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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Naming a pledge level specifically to bash a rival Kickstarter is dickish enough that I'm not even gonna look at what AvP is offering.

Its a joke and a nod (hence marketing support for them)!
But sorry to offend if you didn't get it.

 Sheep wrote:
Not on the kick starter comments moloch.

But the description for the product says multipart, so we can only assume at this point the poses will be varied and customisable.

Moloch has a point on the preview pics, but I'm hoping they're able to be posed differently (and maybe Prodos will clarify that!). Here's some relevant info on their being hand cast resin and multipart, note the orange text in particular:

Prodos wrote:If successful this KS project will allows Prodos Games Ltd to produce the AvP The Hunt Begins Board Game (which will be produced in standard plastic 1 piece format for late 2014 release) in a bespoked and limited (to KS) fashion specifically for the model connoisseur and collector alike. We will utilize our Procast model making technique to make the high quality and detail multipose and official 28mm polyurethane miniatures...

Prodos wrote:Antenocitis: I will incorporate a photo of an actual mini in the next update.
Hand Cast

Meaning hand cast resin, we should get lots of reviews of their quality from Warzone backers before this one is over!

Also, I dug this quote up from earlier in the thread since it seems to mirror how they are progressing through the Alien portion of the stretch goals, at least so far! Warrior is at 100K, so I'm guessing Stalker might be the next Alien stretch goal after that (of course there could be a marine one in between, etc).

Prodos wrote:To be more specific we WILL have at leas one model from following sources:

Alien from Alien - Infant Warrior
Alien from Aliens - Warrior
Alien from Aliens 3- Stalker (in fact ,concept based on Alien vs Predator Arcade Game 1994)

More concept taken from:
Alien vs Predator: Requiem
Aliens: Colonial Marines ;]
Alien vs Predator 1 and 2 Video Game 1999 and 2001
Predators Movie !!!!
Alien vs Predator Arcade Game

If it's helpful I might make a consolidated post of relevant info quotes later, hopefully this suffices to fill in some information gaps for now

I like not-apone. but skipping add-ons for now holding out for an APC or 12, a gaggle of dropships and some queens.

 spaceelf wrote:

 Moloch wrote:
Am I really the first one to say it ?

in this day and age the infant alien and the runner sculpts do not seem to have enough variety. There seem to be some differences between the models, but if all 10 infant Aliens included in the box have the same tail pose that´d look rather stupid.

The good news is that they are using resin. With some hot water the tails can be warped to slightly different poses. It will not be a totally different curve, but they will not look like copies of one another.

A very good point.

I didn't think of that, good idea spaceelf / Ouze! Although, hopefully folks with Warzone models can comment on the posability of arms and such- if it's ball and socket joints and the arms can get positioned any way you like, or if they only fit well in one orientation, etc. Hoping for the former, of course




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Also Prodos, your link in the OP of this thread goes to a random point in the comments from last night, rather than the main page. This is the link that should be in the OP:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/alien-vs-predator-the-miniatures-game

 Ouze wrote:

 spaceelf wrote:

 Moloch wrote:
Am I really the first one to say it ?

in this day and age the infant alien and the runner sculpts do not seem to have enough variety. There seem to be some differences between the models, but if all 10 infant Aliens included in the box have the same tail pose that´d look rather stupid.

The good news is that they are using resin. With some hot water the tails can be warped to slightly different poses. It will not be a totally different curve, but they will not look like copies of one another.

A very good point.

yeah, if its polyurethane you'd be able to move more than the tails.. depending how 'brave' you are.

personally, i wouldnt regard it as 'difficult' bymmv.

having said that, different poses would be nice... plenty of time for that though.

Looks alright to me, not cheap as chips but it is Aliens I guess and it will seem much better after the unlocked stuff is added I hope.
I will be waiting until retail as I already have a couple of kickstarter stuff yet to turn up, and christmas is coming, its not the best time for me, plus I like to order a little and check the quality myself, before spending a lot of money on minis.
My only criticism is the same pose on all those aliens, I dont think it will look as good as I first thought, still only a minor gripe.

