there’s Relic Knights and on the month they are to deliver, out of the Blue, CMON announce an 8 month delay minimum to the project. CMON have pee’d me off to the point that I will not contribute anything to them, directly or indirectly.

I realise that this game is Prodos led and all that, but I’m out. Anything that puts anything into CMON’s accounts is taboo for me. A shame really, I really wanted this.

Good to hear CMON is not running this. Please keep their involvement to a minimum, as you can see why! If they're only distributing and have NO creative, production, or timeline input then I will still consider this campaign. It sounds like this is the case, so I'm happy.

SecretSquig: As you are in the UK you won't be giving any funds to CMON as Protus will be handling the distribution themselves within the EU. Much like how Battlefoam deal with CMON deliveries in Europe.

The way I see it working with CMON is that they will be given a small sum for each copy they handle and post which is only US/SA backers. I would assume that the only reason that CMON are even mentioned is because they are big enough to insist on it for free advertising otherwise they won't go ahead.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:



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 Kroothawk wrote:
Prodos: Can you clarify the "boxes out before Christmas" thing? Will the box be out soon or with the usual kickstarter delay of say 6-12 months before arriving at the first customers?

It would be helpfull if you posted all available info here yourself to give us an idea how well communication will work on this kickstarter.

KS will be run by us, CMON is only distributor for USA.

Strange answer.

CMON is involved, I'm out. Burned by new wave, and o far he communications is too erratic to give Prodos the benefit of the doubt. I might pick it up retail later, but I'll see what you guys say about the game first.

Well, being UK based, I don't have to worry about CMoN problems, so am still in this one. What I really want to know though is the delivery dates - really was hoping to get this in time for Christmas and even pulled my backing in a couple of recently completed KS projects as a result... Guess we'll have to wait for Friday though to see what is what

Here is to hoping that the game is shipped this year.

I always wonder about the management of companies. The Christmas season is very important and accounts for a large portion of consumer spending. Having a product available for purchase during the Christmas season is all but essential. Many other industries time their releases to this schedule. Take a look at toys and movies for example. If wargame companies were smart they would do the same.

I've noticed this in a few posts and just want some clarity. I take it you can only back out of a KS before its completion date i.e. the last day of funding has ended?

Yep, you can Medium unless it is on the final day and cancelling your pledge would take it over from being a successful project to an unsuccessful one (chances of this happening are next to none for the majority of projects including this one).

 DiabolicAl wrote:
Surely the '17 hours' is a reference to Hudsons line in Aliens? If i am remembering it correctly.

"extraction", not really. I guess it could be an oblique reference to this

Ripley: How long after we're declared overdue can we expect a rescue?
Hicks: [pause] Seventeen days.
Hudson: Seventeen *days?* Hey man, I don't wanna rain on your parade, but we're not gonna last seventeen *hours!* Those things are gonna come in here just like they did before. And they're gonna come in here...
Ripley: Hudson!
Hudson: ...and they're gonna come in here AND THEY'RE GONNA GET US!
Ripley: Hudson! This little girl survived longer than that with no weapons and no training.
[to Newt]
Ripley: Right?
[Newt apes a salute]
Hudson: Why don't you put her in charge?

When is this game going to be available to buy?

I am in the same park as the others as far as CMON. to the point where CMON is synonymous with "We'll get to you when we want to, as long as we're banking several million bucks for laughs and hot air."

We've heard this sort of thing from other projects, that's why.

With what you keep typing, I don't think you are really understanding the issues that people have had with exactly what your saying.

Then when Kroothawk asked his question? What exactly is the answer here?

 judgedoug wrote:
Hudson: Why don't you put her in charge?

Given some people's feelings about CMoN, I think they just did.

... not really, but I couldn't pass that up.

Whilst I recognise that being in the UK, CMON (based on the information supplied from Prodos) will have nothing to do with my game contents, design, distribution or manufacture. However, a small percentage of my pledge money will be given to CMON as payment for their assistance in distributing the game to US backers. Based on my thoughts towards CMON, I will not directly or indirectly pay anything into their bank accounts, no matter how small. As a consumer, that company has burned its bridges with me due to its treatment of customers on such projects like Sedition Wars and Relic Knights. People who experienced this will at least carry some understanding as to how people can feel as strongly as I do.

That being said, since the announcement of CMON being involved, several other members of my games group are now in the same boat as me. This topic has been talked about at length through our clubs chat group. Whilst 2 people are definitely backing this project, 4 others and myself are out due to CMON involvement.

I’m sorry about this, really I am, because I really wanted this game. But, I have developed very negative views on CMON through my own personal experiences and like they say on Dragons Den (not expecting non UK to understand this!)……… For that reason, I’m Out!

I loath CMoN, but have a lot of respect for Prodos. Beyond being largely my Polish countrymen, they ran a good KS, and have been very measured and honest about what they could give, at what prices, etc... all while taking more customer feedback and acting on it than most companies.

I was starting to work with Mantic around the Warzone KS, and as a show of support, spent a lot of gaming budget on their products at the time. While i'm glad I did, one of my greatest gaming regrets EVER was backing out of Warzone, as I now wish i'd backed, and backed big.

I won't make that same mistake on this one, and in fact have already gotten four local players hyped, and counting down to this AvP KS. :-p

I will never back another CMON game again, but my attitude is that it would be foolish to not support something I would otherwise be interested in due to the distributor. Of course, I'm in the UK, so make of that what you will!

Greatly looking forward to seeing what this turns into.

 alanmckenzie wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Prodos: Can you clarify the "boxes out before Christmas" thing? Will the box be out soon or with the usual kickstarter delay of say 6-12 months before arriving at the first customers?

It would be helpfull if you posted all available info here yourself to give us an idea how well communication will work on this kickstarter.

KS will be run by us, CMON is only distributor for USA.

Strange answer.

Indeed. So let me put it blunt:
Will there be an AvP box available in retail before Christmas 2013?