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Ive got the warzone pdf rulebook and had a good flick throught it. Avp is based on the same system. To me it plays like a detailed platoon level game. Loads of cool rules for combat and shooting.

 Azazelx wrote:
I'd imagine that it's likely or at least very possible that they lost some money on US shipping from the previous campaign.

Excellent counterpoint and probably the most reasonable explanation. I'm not especially troubled by the shipping cost for the KS but it does create some concern regarding the retail release. Or perhaps that is the real substance of an agreement with CMON rather than the KS shipping.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
..In for the £75 for the time being..
I'm guessing this will work in a similar way to many other KS's, where the 'free' reward you get can be spent on the additional miniatures that are available?

Saw before your edit - that was pretty unfair - I was mostly talking about how the shipping was quite reasonable for those in the US and explaining why - and I was also far from the first person to notice that the box is light on models. In fact I was about a page late on that particular "bitch".

Wow.. you were fast there.. Completely misread your post, my fault mate and it wasn't a nasty post but hope you didn't take offence at it !

Wow.

This Kickstarter is on par with finding a $100.00 bill in the bottom of a pile of poo.

Your going to get it, but darned if you are going to work for it.


I would really like a A V P game, but darn.


Tooting the horn a little too much, and the prices are pretty rough.

 Cyporiean wrote:

Anyone do the math on how much tablespace this takes up?

I'm going to go with "not that much, actually"...

 Kroothawk wrote:
Just for the record:
There will be a boardgame, which in retail version might have plastic miniatures. But there will also be the tabletop game, which needs extra boxes of Aliens, Predators and Colonial Marines. So these will be urethan as well, like now the miniatures in the kickstarter box.

BTW, the Alien corridors look good. Still keeping my Battle Systems pledge though.

timd wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Yah. 13 models for 120 USD isn't tickling my wiener.

Box has 23 models...

That's current count ... without any stretch goals of the upcoming 20 days.

BTW here the kicktraq website:
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/513277403/alien-vs-predator-the-miniatures-game/

So we need to get the product to the US and pay import duty (so you don't have to), then we have to pay CMON to ship within the US. If it was only £10 for all that we would be very happy! I can assure you you can actually times that by 3.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Wow.
This Kickstarter is on par with finding a $100.00 bill in the bottom of a pile of poo.
Your going to get it, but darned if you are going to work for it.
I would really like a A V P game, but darn.
Tooting the horn a little too much, and the prices are pretty rough.

I'm going to do my usual. Sit back and let my pledge ride, than decide in the last days if I still want/need it and if the final product warrants the amount of money. At this point, for me it doesn't - but that seems to be the way many of these things go nowadays - stripped-down boardgames so that stretch goals can refill them with the rest of the components you'd actually expect...

Oi Prodos, edit the KS link into your opening post. easier to click through for everyone and twenty seconds of work for you

Also, any hints on which stretches will be paid add-ons and which will be free includes (if any)?

Since I'm late to the party, can someone update the OP so I don't have to trawl through 43 pages to get the juicy bits? Please.

 Pacific wrote:
Just because no-one has posted these yet, and they look great! Certainly in the context of how detailed they look, the price doesn't seem unreasonable.

Just want to say now that I see this "Juvenile Warrior" painted (DRONE! It's a damn DRONE! ) I take back the nitpicking of the models earlier in the thread.

Also is it possible to back this campaign if you say, wanted just to get the Alien models? Like if you weren't bothered about getting the boardgame with Marines and Predators? I know it seems a tad daft, but I'm sure I can't be the only one who wouldn't mind just getting a load of these. Especially if it starts to reach the Praetorian level...

 Azazelx wrote:
I'm going to do my usual. Sit back and let my pledge ride, than decide in the last days if I still want/need it and if the final product warrants the amount of money. At this point, for me it doesn't - but that seems to be the way many of these things go nowadays - stripped-down boardgames so that stretch goals can refill them with the rest of the components you'd actually expect...