 Rayvon wrote:
Looks alright to me, not cheap as chips but it is Aliens I guess and it will seem much better after the unlocked stuff is added I hope.
I will be waiting until retail as I already have a couple of kickstarter stuff yet to turn up, and christmas is coming, its not the best time for me, plus I like to order a little and check the quality myself, before spending a lot of money on minis.
My only criticism is the same pose on all those aliens, I dont think it will look as good as I first thought, still only a minor gripe.

As already stated these are multipart and multi pose models. AND like other resins it can be reshaped in hot water then fixed in cold!

 Souleater wrote:

Aeneades wrote:


Those free face huggers seem to be a last minute damage control addition.

the KS has been running for less than a day.

How is a stretch goal with free miniatures, "damage control"? It's already like double-funded.

Will we also be seeing previews of the gameplay, or seeing how the game will work?

 BrookM wrote:
Will we also be seeing previews of the gameplay, or seeing how the game will work?

Yes shortly

Prodos wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Will we also be seeing previews of the gameplay, or seeing how the game will work?

Yes shortly

Most excellent!

 BrookM wrote:
I do hope they fix the broken font. That said, I'll jump in at 75 GBP, but we'll see what happens. No fem-marines, no money from me.

I thought Vasquez would be in. I'm hoping there are going to be head/arm/weapon variants in the add-on marines set but who knows.

 CptJake wrote:
What, in an unpainted resin sculpt of a 28mm face ,would make it a Latina?

Especially since Vasquez is actually Jenette Goldstein with a tan. Maybe her eyebrows? They're pretty distinctive.



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 paulson games wrote:
The Indigogo page is using renders from the promotional images from the AVP video game. All of the "product shots" are from the Hot Toys and Sideshow collectables range, which are rather expensive pieces,

LOL and their shot of the Newborn is one of the original foam rubber unused-for-filming prototypes - and it's all busted up! Will my Newborn miniature also be the one not in the movie and also have cracks and tears!

 judgedoug wrote:

 Souleater wrote:

Aeneades wrote:


Those free face huggers seem to be a last minute damage control addition.

the KS has been running for less than a day.

How is a stretch goal with free miniatures, "damage control"? It's already like double-funded.

A significant number of people in the kickstarter comments section were talking about backing out of the project unless a free stretch goal was announced. Protus then added an extra stretch goal in between previously announced paid stretch goals to appease them.

I'm not going to back this one, but I am excited to get it when they release it in stores.

I'll be all over that one.


Your kickstarter is a little off putting, but your making money so good luck on it.


Kickstarter,


Any way to just buy a game and call it a day? I just want one. Nothing else.

Prodos- could you comment on posability of limbs... i.e., are the arms on sockets such that buying multiple PredAliens, all their arms wouldn't have to be pointed the same way? Just curious

Also, I forgot to highlight this part of the last update:

KS Update wrote:Note the main game cost drops by upto 66% of original as the pledge amount increases

So, it does seem that they're planning to improve the main box's value... doesn't affect me so much as I'm probably going to put all my funds into sweet add-ons, but still good to know

Prices here are definitely Infinity-like, but hopefully the quality will be, too! Would love to see some links to more reviews of Warzone models as people receive them (or if they have already).

So, tumbled out of bed, checked my emails, and it seems time to get my complain on...

First, seriously? The starting stretch goal is both the only female Predator and a paid add-on? And she's 10 GBP for one (1)? Awesome.


Second, the price disconnect between the Predators and everything else is just galling. In the picture below we seems (based on the renders) to have a Predator (30 GBP for 3) versus an Infant Warrior (15 GBP for 5). In other words, the figure on the left is a 10 GBP figure, the one on the right is a 3 GBP figure. Would you really look at that and think that one of those was more then three times as expensive as the other, really now? Uch.




Third, so, from the new Stretch Goal list, are we to interpret that the original items (in Blue font) are all paid add-ons? Note that the "Free Facehuggers" are in addition and in a different font. Again, Awesome.


By the way, yes, I recognize the Colonial Marines Sergeant is crazy expensive, but since I don't care about him someone else can grouse about it.

I'm guessing generally you won't be using a lot of models? But yeah, the price per model is high (on the PredAlien, too, which is the same as the Predators).

Here's the text on the wargame, I'd be curious about the cards that are mentioned in particular... will these be for printing out with the rules PDF, or will they be a goal for later in the campaign, etc? I don't think they'd be in the box game so they've got to come from somewhere!

KS text wrote:5. How does the AvP Wargame work?

- 2+ players - D20 based on the Prodos Wargame System

- Alternative Squad Activation (you go I go etc.)

- Create your own special characters etc.

- Army construction – each model has its own points value dependent on the Model type and experience level! (levels from 1 to 5)

- Narrative games allow characters and models to gain ‘Experience’ to level-up

- 50 Missions cards (at three levels)

- Tactical Cards for each factions (120 in total).

- Scalability (1 to 100s of models per side) so you can play for example 1 Predator against a Platoon of Colonial Marines or a whole Battalion of Marines vs a Hive of Aliens)

- Longevity – New Alien, Predator and Marine types with special rules, mission and tactical cards will be introduced over the coming months and years.

 RiTides wrote:
Prodos- could you comment on posability of limbs... i.e., are the arms on sockets such that buying multiple PredAliens, all their arms wouldn't have to be pointed the same way? Just curious

Also, I forgot to highlight this part of the last update:

KS Update wrote:Note the main game cost drops by upto 66% of original as the pledge amount increases

So, it does seem that they're planning to improve the main box's value... doesn't affect me so much as I'm probably going to put all my funds into sweet add-ons, but still good to know

Prices here are definitely Infinity-like, but hopefully the quality will be, too! Would love to see some links to more reviews of Warzone models as people receive them (or if they have already).

I think you are misreading what is meant in that last bit: my interpretation is that as your pledge level increases, the value of the box compared to what you are getting free gets smaller (i.e., you get more stuff as you increase what you pay). Note the "Add-ons Value included" column, that seems to be what they are referring to. Although there is a series of "coming soon" items of unknowable value.

 RiTides wrote:

KS Update wrote:Note the main game cost drops by upto 66% of original as the pledge amount increases

So, it does seem that they're planning to improve the main box's value... doesn't affect me so much as I'm probably going to put all my funds into sweet add-ons, but still good to know

I believe that quote is in reference to the pledges an individual makes as they list the starter "price" per pledge and it goes down the more you individually pledge. Either way, I'm glad to see that they're adding some sort of freebies in response to feedback even if they are the smallest aliens possible.

Whoops, you might be right . Just here for the add-ons, so no worries on my end! I just bought into Infinity so I'm used to these prices as long as the quality is there (they're going to show an actual model in the next update, per Prodos).

Y'know, I tossed Blackwater Gulch $5 for a pair of specialty dice, and considered that a fine experience.

Gonna have to ponder whether or not 3 custome D20's and getting my name in the book is worth $25. I guess I get the rules pdf as well, but I highly doubt my crew will be playing this.

We've already got a hundred other mini and boardgames to play. Hell, if I really really want to get my "not-aliens" on against "not-colonial marines" we can always break out Space Hulk.

Even if I justified buying a set simply to paint and display, it'd be an unnecessary expense, and with Shadows of Brimstone calling my crew (and I'm splitting a tier with a buddy), a warboards campaign starting that I might get in on, and the holidays looming, I should probably reign my KS addiction in before things get out of hand.

Okay, confession time guys...

I actually haven't seen most of these movies... I can't remember why, I think maybe I wasn't allowed to as a child, and because I wasn't into the franchise missed the later ones?

I did go see Prometheus in the theater, and just for reference, that's about the limit of my "scare tolerance" . I also saw one where I believe they were underground in the arctic or the like for most of the movie, and clips of others...

So, with that said, what is your recommended viewing order for me to catch up on this?

And even more importantly, what is the terrible one (ones?) that people seem to want to blot from their memories, that I will probably skip?

Cheers

whilst im not really intrested in the game (to pricey/to close to christmass) i want a set of each dice. Will there be a level where i can do this as im not intrested in paying £10 for a ruleset i don't want.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

Second, the price disconnect between the Predators and everything else is just galling. In the picture below we seems (based on the renders) to have a Predator (30 GBP for 3) versus an Infant Warrior (15 GBP for 5). In other words, the figure on the left is a 10 GBP figure, the one on the right is a 3 GBP figure. Would you really look at that and think that one of those was more then three times as expensive as the other, really now? Uch.