That's worth doing if you have an EB definitely, but since there aren't any I think I'll sit this out until the value gets to a reasonable level. It's starting at a very low point, I'm somewhat doubtful it'll get to where I'd need it to be to pledge. Less pledges than expected might make them cough up more/quicker, whereas we saw what raging heroes did - more pledges made them cough up less, and definitely slower ; p

 Medium of Death wrote:
Also is it possible to back this campaign if you say, wanted just to get the Alien models? Like if you weren't bothered about getting the boardgame with Marines and Predators? I know it seems a tad daft, but I'm sure I can't be the only one who wouldn't mind just getting a load of these. Especially if it starts to reach the Praetorian level...

Pure single army bundles at reasonable value is what I want from this I think. Especially aliens hehe.

timd wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Yah. 13 models for 120 USD isn't tickling my wiener.

Box has 23 models...

T

I guess I wasn't counting the infant aliens. Whoops.

Seriously though. All CMoN is doing on this one is Distribution. That's. It.

 Bolognesus wrote:
Oi Prodos, edit the KS link into your opening post. easier to click through for everyone and twenty seconds of work for you

Also, any hints on which stretches will be paid add-ons and which will be free includes (if any)?

You wish is my command

Some and some

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Since I'm late to the party, can someone update the OP so I don't have to trawl through 43 pages to get the juicy bits? Please.

Pretty much what's on the KS page. There were some heated debates over which specific iteration of xenomorphs there were and how many toes they had, but nothing huge, I'd say.

Love what i've read of the Warzone rules, so imagining them expanded to a huge scale AVP has me pledging BIG.

The problem is... the prices are indeed ROUGH. I mean... can we get add-ons for the cheap retail plastic version of the models too... because that would be the only conceivable way to field a LOT of rank-and-file units. I'd use resin models for character/leader/etc... units but man... at this prices, my "$400" of add-ons could go quickly and still leave me with what.... 50 models? Wee?

I know most of us said "Prodos, I'll pay whatever you want". But $120 for a 23 model boxed set off kickstarter is insulting...

Was looking forward to grabbing some Warzone models and this, but if this is the path they want to go I'll support other companies.

Also, is there any info on the shipping?

Not fully funded in the first hour? Game over, man, game over!
(3,000£ missing)

 Kroothawk wrote:
Not fully funded in the first hour? Game over, man, game over!
(3,000£ missing)

there are still a ton of european backers that will come in the morning....but this KS sure is lacking

Prodos wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
Oi Prodos, edit the KS link into your opening post. easier to click through for everyone and twenty seconds of work for you

Also, any hints on which stretches will be paid add-ons and which will be free includes (if any)?

You wish is my command

Some and some

Good. On the first, that is.
Second line is a bit cryptic for my taste can we expect a decent amount of additions to the base box? No need to quantify, I understand the need for both flexibility and a little mysteriousness

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
RiTides, thanks for pointing that out. If they do any sort of gorgeous plastic board for anything resembling a reasonable price, they'll have all my monies.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
OMFG.

My wallet is scared, now.

Spoiler:

It seems you were a bit psychic here!

I actually don't mind the price of the custom D20s at all- those are some hard dice to have custom made, and are pricey even for non-custom ones in cool colors.

I'll be interested in some of the add-on aliens, possibly, but I don't think I'm going to go for the boxed game.

Does anyone know- if you're just buying add-ons, can you select the 10-pound "Anytime" pledge and add them on... or do you have to select that 10-pound pledge, then pay another 10-pounds in shipping, before you can add anything on?

In other words... do you have to pay 20 pounds / $32 for the privilege of purchasing add-ons? I hope not, as that obviously makes it hard for non-UK backers to dip their toe in for just a squad or two. Hopefully, the 10-pound pledge is 10 pounds because that covers the shipping, since otherwise it's just for a PDF I believe? Any clarification from Prodos would be greatly appreciated!

I'm not convinced that the base price is so terrible -- and I was one of the people saying I wouldn't pay Prodos any amount. We were earlier talking about $10/mini and this is actually $5 ... plus that's ignoring that we aren't just talking about minis for that price.