.

frankly? as a professional resin-caster? Seriously? Honestly?

Yes.

See that ultra-fine threads of mesh over the predators skin...? Very difficult to cast a lot of those without flaws and detail pulling-off in moulds (either the resin detail, or taking a chunk of the mould with it)

See the aliens smooth-surfaced limbs...? Easy on moulds, far more per-mould from those than the surfaces on the predator.

Don't fall into the common mistake that the VOLUME of the resin is the main cost factor - it isnt. Its all about mould longevity, ease of casting, failure rates and the number of parts.

So, yes. I can look at those two exact models and without needing to know anything more about them could definitively say that the Predator will cost more to produce...Does it precisely explain the price differential....

OK lets think a little more on costs...... will the number of Predators in a game be likely to equal the number of (either) Aliens or Marines...?

No.

In fact its almost certain that the number of Predators required in any game will be FAR less than Marines or Aliens. Far less.

So Prodos will sell less. .. so they need to recover their expenses over fewer sales.... and we already know the moulds will produce less.. so each figure will cost them more... . so now, just looking at the first two issue that popped into my head, we've discovered that, again, the answer to your question is "yes, really!"

 RiTides wrote:
Okay, confession time guys...

I actually haven't seen most of these movies... I can't remember why, I think maybe I wasn't allowed to as a child, and because I wasn't into the franchise missed the later ones?

I did go see Prometheus in the theater, and just for reference, that's about the limit of my "scare tolerance" . I also saw one where I believe they were underground in the arctic or the like for most of the movie, and clips of others...

So, with that said, what is your recommended viewing order for me to catch up on this?

And even more importantly, what is the terrible one (ones?) that people seem to want to blot from their memories, that I will probably skip?

Cheers

Alien, Aliens, Predator, Predator 2, and Predators.

You can skip AVP, AVP Requiem, Alien3 and Alien 4.

Also, I suggest you find the AVP comic omnibus somewhere.

 RiTides wrote:
Okay, confession time guys...

I actually haven't seen most of these movies... I can't remember why, I think maybe I wasn't allowed to as a child, and because I wasn't into the franchise missed the later ones?

I did go see Prometheus in the theater, and just for reference, that's about the limit of my "scare tolerance" . I also saw one where I believe they were underground in the arctic or the like for most of the movie, and clips of others...

So, with that said, what is your recommended viewing order for me to catch up on this?

And even more importantly, what is the terrible one (ones?) that people seem to want to blot from their memories, that I will probably skip?

Cheers

From memory it would run, chronologically
Predator
Predator 2
AvP 1
AvP 2
Predators
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien Resurrection

You can safely cut the AvP movies and last, possibly last two, Alien movies, although some may argue against that. If Prometheus pushed your scare buttons, then Aliens and Alien are probably off the table, but are probably two of the strongest from the lineup, and don't need nostalgia support to stand on their own merit. (But are very different, Alien is a tense, suspenseful horror, Aliens is an out and out action movie)

 RiTides wrote:
Okay, confession time guys...

I actually haven't seen most of these movies... I can't remember why, I think maybe I wasn't allowed to as a child, and because I wasn't into the franchise missed the later ones?

I did go see Prometheus in the theater, and just for reference, that's about the limit of my "scare tolerance" . I also saw one where I believe they were underground in the arctic or the like for most of the movie, and clips of others...

So, with that said, what is your recommended viewing order for me to catch up on this?

And even more importantly, what is the terrible one (ones?) that people seem to want to blot from their memories, that I will probably skip?

Cheers

The commonly agreed upon "good movies" are Alien (Singular), Aliens (Plural sequel), and Predator. They're all from the late 70's to mid 80's so the effects will be a bit dated but they're great movies. If you expand beyond those 6 hours, you'll run into the movies that are OK overall but just don't live up to the originals beyond a few choice cool scenes (like swimming aliens and predator first aid). The only other thing I'd suggest is to watch the last 10 minutes of Predator 2 to see the inspiration for AVP as you see an alien skull on a Predator's trophy rack in his space ship. That scene set the stage for all this.

RiTides, watch them all in our chronology and suffer through them like the rest of us