Four things I do not like about this...

1) Those KS prices are astronomical!!!

2) I thought this was going to be a wargame and not a board game.

3) The quality of the pieces (models and game board) are not high enough for the price. I bought the Gears Of War Boardgame for £50 and got tons of stuff in the box which is of insane quality. I still play it 18 months on. If the AVP game was like this, it would have my full backing.

4) The release date is... LATE 2014!!!

Yeah... this has ruined it for me.

I think the price of the minis themeselves are OK when you look at the prices at the bottom of the KS page (the Aliens in particular). I think i get a bit hesitant when it comes to paying for the board game. It'd be great if the did like Marine, Alien and Predator bundles of just the models.

I am finding this KS to be lacking substance and are those prices ridiculous. I wish Prodos luck with this but knowing it is releasing no matter what I am not going in with a big pledge and I am very happy I am backing battle systems.

Puscifer wrote:
Four things I do not like about this...

1) Those KS prices are astronomical!!!

2) I thought this was going to be a wargame and not a board game.

3) The quality of the pieces (models and game board) are not high enough for the price. I bought the Gears Of War Boardgame for £50 and got tons of stuff in the box which is of insane quality. I still play it 18 months on. If the AVP game was like this, it would have my full backing.

4) The release date is... LATE 2014!!!

Yeah... this has ruined it for me.

Did you pick the GOW box up at a FLGS?

Yeah I dont really have the cash to back AVP atm anyway but even if I did I think the cost is a little to high.

 Yonan wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
I'm going to do my usual. Sit back and let my pledge ride, than decide in the last days if I still want/need it and if the final product warrants the amount of money. At this point, for me it doesn't - but that seems to be the way many of these things go nowadays - stripped-down boardgames so that stretch goals can refill them with the rest of the components you'd actually expect...

That's worth doing if you have an EB definitely, but since there aren't any I think I'll sit this out until the value gets to a reasonable level. It's starting at a very low point, I'm somewhat doubtful it'll get to where I'd need it to be to pledge. Less pledges than expected might make them cough up more/quicker, whereas we saw what raging heroes did - more pledges made them cough up less, and definitely slower ; p

Yep, the only reason I went in at all right now was the potential for 100 copies of my charming little head to put onto other models!
Otherwise, I'd be right with you, waiting it out for the three weeks, based on the price for what's on offer at present...

I think the price is a little steep for the base game, but I'm banking on lots of extra goodies to get unlocked and make it a much better deal. But then, I'm sure the IP is one reason the price is high, Fox needs their cut.

I'm in cuz I always wanted real official Alien minis, and now I can finally have my precious.

Now what do I do with my suddenly sub-par Alienid army?

 Medium of Death wrote:
I think the price of the minis themeselves are OK when you look at the prices at the bottom of the KS page (the Aliens in particular). I think i get a bit hesitant when it comes to paying for the board game. It'd be great if the did like Marine, Alien and Predator bundles of just the models.

I agree... so, do you have to add on shipping to the 10-pound pledge if you just want to buy add-ons, Prodos? I don't see any instructions about this...

Still not seeing how $5/mini ... or less for extra xenomorphs or Marines (or factoring in other contents in the base box) ... is ridiculous. Ten dollars for a pred is on the pricey end until you remember how big they are (and kind of immaterial when you remember you won't need a ton of them).

Puscifer wrote:
Four things I do not like about this...

1) Those KS prices are astronomical!!!

2) I thought this was going to be a wargame and not a board game.

3) The quality of the pieces (models and game board) are not high enough for the price. I bought the Gears Of War Boardgame for £50 and got tons of stuff in the box which is of insane quality. I still play it 18 months on. If the AVP game was like this, it would have my full backing.

4) The release date is... LATE 2014!!!

Yeah... this has ruined it for me.

1> it's an hour in and if a pledger pledges at higher levels they get much more bang for their buck
2 it's both
3 the models are of a higher quality than GOW box game
4 yes for a game of the nature and withe the model quality of GOW game (I have it too) the Ks version may 2014